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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: GM truck issues
« on: September 04, 2010, 09:46:47 PM »
 GT, That little adapter that comes with the tester is what nobody had, watched 3 guys go through there boxes looking for that thing.  :screwy: 

 Heres what I found tonight.

 Everything looks OK in the distributor (no green moss), timing is correct. 
 Vac at idle is 18
 Injectors look to be misting nicely, no dribbling or anything strange.  Like little shower heads, those thing spray alot of fuel.
 
 When first started (motor completely cold, hadn't run all day). I checked for vacuum leaks by spraying starter fluid all around the TB, and all the hoses, as well as the edges of the intake, and around the EGR.  There was a vacuum leak around the rear of the base of the TB (under the hot water plate thingy), again.  >:(  As soon as I hit that area the idle would drop.  Once the motor warmed up (5 min running), it didnt do it anymore.  :sly:  So, once warmed up there are no vacuum leaks.

 
The low HC (hydrocarbons) would be an indication that there is not actually missing too bad....you should be GTG as far as ignition stuff. I think you may have a lazy o2 sensor or the plugs are gapped narrow (too tight). The CO (carbon monoxide) is an indicator of a somewhat rich condition especially with new cats...You need to check for vacuum leaks like you mentioned, check the intake manifold and the TBI base gskt., don't forget the EGR base gasket too if is equipped....


 GT, the 02 is new, 4 days old. As is the temp sensor and the computer.  I swear, now that this thing passed its smog test, its going on craigslist next week and getting sold.  I'm getting something old enough so I dont have to smog it ever again.  I'm sick of this stupid truck !!!  I want a good old fashioned carb and ign system, standard caveman stuff that always works.  And if it does break you can fix it with a screw driver and a hammer.  :banghead: :banghead:
 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: GM truck issues
« on: September 04, 2010, 09:22:12 AM »
jeff i'll ask my GM tech what he thinks it is talk to you tommorrow

               rusty

 Thanks Rusty, any help / ideas are appreciated


 I'll check out the ign system (just to be sure) and check for vacuum leaks (I'll get a vacuum reading too) when I get home tonight.

 I had another strange thought pop into my head this morning though.  What if the fuel pump is making to much pressure ?  Maybe it cant deal with it at low RPM.  I'm fairly sure there is no way to check fuel pressure under the hood on this thing (or nobody around here had a fitting for it). I remember once before when I had a fuel pump issue I had to unhook the filter and put a gauge on it under the truck to see what it was doing.   I've had many many fuel pump issues with this thing, its always one of my first suspects when something isnt right.     

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: GM truck issues
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:20:39 PM »
 OK guys, I brought it back home tonight so I can check some of the things you guys have mentioned.  Kinda late and dark tonight but I'll get on it right after work tomorrow.

 TJS, I'll pull the cap off first and look for anything funny.  Not sure what broke in the original dist, there was just lots of broken little metal parts all over the place in there.  The coil is not original, it was changed a few years ago. Actually it was after the trip down south to pick up my old Blue Eliminator.  Truck ran like crap on that trip and wouldnt start the next day, coil was dead. The basics, plugs, cap and rotor where changed last year when it started this crap (no help), maybe I'll pick up some wires for it too.

 I have the smog check paper now, it was in the truck.  It shows ...
 Idle speed test = 808 RPM,  %C02 = 14.4,  %02 = 0,  HC(PPM) = 70 (max is 220, ave is 51),  CO (%) = 1.37 (max is 1.50, ave is 0.20) this why they keep telling me its rich.  :-\

 Upper RPM test = 2699 RPM,  %CO2 = 14.4,  %02 = 0,  HC(PPM) = 23 (max is 200, ave is 34),  CO (%) = 0.34 (max is 1.60, ave is 0.30).  Its blowing flowers out of the exhaust at RPM.  :sly:

 To me this is looking kinda like the vacuum leak issue you guys mentioned earlier, I'll check that out tomorrow, again. If it was ignition related, wouldnt it still show up in the upper RPM test ?  And why do the upper RPM #s look so good but it runs bad at that RPM going down the street.  :screwy:

 BTW, the smog test on this truck is still done off the rollers (like in the old days), so there is no load on the motor. 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: GM truck issues
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:46:32 AM »
WOW, lots of info, thanks guys. OK let me try to answer all the questions.

 No coolant leak and its not low.
 Distributor, not sure where it came from, the original one broke (shattered its guts in the driveway one day) and I picked this one up (new) from my mechanic neighbor.  It was changed about 3yrs ago, but I do remember that the trigger system inside it looked different.  They told me its a design change because the older ones shatter like mine did. It plugged right in and ran fine after that.   
 Thermostat is a 190 (I believe) its been in there for many years, no signs of anything strange on the temp gauge.
 Timing is correct, they check that now during the smog check. And it passed.
 Not sure how the injectors are firing, but they are noisy.  :-\
 Also not sure of fuel pressure, there is no place to check it on this truck.  If I remember right its a low pressure system, its supposed to be something like 12lbs I think.
 I replaced the base gasket for the TBI a few years ago too, forgot to list that, sorry. It had the high idle issue and ran like crap.
 Not sure how rich it is, it did pass its smog test (barley), but both the smog tech and the mechanic looked at the test sheet and said its rich. I think the only reason it passed was because it has 2 brand new cats under it.  The old cats, front one was hollow, gutted its self and plugged the rear one. Exhaust guy said running rich can cause that, burning fuel in the cat (??).
 There is a slight exhaust leak on the pass side manifold, goes away once it warms up. but the 02 is on the driver side (I think).
 It has 116 k miles on it.
 TPS sensor was checked and is in spec.
 I think I did see the 02 sensor switching with the scanner (looking over a shoulder), nothing occasional or random about it, looked like square wave signal.  :sly:
 There are no trouble codes, and it never turns on the check engine light no matter how bad it runs.

 Heres a little description of how it runs and what it does.
 Truck cold, hasnt been driven in a few days, get in start it and drive away, after a few blocks it will develop a slight stumbley miss at cruise speed, this goes away at full throttle. If I shut it off (once its fully warmed up) go into a store to get something come back out and drive home the truck runs better, not perfect, but better. If you dont shut it off, lets say you just jump on the freeway and drive, it runs like crap. It misses and has no power, sounds and feels like a lack of fuel (plugged fuel filter). But as soon as you hit full throttle it clears right out and runs good (no missing). Back to cruise and it starts all over again.  :banghead:  This is worse in the winter, not as bad in the summer.
 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / GM truck issues
« on: September 03, 2010, 12:25:58 AM »
 I'm having issues with my stupid truck again, need some advice / ideas.

 Truck is an 89 Chevy 3500 (454) , throttle body injection.  Problem is, it runs rich.  Dropped it off at the mechanics because it was pissing me off.  Now its pissing them off.  ;)   So far we have tried, new 02 sensor, temp sensor, and computer, nothing has helped. The new computer did not come with a chip so we had to use the original one, could it be the chip ??  Mechanic said, or some reason it is staying in cold start mode and wont realize its warmed up.  It never switches over and uses the 02 sensor to adjust its self. Hooking it to the scanner tool thingy shows that it knows its warmed up.  Strange thing is, if you get it warmed up and shut it off, let it sit for a few minutes, then restart it, it runs better (still rich but better). But still wont switch over and read the 02 sensor.  I used this trick to get it to pass its smog test (barley), but I want to get it right before it destroys the new cats I had to put on it. 

 Any GM techs out there remember these things, and have an idea for me before I get really mad and do something bad. 

 Recent repairs (in the last few years) have included new distributor, new coil, new fuel pump / filter, new catalytic converters (both  :mad:).   

 STUPID fuel injected computer controlled JUNK !!!!!!  What this thing really needs is a carb and a normal distributor.

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: Project Boats on Craigslist
« on: August 29, 2010, 02:04:20 AM »
WHAT A FRICKEN DEAL...HOLLY CHIT......... :banghead:
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/1923141223.html

 Thats good deal Mouser, you should buy it.  ::)

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SoCal Lakes / Re: Bass Lake?
« on: August 29, 2010, 01:44:09 AM »
uh huh doesnt sound safe..

 Its a beautiful lake.  But, that place is a disaster on the weekends, like cruising around in a washing machine.

 And SD, You forgot to mention the worst part (IMO) about that place.  Maybe things have changed sense I was last there (probably not), but to be on that lake, you needed to buy the special BassLake permit/sticker for your boat.  Price for the permit is/was based on HP, more HP = more money for the permit.  Permits are purchased at the ranger station island/shack.  You launch your boat and report to the island, where you get an inspection (lifevests, safety stuff, etc, etc), once all that is done you buy your permit (good for one year/season) or get sent home. They do not like loud boats.

 Other options in the area with same scenery are, Shaver lake, and Huntington lake.  Lower altitude (no trees) are Millerton lake, Pine flat lake, Hensley lake (not recommended). 

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What makes a jet boat run hot???
« on: August 29, 2010, 01:11:32 AM »
 I'm going to take a shot at this one. 

 First, how is your water routed ?  Does it go from the pump to the motor first then to the logs, or from the pump to the logs then to the motor ?

 If its going to the logs before the motor (to preheat the water), you might have a tuning issue with the new motor causing realy high exhaust temps now. That would cause the water to be overly hot before it even gets to the motor.

 just an idea.   

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: BBC Diagnosis
« on: August 20, 2010, 12:21:51 AM »
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Boat Showcase / Re: Eliminator Scorpion 100+ mph pass
« on: August 18, 2010, 07:32:47 PM »
COOL  :thumbup:



 So tell me,  was it worth all the work to build it.  ::)

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: August 18, 2010, 12:44:59 AM »
Old Stevens flatbottom jet.
  http://fresno.craigslist.org/boa/1904107817.html


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Actually I do see a couple potential issues there.

 1.  You have a potential feedback issue with the bilge pump circuit.  If there is water and the float switch is active, and you happen to have the manual switch on, it will feed back power to the IGN circuit (you wont be able to shut the motor off).

 2. Not sure what your trying to do with that fuel pump circuit ??

 If it was mine, I would run the lights and other switches off ACC power (along with that bilge float switch). That way when the key is off, everything is off.  I have a bad habit of forgetting things on  ::)
Another option would be to use a relay on the bilge pump. Output to bilge pump on terminal 30 of the relay, Batt on terminal 87, output of float switch (if its high current) on terminal 87a, output from manual switch (+) on terminal 86, ground on terminal 85.  In that case I would send Bat power to the float switch and ACC to the manual switch.  That way if the boat was sitting in the water unattended and it took on water the float switch could turn on the bilge pump. But thats just me. 

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Projects / Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« on: August 08, 2010, 10:53:27 PM »
  Looks good Pat,  glad to see the fishin boat seats are gone.  ;D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: He's back...
« on: August 08, 2010, 10:47:56 PM »
 I saw a 2nd place finish in one of the heat races from that "family" boat.   >:D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: lost motivation.....
« on: August 05, 2010, 12:16:55 AM »
 That thing looks ready to float, I bet the Bakersfield crew could have that boat on the water in a day.  It will cost you lots of beer though, and some pics of your wifes hot friends would probably help get people at your door ready to help.

 You Bakersfield slackers have one week to get it done before Mark calls the midget. 

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Boat Racing / Re: 2010 Long Beach Sprint Nationals
« on: August 04, 2010, 12:24:03 AM »
so who is all going?

 1  Brad
 2  Ralph  ??
 3  Marcsrollin
 4  The beav + extras
 5  GT jets   on "boat bitch" duty   ;D
 6  crewchief
 7  flytime
 8  Willow Wog
 9  Propless
 10
 11
 12
 13
 14

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / cleaning sale 3
« on: August 03, 2010, 11:40:02 PM »
This is the last of the unneeded stuff around here.  ::) for now.

 I can deliver (free) anywhere between Fresno and Long Beach on Sunday the 8th of Aug.

 One set of fiberglass seats, these where for Ironmans project but he decided to go a different route.   :screwy:
 buckets are 19.5 " wide, and bench was modified (shortened) to be 40" wide.  All 3 are primed and ready for paint.
 Complete set, all 3 seats, $ 250.    no shipping

 

 

 One used loader, built by Ironman.  This is the same design I had in my old boat and it showed only 5psi difference between the upper and lower pressure taps on the pump, and that was with a very aggressive shoe.  I was going to buy this one for myself, but I'm going with a low pro intake so where going to make a new one.
 $ 75 + shipping, or free delivery to the races at Long Beach.


 Dirty old rusty BBC ski tow, needs to be rechromed.
 $25 + shipping, or free delivery to the races at Long Beach.
 

 Custom made baffles, 3 (I think) spirals, there 3 3/4 od and 12" long.
 $ 40 + shipping, or free delivery to the races at Long Beach.
 

 One slightly dead Crow, courtesy of one big black dog with a bad attitude, he does not like "things" in his yard.  :screwy:
 Make offer, free delivery to the races at Long Beach.  ;D
 

 Dont forget to check the other sales, free delivery day is this Sunday.
http://www.socaljetboats.com/random-boat-parts/cleaning-sale/
http://www.socaljetboats.com/random-boat-parts/cleaning-sale-2/
http://www.socaljetboats.com/engines/454-4-bolt-block/
http://www.socaljetboats.com/random-boat-parts/motor-plates-rail-kit/

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Central Valley / Re: Shaver lake
« on: August 03, 2010, 07:59:00 PM »
Well you gotta remember for the most part its pretty quiet up there and most of the visitors are spending time AWAY from the bar.. That leaves the locals. Nothing too scary until you hit the "Short Horn" after about midnight. Its a single wide mobile home turned into a bar right behind the gas station in town. Right near the pizza place. Out of like 15 trips there, atleast 10 ended up back at the trailer saying "What the hell just happened". These are a sneaky sort of people, always leave the banjos at home so you cant hear em comin.

 This would be a clue to most people,  and yet, you keep going back.   :sly:

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Central Valley / Re: Shaver lake
« on: August 02, 2010, 10:20:31 PM »
Thursday nights ??? ???  Splain :screwy:


 Have you seen the movie Deliverance ??

 If you hear banjos.....  :screwy:

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V-Drives / Re: Eliminator V-Drive
« on: August 02, 2010, 10:12:53 PM »
 Call me Colt, to much to type.

 Jeff  559-270-1162

 http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff97/propless/V-drive%20boat/PICT0013-1.jpg

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Central Valley / Re: Shaver lake
« on: August 02, 2010, 09:14:09 PM »
Thanks Proppy for the info :beer: I will definately go up to Huntington also, seeing as we will be there a week. How is it there for the lake patrol ???

 Not really sure on the lake patrol, believe it or not I've never gone up there with one of my boats. Mark (sangerpete) would be the one to ask about that.  I do know the roads up there though, some epic sportbike style backroads up there.  >:D


  ;D

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Central Valley / Re: Shaver lake
« on: August 01, 2010, 12:19:00 AM »
Yeah, I actually mis spoke...We were shooting for Kings Canyon N.P....Yosemite came up because the wifeepoo has never been...I know. I feel like a slacker hubby... :thumbdown:

I believe Shaver is between us and Kings canyon...But been a while, thanks for looking out. 8) I am creating an itinerary right now...Just sort of an experiment.

GT

 Well not really,  Kings Canyon is hwy 180, Yosemite is hwy 41, Shaver is hwy 168. You need to drop back down into the valley and climb back up the hills to get from one to the other. Unless you really know the back roads, most are very tight and twisty.  Shaver is kinda in the middle of the two.  Pineflat is (kinda) on the way to Kings Canyon, but its not much in the way of scenery.

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Thanks to lakes only (Paul Kane)
« on: July 31, 2010, 10:18:02 PM »
dont ya luv it when paul makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside :D

 Lets see how "warm and fuzzy" he makes you feel when he finds out you have a Chevy in your new boat.   >:D

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Central Valley / Re: Shaver lake
« on: July 31, 2010, 09:59:12 PM »
We will be driving by there tomorrow to check it out, I'll try to snag a picture or six.. :thumbup:

Going to Yosemite for the day and thought we would stake out some future ventures  ;)

GT

 Umm GT, Shaver is not on the road to Yosemite. You can get there from that road but I wouldnt recommend it in a family truckster (great sportbike road though  ;D).  Eather way, you have to drop way back down into the valley and climb back up the mountains. Lakes that are close to the road to Yosemite (via 41), Millerton, Hensley, Bass lake.

 76, you will like it up there  :thumbup:.  Its a nice lake and a very relaxing place.  Get ahold of Mark (Sangerpete), he has a cabin up there and spends lots of time up there.  If you want to take a short trip one day head farther up the hill to Huntington lake, also very nice.  ;)

 BTW, dont feed the bears !!!  ::) ;D

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