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The No Wake Zone / Re: Fuel efficiency
« on: September 05, 2023, 09:31:13 AM »
I KNOW! I shouldn't worry about fuel efficiency if I'm ripping a bbc jetboat, but i burned right  through 40 gallons in a day and was kind of taking it easy. Im firing on all cylinders. I was just wondering if everyone else is burning right through fuel or if i have a problem somewhere. Would a efi throttle body help at all? I've got a 650 edelbrock with an electric fuel pump on top of a bbc 405 right now. My pump set up is a little odd but I don't ever feel like its sucking air. Has anyone figured out how to get a little more miles to the gallon? Any tips or tricks anyone wants to share would be greatly appreciated!!!

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What impeller do you have? And how long has it been since a refresh on the pump?
Larger impellers tend to get better fuel efficiency.
As does a tight pump.
Even with a SBC, I run an A cut impeller.

Food for thought.

Dan'l

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If it's an early Dominator bowl, the tail shaft bushing size is different, check that out first.
I contemplated the same thing.
There was no advantage to the early Dominator bowl, especially without a droop.

If it's a later Dominator bowl, that's different.

Early was the bud-mar casting I believe.

Flusher and Tom at JBP would know for sure.

Dan'l

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WTB / Re: In Need of 1350 H-Bar
« on: August 05, 2023, 02:40:05 PM »
I got mine from PTO sales in Phoenix.

Dan'l

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It's a 1976 Eliminator 21' Day Cruiser.
Cruises at 3200, about 32 mph.
No need for a pontoon boat.
Built like a tank.

Dan'l

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Where to start?
My old azz eliminator day cruiser is supposedly a 3800 lb hull, per Eliminator. Then add a 454 and pump (650 lbs?) and (2) 25 gallon tanks, and all the BS for a day on the river, I'm guessing at 4800 lbs?

Bigger boats need bigger impellers. Mine runs a AA from American Turbine. It's slightly larger than a 2A from Berkeley.
With ~500 HP,  turns the AA to 4950-5000 rpm, at a blistering 57 mph, going up river, with 3 others and myself. Would probably hit 60 by myself and minimal fuel.

Tows grandkids on inflatables easily, and a 275+ lb single skier without hesitation.

Floats in ankle deep water (avatar pic)

Big enough for Mohave, but easy enough for the river at Bullhead.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Opinion on what to do next? Newb
« on: July 08, 2023, 09:27:10 AM »
There may be more speed in a B impeller, but the juice isn't worth the squeeze, in my opinion.

My shitbox SBC will run miles and miles at WFO, and 55 plus mph.

For a max effort deal, and just for top end numbers, go with a B.
For an all around ski and family boat, I would go with the A. More grunt on the bottom end.

That's just my personal preference.

Dan'l

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: 1973 Silverline Jet Boat Problems
« on: July 07, 2023, 06:27:59 PM »
Could the splines be twisted? That would cause the interference fit and the vibration issues.

A new or good used shaft should be easy to source.

Dan'l


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I'd call Tom at Jet Boat Performance. He would know.

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: SD309 American Turbine Cavitation Issue ?
« on: July 07, 2023, 06:22:40 PM »
That would do it (cavitation)
Does the area around the hole seem thin, vs the rest of the pump? Check closely.

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: 21? liberator dominator pump
« on: July 07, 2023, 06:17:55 PM »
Sounds like the older Dominator bowl with glacial bearing, (bushing) that is water lubed.

Try blasting the intake of the pump with another hose when firing it up on the hose.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Help identifying rotor
« on: July 07, 2023, 06:10:19 PM »
There's several marine dizzys that are no longer made. Prestolite possibly. Check thru sierra marine.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Opinion on what to do next? Newb
« on: July 07, 2023, 06:07:39 PM »
It does sound like you have a A2 impeller.
My SBC, about 325 hp, turns an A impeller to 4600/4650 rpm.

Between the parts in your SBC, I'd think you'd be at a similar HP level.

As far as a 351 and 5300 rpm, either it's one stout 351, at about 475 HP, or it's a loose pump, (most likely)

Dan'l

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Interior / Re: Bilge blower??
« on: June 29, 2023, 08:24:04 AM »
Fuel vapor is heavier than air, so it settles down in the bilge.

Especially if it is already rigged with one, I'd get it working properly.

It only takes one spark with the ideal conditions to ruin your weekend.

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: 1973 Silverline Jet Boat Problems
« on: June 27, 2023, 06:17:01 AM »
From the front side.

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: 1973 Silverline Jet Boat Problems
« on: June 24, 2023, 05:01:19 PM »
I'd check the radial clearance.
It should be .012 inch per side or so, about .025 total.
I checked at 3 and 9 o'clock.
I've measured .035 inch per side on a sloppy pump.
A properly fitted wear ring fixed the problem.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Exhaust under water line
« on: June 08, 2023, 09:06:49 AM »
I'd say they're half way while idling in the no wake zone, and under water when beached.

The exhaust hose is down hill to the transom, probably about 4 inches of elevation drop from the logs and snails.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Exhaust under water line
« on: June 06, 2023, 10:09:26 PM »
The top of my exhaust trumpets are 4 inches below the top of the transom adapter. Never had a problem.

Dan'l

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Marine Power 454 White smoke
« on: May 29, 2023, 10:14:56 PM »
Sounds like carburetor problems.

Start with the basics, a compression check.
If that is good, then it's sounds like carburetion.
Q-jets aren't your friend here. They belong on tow trucks and motorhomes. (In my honest opinion)
Tuning a q-jet can be done, but isn't as simple as a Holley.
Metering rods and and jets for a truck and usually too lean for a jet boat. The idle quality sounds like something is suspect. Q-jet should have a good idle, even on a jet boat.
Fuel pressure sounds like it's not steady at 7ish lbs to keep you running.
Non vented fuel tank(s) could cause this too, as well as a clogged fuel filter.

Several things you need to look into.
Make sure initial timing is good to go and your ignition system isn't failing either (bad coil or module?)

Dan'l

Just my $0.02.

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Jet Pumps / Re: SD309 American Turbine Cavitation Issue ?
« on: May 29, 2023, 09:57:42 PM »
You want to file the leading edges of both the impeller and the bowl.
Think airplane wing, not knife edge (weaker) while you're there, check the radial tolerances of the impeller to wear ring. It should be at ~0.0125" per side (radial), and .025" to .030" at the leading edge, if I remember right (shouldered). Shims will help you with your leading edge dimensions. Wear rings are available undersized based on your skirt dimensions.

Any questions, pm me.

Dan'l

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Jet Pumps / Re: 1973 Silverline Jet Boat Problems
« on: May 28, 2023, 07:26:36 PM »
As 76Manra455 said, something else is in the pump. Next thing is to pull the bowl off. The trailing edges of the impeller could be trashed, or even have a rock wedged in the impeller or bowl.

Pretty simple to get the bowl off, and if you find nothing in the pump, it's at least peace of mind that everything is ok.

Olds are not the best at oiling, if everything is still factory stock. I hope you don't have to get into the motor to find the vibration.
With the speeds vs rpm, it's most definitely in the pump.

Just my $0.02

Dan'l

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Hulls / Re: Honest mph
« on: May 23, 2023, 04:58:27 PM »
21' Eliminator Day Cruiser
Mild built 454. 57 up river.
19' Saguaro open bow.
Vortec 350 sbc. 55, loaded with family, ready to roll.
19' Glencoe. 454, XE cam, Bassetts.
Best ever, solo, 71.8

Dan'l

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It sounds like your idle air bleed adjustment is out of whack too.
Get the fuel bowl level addressed first and then your idle air bleeds.
You stated half a turn out, and as a starting point, should be a turn and a half out. Then adjust from there, in small increments.

Q-jet, 2bbl 2gc, Holley, Edelbrock, john Deere, Briggs and Stratton carbs, the starting point is a turn and a half out.

Hope this helps.

Dan'l

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Projects / Re: 460 Build Help
« on: May 17, 2023, 08:55:12 AM »
450 HP should be quite obtainable with mostly stock parts.
Quite a few 460 builds here on the boards.
Impeller selection is key for the HP you want. Knowing what it already has helps too.

Dan'l

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Projects / Re: Mystery jet boat
« on: May 17, 2023, 08:51:39 AM »
The swoop on the bottom side of the dash reminds me of a Hallett v drive.

The angled area just forward of the transom reminds me of early Eliminator jet boats.

Since it has a hin, it's newer than 72 or 73.

Does it have any strakes?

Dan'l

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Projects / Re: Mystery jet boat
« on: May 12, 2023, 08:49:04 AM »
PMP makes pontoons out of Florida, and started in 2007. I don't think yours was made by the pontoons company.
There was a way to find out who had the manufacturers hin initials prior to the current owners. If that makes sense. I just couldn't find it.
The round transom hole for the jet bowl reminds me of a superjet. Who made the superjet, Hondo? Sanger? I can't remember.
Regardless, looks like a cool project. What are your plans? Big horsepower? Mild cruiser? Yard art?

Dan'l

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