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Hulls / Re: Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 30, 2012, 07:06:46 AM »
I saw that one last night on PB. Looks like all you have to do is drop in a motor and go. If I had the cash right now I would consider a road trip. Thanks for the heads up  :beer:

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Hulls / Re: Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 27, 2012, 07:09:25 AM »
Thanks - I have looked there a few times, I saw that one. Based on what I've seen so far he's over priced for what it is. I like the look and set up of the Nordic posted here and everywhere, but think if I pull the trigger it will have to be an Eliminator.

There are none now, but a month or so ago I saw a couple that I would consider for $15k that were pretty well set up. Good enough parts to do some engine swapping.

I'll either continue with my Rogers or go Daytona. None of the others interest me.

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Hulls / Re: Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:27:14 AM »
Nobody here has a 19' Daytona? Bummer

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Jet Pumps / Re: need more speed
« on: November 20, 2012, 07:06:32 AM »
Don't fool yourself here. You will NOT go any faster with these changes. I have your boat in the 21' model. Your thoughts of 5 to 6mph will not happen. Our boats are pretty big and heavy. The stock design seems to be well thought out by the builder. I don't see any easy way to get more out of it. I have never reached out to Cobra. Maybe you can get a hold of a someone there who has the experience to point you in the direction you want to go.

If your going to add a supercharger with the low boost your talking about I wouldn't change the pump at all. Adding rpm's will be your additional speed. Why do you want to keep it at 5000rpm? Do you think 5300 or 5400 would cause any problems? My 496 could take it just fine.

The droop I tried already had wedge built into it. Go up another 4 degrees and you will have serious up angle at your control. I'm sure you already know max speed comes with your roost just above water level.

Based on my personal experience you may end up with a slower loose riding experience. I only post here when I have experience in the discussion. My experience and opinion - take it for what it is.

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Jet Pumps / Re: need more speed
« on: November 19, 2012, 08:30:28 PM »
Follow Greg's advice

I tried a loader grate in mine and noticed absolutely nothing

Droop, wedge, loader & insert will be a reasonable expense, let me know how it goes, I might try the same

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Jet Pumps / Re: need more speed
« on: November 19, 2012, 07:05:14 PM »
I SAID if you cruise you would get good mileage. I do with my Cobra. I ALSO SAID if you have a lead foot you won't dumbazz  :screwy:

I was going to try the Place diverter droop with a ride plate that attaches to the droop until TIM PLACE SCREWED ME. I tried it on my Rogers and it was the wrong direction. To small of boat for what that thing is. Buy it from someone like Tom at JBP and you will get a fair deal.

I don't believe a shoe and ride plate would do you any good. Call somebody who does this for a living and ask. Fuel injected Procharger would get you there. 5 or 7psi would work good with that engine. How much are you willing to spend? Are you able to do the work yourself? If not it's really expensive. Have you ever heard the phrase "Expect to spend $1000 for every mile an hour to go above and beyond your stock set up" I've lived it for a long time and found this to be pretty accurate.

Or you could do what I did. Buy a small jet boat for going fast.

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Jet Pumps / Re: need more speed
« on: November 19, 2012, 07:18:00 AM »
Don't do it. My Cobra runs the same way. Unless you have deep pockets I don't believe any changes will be for the better.

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Boats For Sale / Re: Eliminator Picklefork
« on: November 16, 2012, 07:22:10 AM »
I just picked up on the Nordic in the post

Eliminator picklefork is the subject

Excuse my ignorance, but is this a 19' Eliminator Daytona?

If not what are the differences?

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Boats For Sale / Re: Eliminator Picklefork
« on: November 16, 2012, 07:19:11 AM »
I'm interested, but I must be honest with you. My year end cash flow may not allow it. The joys of being in business for yourself.

I'll be at Echo on the river Thankgiving. Not sure what days yet. My son has a playoff football game tonite. If they win then the semi finals are next Friday.

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Hulls / Re: Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 16, 2012, 07:11:40 AM »
Calling all 19' Daytona owners - Need your input - Thanks much

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Hulls / Re: Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 15, 2012, 07:07:36 PM »
what motor is in your rogers? and what is done to the pump? 86 mph is pretty good.

Chevy 468, strong inside, Procharger 9 psi

Like I said stock intake

Loader, Agressor 9 vane bowl, place diverter (Tim Place is an asswipe - he made me an offer, then screwed me out of a whole $50, hope you enjoyed it asswipe)

I have many years  experience with building boats. I have access to someone who built the same Rogers I have. His was really fast and well put together.

I'm looking for those with the Daytona to pick their brains on their experience.

On a side note nice avatar lupo - sweet azz  >:D

Yep fast boats are expensive and yes this is where I'll spend many more thousands. It costs me $1000 a month to have my boats and a place on the river, it's one of the things I do.  :thumbup: :beer:

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Hulls / Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:05:40 AM »
So I've been thinking lately about my direction with my Rogers. I like the boat. To complete the project I expect another $10 to $15k would do it. For that I could buy a 19' Daytona, move my engine over and maybe a few other things. Take what is in the Daytona and put in the Rogers and sell it for $5 or $6k. The Daytona would have to have the pump pretty much set up for me to buy it. Clean paint job as well.

My Rogers runs to 86mph in 6 seconds with a stock intake. Based on my research having my pump set back is worth about another 10mph. Changing the impeller may increase this as well. I'm running a AA now.

How much more would the Daytona run with my engine? 10mph, 15mph, 20mph?
I feel pretty safe running the Rogers to 100mph, How much faster would the Daytona run before it goes airborne? I know it's a fine line, I would prefer to stay right below the death defying line getting as close as I can  :screwy:

I want one of the quickest boats on the river, not the fastest.

When you look over a Daytona what exactly are you looking for? Good and Bad

Thanks for the opinions guys

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Jet Pumps / Re: 2005 Cobra 23 Viper?
« on: November 09, 2012, 07:27:55 AM »
Nope not kidding. Read alot about it years ago and can't find any of it now. It does depend on the set up, I'm sure it can go better with a prop in many cases. I'm also sure many advances in technology have a difference since then. Maybe even with this 23' jet a prop would be better. My experience with both jet and I/O in 21' boats I can go much farther in my jet while cruising. Last time I launched in Havasu and cruised an estimated 100 miles I got close to 10mpg which surprised me. 4 or 5mpg is pretty good in a boat.

Besides this is a Jet boat forum and Props Suck!  8)

GO ahead, hit me with your opposition  ^-^

I don't think this boat will go 60, but it will get close. I think I've had mine to 60 running light and alone before.

Hey 5150 I was having issues with a poor running boat when I got there and I had to fix it first, then it was to late to stop and meet everyone. Looking forward to next time  :beer: :beer: :beer:

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Jet Pumps / Re: 2005 Cobra 23 Viper?
« on: November 08, 2012, 08:21:52 PM »
if your looking to spend that kind of money i would get an i/o any way with a boat that size.. gas is going to kill you'
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I disagree, jets are proven to get better mileage than I/O's

That being said if you have a lead foot then every boat eats gas fast. I'll burn $120 in my Rogers in about 30 minutes of run time luvin every second  8)

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Jet Pumps / Re: 2005 Cobra 23 Viper?
« on: November 08, 2012, 08:15:47 PM »
I have the 2004 21' Cobra with the same engine and pump set up. Great handling boat in all conditions. Runs about 55mph with 4 people in it. Not really interested in going fast in this as it's a great boat to cruise around and hang out in. I think it would be a waste of time and money to add a shoe, ride plate, droop as it rides great just like it is.

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Projects / Re: My project boat... Any idea on boat?
« on: November 02, 2012, 08:22:15 AM »
He mellowed out a bit with the 1994 Howard 22' Deep V set up with a 502 Magnum that he built up a little.

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Projects / Re: My project boat... Any idea on boat?
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:33:08 AM »
It has to be a Rogers. These pics look identical to my boat. As far as the year the only thing I know for sure is my brother-in-laws Dad bought the 2nd Bonneville Bubbledeck from Roger in 1974 that was sold to the public. He always smiles when he talks about the boat and the serial number ending in 002. He built it to go really fast in the late 80's and sold it in 94 when he bought a Howard.

Here's what mine looks like from the back.

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Projects / Re: My project boat... Any idea on boat?
« on: November 01, 2012, 07:45:00 AM »
From the front it looks similar to my Rogers. I know he built some race boats before he started selling to the public. If it is one that might be why the imprint of the hull ID numbers aren't there.

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Need pictures to help

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: !!!!!LESS BOOST!!!!!
« on: October 27, 2012, 01:27:11 PM »
Hey Jesse, Have you run into this type of issue when bumping up the boost in any of your cars?

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I think Big Johnson is right. It looks customized to fit in a boat. 2 remote filters is 2 quarts. If the pan is 5 quarts then it should run 6, 1 extra for the additional filter.

I have a Hamburgers marine pan that is listed 10 quarts with oil filter.

Do some searching online, I googled marine power oil pan capacities. Check it out

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: !!!!!LESS BOOST!!!!!
« on: October 27, 2012, 08:10:49 AM »
Interesting.   When you say it didnt sound right or run right,  what was it doing ?   

The sound that was different was more than the ear numbing exhaust. It was like I could here the blow back of the pump. It was quite different than what I'm used too. I'm very in tune with my ears to catch trouble before it's too destructive. Maybe I over reacted on the safe side.

The way it ran was much less giddy up and max speed of 72mph on my gps.

My jetting should have been close enough based on my conversations with the Procharger tech I had before I attempted this. I haven't called them back yet to get their opinion.

I felt maybe my system won't allow this much air flow. Am I wrong? It would be great if I was, that way I could get more out this as it sits.

I would like to try again. If it's warm Thankgiving weekend I'll take it to the river with me. If it's cold I'll play golf and hang out watching the water go by  8) :beer: :beer: :beer:

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4 quarts doesn't sound like enough. Did you measure the oil you removed the first time?

Trying to ID a pan is not the easiest thing to do, but what I would look at first is the pan depth the same the entire length. This would be an aftermarket marine pan. Some of these the color may help. If it's a stock automotive style pan there will be the low spot on one end of the pan and high on the other. Get a camera down there and take several pictures then post them. There are alot of good guys here that have experience with different parts on boats. Use google to search capacities as well.

I always measure the oil I remove in a change. It's always 9 1/2 quarts in a 10 quart system. I use the suction tank that the tube slides down the dipstick tube. Standard filter is 1 quart.


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / !!!!!LESS BOOST!!!!!
« on: October 26, 2012, 08:29:44 AM »
Sometimes less is more.

Woke up at 4:30am Saturday and headed for the river to try out the 13psi pulley. Got on the river about 11 and I didn't like the way it was running. Didn't sound right and didn't feel right. Jesse was right in that I would probably need a surge valve with this much boost. Several other thoughts came to mind as I experimented. I put the 9psi pulley back on and started the tuning process again. This is all trial and error to find what we're looking for here. I believe I am at the best place I can be with my current set up. I run quick and hard to a max speed of 86mph in about 6 seconds. My pump is pushing as much water as it can. My intake is stock and yes my next step will be to change this. Need Cash  :screwy:

My engine is set up strong, but with the iron square ports heads (mildly ported and polished) I think they are only going to flow so much. AFR heads are on my wish list, but again it's about the cash flow.

I'm bummed I didn't take the time to stop and meet you guys at Buckskin for the 21' boat race, but at the time I was tired and in a place to get my Rogers running right.

Lots of time this off season to do stuff, hopefully business will pick up and the cash flow will allow some big changes sooner than later.

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So for all of you that don't know this...

When you buy a boat the first thing you do is change the oil regardless of what the previous owner tells you. Since boats have many possibilities for oil pan styles you must figure out which one you have so you know how much oil to put in there and at that point you look at your dipstick and mark it. All of my old boats have had a dip stick that does NOT read correctly on the existing markings. If you have a newer boat and you can believe the engine has not been removed yet then you can trust the dip stick.

Tough lesson dude, hopefully your misfortune will help someone else. Besides after this you are due for lots of good fortune  ;D

BTW Do some research and buy yourself a 10 quart oil pan

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