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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Need some opinions...
« on: June 24, 2009, 07:05:24 PM »
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/1236398140.html

I found this turbo kit for sale and was wondering if anyone on here might have some experience with this kind of set up for a jetboat. It was in a jetboat and is supposedly complete and ready to run. The only down side that I can see is that there is no intercooler and no waste gates to regulate boost. I would assume one would have to be carefull in the hot summer months without an intercooler. I like it because it would all fit under my hatch without any modifications.

Any input.

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I might be interested after you try it out and make sure it charges at idle... I had alot of bad experiences with U/D pullies on mustangs. Damn things wouldn't want to charge at idle especially if you had a stereo system.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What cfm carb to run???
« on: June 24, 2009, 06:53:29 PM »
850 dp and stay away from the edelbrock. go with a holley


850 DP is what I'm running on my mostly stock 460. Works good for me.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 16, 2009, 09:17:02 PM »
If you need a hand paddling, let me know.  ;)


Haha! Will do.

The mechanical pump might have low pressure but it hasn't left me stranded. Yet...

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 16, 2009, 07:30:46 PM »


I might as well dress it up a little bit if I'm gonna go through all the work again. ;D


I'll have the pump and the lines in by the weekend and hopefully be able to take a run out to the lake and test it out. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Thanks again!

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 16, 2009, 06:40:36 PM »


I think I'm just gonna reinstall the mechanical pump and start checking and replacing all the fuel lines again. I'd rather have low fuel pressure than none at all. :thumbup:

When the tanks get emptied after another trip or two on the water I'll probably pull them and check the pickups.

Probably gonna run steel braided lines too. ;D -8 sound big enough?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 16, 2009, 06:07:13 PM »


I forgot to mention that I did check the vents on both tanks. Both flow very freely, no restrictions.


The thing I think some of you are overlooking is that the electric pump had good pressure. Until it quit working it was putting out 11psi. That would lead me to believe there is no restricion or maybe it was the hose I removed that went from the fuel water seperator to the fuel pump. IDK...

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 15, 2009, 05:59:53 PM »
Pics are blurry, but looks like normal markings on the pump lever to me. Wish mine looked that good! Lack of lubrication it would be worn down visibly and measureably, IMO. It's gonna get marks on it, lol, that's just kinda the way they work!.

Ray



It is a little worn down. The left side of the silver mark is definately worn I can feel the dip with my finger.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 15, 2009, 04:28:35 PM »
Pics. I was told this is from lack of lubrication. IDK???
This is the only pic of the motor setup I have currently. This was with the mechanical pump on. You can see the selector valve in the top left. The fuel water seperator is just below that and I mounted the pump just underneath the fuel water seperator.
 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 15, 2009, 04:05:25 PM »


Thanks for all the replys. I appreciate it.


As far as the 1/2" line goes the reason I didn't do it is because the electric fuel tank selector valve and the fuel water seperator both have 1/4" NPT fittings. Which means even if I upgrade all my lines to 1/2" the I.D. of those fittings is only still probably gonna be 3/8" or less. I'm running a mostly stock 460, probably only about 350 hp. So I can't see how the 3/8" fuel line is the problem in my case. Another reason I went to electric is because Clay Smith said there was excessive wear on the fuel pump shaft. I'll get a pic up ASAP.

I'm thinking the reason the electric pump quite on me is because I was ideling for so long and the motor wasn't using any fuel causing the pump to overheat??? IDK???

I'll be rite back with the pick of the Clay Smith pump.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 14, 2009, 09:22:49 PM »
I think you need to sell the boat!


I think you have the rite answer! I'm tired of dickin around with this thing... It's not even fun anymore. :screwy:


The Clay Smith pump was a mechanical and with that pump I was having pressure issues. 6 psi when it was cold and when it warmed up it was only 3-4 psi. I couldn't get the plugs to richen up at all they were pure white like brand new. Went up 8 jet sizes and no change. That's where the issue started. If the plugs looked good and the boat ran good I wouldn't really care what the gauge said.

With the new electric pump which is ran through a relay I didn't really get to mess with it much. When the thing quit working I was pissed and just wanted to get home. The pressure seemed to be ok I only really checked once as soon as I left the marina, it was 11 psi before the reg and 6 after. Then when I got to the cove/no wake zone and idled for about 10min trying to find a nice sandy spot it quit working. Like I said it was still making noise (not as loud as when it's working properly) it just wasn't pumping, had no fuel pressure at all ZERO... After it cooled off for about 20 minutes it starting working again. I shut the hatch and got the F back to the dock. It ran fine all the way back to the dock.

The tank fuel pickups are the only things I haven't checked although I don't see how they would cause me an intermitent problem like today.

Thanks for the ideas guys.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Electric fuel pump issues?
« on: June 14, 2009, 06:29:39 PM »
For all those who have been watching my ongoing saga with fuel delivery issues here is the latest update. I checked all my hoses, fuel water seperator, fuel tank selector switch for restrictions and every thing was fine.
Clay smith pretty much told me that in order for his pump to work properly in my boat that I would need to upgrade to 1/2" I.D. hose and or run braided lines. Don't really want to do either of those at this time so I ordered an electric fuel pump to try out. I ordered the Jegs equivelent of a holley blue (holley only offered a 30 day warranty and jegs offered 1 year). Jegs told me it was bassically the same as the holley blue without the holley sticker on it.

I plumbed in the pump and mounted it as low as possible (inlet and outlet are at least 2-3" lower than the bottom of the fuel tanks). Took it out to the lake today and the pressure seemed to be better from what I noticed. Before the regulator it was about 11psi and after it was 6.

Now onto the new problem. As I was idleing into a no wake zone area in a cove the fuel pump decided to quit working. :banghead: It was still running but was not providing any pressure and was very HOT. After I let it cool down for about 20 minutes with the hatch open it started rite up and was fine. I hurried my ass back to the dock through huricane like conditions praying the damn pump didn't quite again. :mad:

So did I get tricked into buying a shit pump or is this a common problem with electric pumps with an engine hatch??? Too much heat at low speeds??? I'm really at the end of my rope on this one... Running out of ideas... Seemed to have possibly fixed one problem (don't really know for sure cause I didn't have much time to play with it) and created another.


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Lake Mead / Re: saturday float?
« on: June 14, 2009, 11:42:18 AM »


Probably gonna head out in about an hour.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: blow my oil cap
« on: June 13, 2009, 03:10:11 PM »

Can't really tell by the picture but are there any breathers or pcv in those valve covers?

I had a very similar issue with my motor when I changed valve covers, kept blowing the front and rear lifter valley seal on the intake manifold. Ended up having to put a tall breather on each valve cover in the front with baffles screwed in underneath to keep oil from blowing out.


Like this...


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 10, 2009, 06:59:55 PM »

All the hose from the tanks all the way through to the carb is 3/8" ID. I have replaced almost all of it over the last two years there is only very small pieces of old hose between the fuel water seperator and the tank selector switch. I am going to go over it with a fine tooth comb this weekend. Pull all the hoses, verify the vents are working and make sure the pickups are not clogged.

I'll keep you guys posted.
Thanks, John

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 09, 2009, 06:54:18 PM »


Ok so I got a call back from Clay Smith today and he said the pump is good to go. On his bench it put out 21 psi and didn't bleed down after 20 minutes.

He is thinking I have a restriction of some sort. Possibly the rubber fuel line on the suction side of the pump might be collapsing. Or he suggested possibly a clog or restricted vent from the fuel tank.

Any suggestions.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 08, 2009, 03:26:29 PM »
I never did make it out today John, the ole lady is out of town, parents are ill. She's comming home tomorrow. I have never lauched and recovered by myself, almost tho the ole lady's got a broken foot.  She's in the same air cast I just got out of! Sux to be getting old. Anyway, I run one of those pumps with two dominators, no reg, no gauge, no separater, no problems. I've seen grand national boats running the same exact setup so I figured it must be good. Catch up to you soon....T


No problem.

Launching the boat alone is a PITA. Plus you have to tie it up to the dock which means you run the risk of someone running into your boat.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 07, 2009, 07:16:41 PM »


So I installed a gauge before the regulator and the pump seems to be the issue. It's only putting out 6psi cold and then drops to about 4-5 after it warms up. I pulled it off and am going to ship it out to clay smith tomorrow.

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Lake Mead / Re: saturday float?
« on: June 06, 2009, 07:10:00 AM »


According to weather.com there are supposed to be 20mph winds today and only 8mph sunday. I'm probably gonna head out early sunday.

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Boat Showcase / Re: boost
« on: June 04, 2009, 07:18:58 PM »


Did he get that CP? :sly:

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 02, 2009, 04:34:57 PM »
Just thowing out an idea here...

I've had issues with those Holley adjustable fuel pressure regulators, that might be your issue, I've heard they don't hold steady flow...That being said, what if you ran with out it? What's the max pressure that mechanical pump can make? Aren't they usually self regulating? If it's not an incredibly high volume unit, try taking it out of the loop and running with out it to see what happens.

Again, just an idea from things I've heard. I recently had similar issues.




I don't think I can do that in this situation. The pump is supposed to put out 14psi. I am going to put another gauge before the regulator to make sure the pump is working properly. If it is then it's for sure the regulator.. Should find out this weekend.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 01, 2009, 07:51:45 PM »
We just had a bunch of boats in my front yard the other day, fixing, adjusting and tuning. Ordered a few pizzas, had a good time.


That sounds like a good time. ;D

I hope to find the problem this weekend. I'll try and meet up with you guys if you go out this weekend. I should be out saturday for sure.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 01, 2009, 05:44:59 PM »


Ok so I ordered 2 new fuel pressure gauges. I got one to replace the current gauge that's after the regulator and another to install before the regulator. According to Clay Smith incoming fuel presssure from the pump should be 16 psi.

I'll find out this weekend.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: June 01, 2009, 05:02:32 PM »
I think he means My boat may be headed his way, AGAIN, lol. Haven't confirmed this, however.........

Ray



Oh, ok.


I think I'm just gonna try and pick up another gauge first and make sure that's not the issue.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Fuel pressure issues
« on: May 31, 2009, 01:27:29 PM »


Boat maintenance day?


I'm on 215 and pecos in henderson.

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