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Title: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 28, 2008, 09:44:54 PM
Getting ready to build the new 2008 Hondo so the Brendella has to go. It owes me $4200 exactly and it is a mint ready gor motor with less than 1 hour on custom rebuild. Way to many things to list. Most have seen the boat before I actaully bought it off these boards. Comes with Brand new stainless impeller,tandem trailer,and some other parts. Plus I have brand new parts for a 496 build if interested. I am going all alumunum for the new boat. This boat is flawless and CLEAN setup for 100mph+!!!!!!!!!!!!
$4200

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FBrendellaTop-1.jpg&hash=738b49043166224e3dd857ab888897e285e0eac3)

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FBrendellamotorplates-1.jpg&hash=598a554ce8cf661e2f1b4dd3a2c60a172532306e)

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FJacuzziPump.jpg&hash=aa95bd29dcdc12162c50cebc04c170099dd731dc)
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: GT Jets on May 28, 2008, 09:49:55 PM
Nice piece! 8)
Has the bottom been reworked?
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 28, 2008, 09:58:17 PM
Full Jeff Benett bottom, delta pad removed,custom stainless loader, and setback pump, rideplate etc


(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FBrendellaBottom.jpg&hash=4ec5bd4285d9fc87e06e7b03e1468e21d7eb3206)

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FCavplaterecess.jpg&hash=5cf2ef703dcd37b91278eb2c50a525f34d024064)
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: GT Jets on May 28, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
OMG this thing is cool, :o sounds funny, but I need to show my dad :-[, he would be very interested he's got a pretty serious Southwind right now, but always room for another boat (besides just sold my Sanger to Tom at JBP). Be in touch...
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 28, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
Here are some more pics

Seats are Corbeau ripped apart and resized for the boat

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FTylerinBrendella.jpg&hash=934fff052260755f9a81175b5839e33d9e8b1818)

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Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: pw_Tony on May 28, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
Becoming the regular ol' 2Sav are we? Buy sell and nothing runs  ;D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: propless on May 29, 2008, 12:33:21 AM
I think 2 sav is a couple boats ahead of Blue , I think  ???
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Luckie Stiff on May 29, 2008, 10:30:05 AM
Trade you an 84 Tahiti for it
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on May 29, 2008, 12:29:34 PM
did you even put a wrench to it?
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: 2savage4you on May 29, 2008, 12:35:58 PM
Becoming the regular ol' 2Sav are we? Buy sell and nothing runs  ;D


Doe's anything run in your drive way ???

2sav
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: pw_Tony on May 29, 2008, 12:40:47 PM

Doe's anything run in your drive way ???

2sav

Hell yea, boat don't run though, that will change soon with a mighty BBF  >:D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2008, 04:23:05 PM
The boat sits the way I bought it besides some trailer work. Also comes with brand new stainless impeller
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2008, 04:49:46 PM
Trade you an 84 Tahiti for it

Leave the tahiti the way is site and come get it.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Luckie Stiff on May 29, 2008, 04:55:43 PM
Leave the tahiti the way is site and come get it.

huh?  ???
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2008, 05:01:00 PM
huh?  ???

Leave the Tahiti as it sits (motor etc) and come get it.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brendellajet on June 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Hopefully the mold has a Bennett bottom on it. All the fast Hondo Jets have one thing in common...Post pics when its done, would love to see it.

If anyone wants anymore pics of this thing let me know, I've got a lot of them. Really clean boat that doesn't need very much.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: HDriderTH on June 02, 2008, 08:40:39 PM
That IS one nice ass JB.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: BOOST on June 02, 2008, 09:33:58 PM
Leave the Tahiti as it sits (motor etc) and come get it.
Ill give up my Hondo for yours
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 02, 2008, 10:10:40 PM
Come get it if its running and I can take it to the lake.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
Im going to put this on Ebay for more $$$ soon if I don't get any interest or trade offers
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: pw_Tony on June 03, 2008, 03:28:32 PM


(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl132%2Fswat2380%2FBrendellaBottom.jpg&hash=4ec5bd4285d9fc87e06e7b03e1468e21d7eb3206)



That picture makes me feel better lol. I just spent hours removing the delta pad on a Hondo, not positive if it would help or not. But this one doesn't haven't the Delta so maybe I am going in the right direction  ;D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: beerjet on June 03, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Ill give up my Hondo for yours
Dont do it sucka . The brendella is nice , but not that nice .  :-\

-beerjet-
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2008, 03:44:15 PM
Omar you aren't helping me sell this boat....And this Brendella is that nice, I bet its probably the nicest boat on these boards.. Have you seen it????
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: 2savage4you on June 03, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
Omar you aren't helping me sell this boat....And this Brendella is that nice, I bet its probably the nicest boat on these boards.. Have you seen it????


No offense , but you need to look at more pics.......there are some really nice boats here...

Including your's of course ;)

2sav
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2008, 04:12:48 PM
I agree there are really nice boats on this board. That is why I said its "probably the nicest". Im not getting into a pissing match but I would never post something like Omar did when someone is trying to sell something.

Hell the price I am asking just covers the work Jack McClure did to the pump. This boat has 4x the $$$ I am asking invetsed before thinking about putting a motor in it.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: 2savage4you on June 03, 2008, 04:25:16 PM
I agree there are really nice boats on this board. That is why I said its "probably the nicest". Im not getting into a pissing match but I would never post something like Omar did when someone is trying to sell something.

Hell the price I am asking just covers the work Jack McClure did to the pump. This boat has 4x the $$$ I am asking invetsed before thinking about putting a motor in it.



Agreed, Pissing matches are for children.......... All Omar did was state an opinion, you should take life a little easier ;D And we all know the $$ we put into our toys is a loss to begin with..

 I wish you luck in the sale, let me know if you get what your asking for on Ebay.....   Cause i will list the Bahner and buy a turn key boat ;D I also feel my boat is the nicest one here to..............Because its mine..

Good luck to you...... ;)

2sav
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 03, 2008, 05:22:20 PM
Omar you aren't helping me sell this boat....And this Brendella is that nice, I bet its probably the nicest boat on these boards.. Have you seen it????
kinda cocky for a boat that doesn't run :-\
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2008, 05:27:19 PM
kinda cocky for a boat that doesn't run :-\

Good luck getting any help from us with your racing now.....

 I have more motors,blowers, and setups that you can imagine. I can get this boat up and running this weekend if wanted. I just don't list any stuff over here anymore cause nobody seems to buy stuff around here. Im not being cocky but if someone makes an offer on a piece and its not yours then stay away from it.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: pw_Tony on June 03, 2008, 05:34:41 PM
Good luck getting any help from us with your racing now.....


 ???
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: OC2Vegas on June 03, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
I just don't list any stuff over here anymore cause nobody seems to buy stuff around here.

I disagree.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 03, 2008, 05:51:29 PM
Good luck getting any help from us with your racing now.....

 I have more motors,blowers, and setups that you can imagine. I can get this boat up and running this weekend if wanted. I just don't list any stuff over here anymore cause nobody seems to buy stuff around here. Im not being cocky but if someone makes an offer on a piece and its not yours then stay away from it.
lets look at the pm you sent me
Hey Ralph,

  I don't know if you have been reading my posts but I am partnered up with Hondo Boats. I have talked to Brad and I am gonna advertise on SoCal and probably do some sponsorship stuff to get the name out there.
Since you are a force to be rekoned with in CJ I want to stick a
Hondoboats.com sticker on ur boat and help you out with parts for yout race boat and family boat as well. We don't stock alot of Ford parts but I can get it all at dealer cost and pass that along to you. I can help with all the little parts,(gauges,plumbing, whatevers) as you need them and maybe some fuel costs entries or whatever. Let me know if there is any interest and if I can help save some $$$$ on parts. If you were a Chevy man I would have oodles of stuff for ya right now. Ide have ur boat in triple digits.

 Let me know
  Jason
i told you what i needed, gas money to get to burley. did you come through? no, not even a reply. go blow smoke up some one else's ass ;)
i dont need your parts to win, I've already proved that!! I'm glad the people on the board are getting to see the good business man you are. Customer relations is every thing and as far as im concerned maybe you should leave that to your partner.

good luck with the sale of your boat it is worth every penny you are asking. ;)
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 03, 2008, 05:52:41 PM
Good luck getting any help from us with your racing now.....

with that kinda childish statement, i dont think he wants yours or hondo's help now, i wouldnt. Just how deep are you in with Hondo? deep enough to making calls like that?  :sly: If ya got something to bring to the table with hondo, then bring it. Last I heard was you were told what was needed and there was no responce.

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I have more motors,blowers, and setups that you can imagine. I can get this boat up and running this weekend if wanted. I just don't list any stuff over here anymore cause nobody seems to buy stuff around here. Im not being cocky but if someone makes an offer on a piece and its not yours then stay away from it.

youre starting to sound like a guy who used to be on this site   ....i have more.... i can get....  (anyone want to help me with this one?)

people do buy stuff on this site all the time....yeah, parts might not move here as quick as they would on ebay, pb, etc....thats why people cross reference stuff to these sites. im sellin some parts on ebay and theres a few people from this site bidding on my stuff.

whats even more awesome is the generosity that goes on around here where people give each other parts,  drive to eachothers places for help, etc. fuckin amazing comrodery that goes on around here.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: pw_Tony on June 03, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
fuckin amazing comrodery that goes on around here.

Cept for one person  :mad: Sorry I'll leave it out of this thread
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Blue on June 03, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
The way I look at sales and online talk is this....

Posting online is no different to me than talking in person.

What Omar said is no different to me than walking up to a guy in my garage looking at my boat and telling a guy exactly what he posted. If someone had a trade or sale deal going online I wouldn't make a coment like that..

I have sold 2 boats on here and some parts and always dealt fair and have positive dealings with anybody I meet. You guys have a "crew" on this sight that work and see things a little different than "outsiders" do... Sure go ahead and have eachothers backs I don't give a f**k but many who come to this sight as "outsiders" don't seem to hang for very long..

 As for my involvment with Hondo?? Well we are working on partnership papers and I am taking over there retail building. I am looking into helping racer's with sponsorship's and funding certain events. You guys don't seem to know how to deal with companies looking to help and get serious with racing. Hell I offered to help this roundy round shit a long time ago and got no response. Actaully after asking some questions about some business on this sight all my posts got deleted.

 I am glad you guys think online talk is "online" talk. To me it is serious and making little coments and shit are no different than saying them in person.

 I bet Ralph would not have said that if we were in person and I was going to write him a check or help him with some parts....

 Good Luck guys go ahead and delete my post I don't give a crap
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 03, 2008, 06:29:53 PM
The way I look at sales and online talk is this....

Posting online is no different to me than talking in person.
 I am glad you guys think online talk is "online" talk. To me it is serious and making little coments and shit are no different than saying them in person.

 
jason, YOU came to me and offered and didnt come through, and that as you say was online talk. what happend? ???
.

 I bet Ralph would not have said that if we were in person and I was going to write him a check or help him with some parts....
 
you dont know me very well ;)
good luck with your endeavors at hondo, Brunt racing has not and will not accept any support from you or Hondo boats
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Luke Jivetalker on June 03, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
Blue-

Talk minus action equals ZERO! I'm not sure what happened in your pathetic life to make you think you need to come here and pat yourself on the back by spewing utter bullshit about how fast you're going to go, how you're partnering up with Hondo, etc, etc, who gives a flying f uck? obviously not anyone on this board. You've done ZERO in my eyes, you gave up on the Tahiti, Skip has the f ucker on the lake and now you want to trade him for it back?! You spouted on and on about having 750 HP in the Brendella so you could "whoop up on all the berkeley boys" all you've done is TALK, too f ucking much if you ask me. Get off the computer and SHOW us something, until then please grab a fork & a big bag of dicks.

So let's review

 TALK
-
ACTION

ZERO
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 03, 2008, 06:37:06 PM
Actaully after asking some questions about some business on this sight all my posts got deleted.

i dont recall deleting any posts.....are you sure about this? i even looked through the 'black hole' where i send posts/threads and didnt find any of yours. ???

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I bet Ralph would not have said that if we were in person and I was going to write him a check or help him with some parts....

you obviously dont know ralph.

there are plenty of new people here and we are welcoming to all of them....yes, we bust eachothers balls amongst our 'crew' ....because if we did that to everyone, someone would eventually get their feelings hurt. This is the second reference in a few days i have read where people said theres a 'clique' here. I personally dont feel like there is one. i think the door is wide open and inviting to all to join in at the races, events, conversations on the board, etc. Now how other people see it I would like to know and if there is anything I can do to make your SCJB addiction more pleasant, shoot me a PM. I am always open to positive and negative critisism. I dont know unless you tell me.

Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 03, 2008, 06:45:08 PM

 I bet Ralph would not have said that if we were in person and I was going to write him a check or help him with some parts....

 
just for clarification, when i went to buena vista and saw the Tahiti you sold Skip, i told him i was glad he got it and not me.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: bkplesh on June 03, 2008, 06:54:15 PM
The click is the circle racers.  Brad, Ralphy and Beerjet. >:D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: bkplesh on June 03, 2008, 06:55:37 PM
oh ya,   me and warlock too (outboard guys)  >:D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: OC2Vegas on June 03, 2008, 06:57:03 PM
I just don't list any stuff over here anymore cause nobody seems to buy stuff around here.

I have sold 2 boats on here and some parts.....
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: bkplesh on June 03, 2008, 07:05:02 PM
Omar you aren't helping me sell this boat....And this Brendella is that nice, I bet its probably the nicest boat on these boards.. Have you seen it????
I think this was a bold posting! I don't think it is (nicest boat) IT is a very very clean boat!!! Plus I don't think I would want to go 100+ in that boat. But that just me.  O0
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: bkplesh on June 03, 2008, 07:07:21 PM
I think very one needs to relax a bit.  Also people are so quick to judge> (me too) >:D
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: GlassCutter on June 03, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
I first came upon this site 14 months ago. Since then I have met Brad and Omar and maybe one other person face to face.  So what I know of the people here is only their internet personas (sp).  I agree there is a lot of "ball busting" and verbal jousting.  I don't see it as any different than a locker room at the gym.  I also agree there is a tremendous amount of time and energy spent helping out folks that need help.  I still consider myself a "newbie" here but I feel much more welcome here than HB, PB, or anywhere else.  I lurk a lot in other sites but I rarely post because all of these other sites seem to be one big clique and not very tolerant of outsiders.  I am sure in person they are all just regular ole river rats but the sites just don't seem very welcoming.  Hats off and beers raised to you Brad (and everyone else).
Blue, don't get all butt hurt cuz someone voices an opinion on your boat.  No one is not going to buy your boat because of Omar's opinion (sorry BJ).  Most of us are adults here and can make up our own minds about stuff (except 2Sav n Rod>:D). Clearly your boat is worth more than you are asking, let it speak for itself.  I read many more positive comments than negative ones, that speaks to the quality of the peeps here.  Good luck with the sale, someone is gonna get a real nice ride.
And as long as I am on my soapbox -- I don't think I would want to do 100 mph in any boat with no cav plates.  Sorry that's just my opinion and its worth exactly what I was paid for it.
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: beerjet on June 03, 2008, 09:38:46 PM
WOW WOW WOW !  :D  I have never seen the brendella in person but since you did AQUIRE it from someone else whom I've only seen sell/own super nice stuff , I will assume it's as nice as I think it is and well worth what you want for it .

On the other hand , I have seen Brian's Hondo and it's got an ass kicker of a motor and the entire boat is super fukin clean . Brian keeps some super clean shit . So clean that I dont think (boost) should trade you . You would be ripping him off in my eyes . That is just MY opinion and just like Glasscutter said , My opinion isnt goin to sway any possible buyers .

I spoke with Skip breifly about the brendella and MY opinion was that if I had room (cuz I got the money) I would own it . I love that boat , I always have . I'm too deep into experimenting with mine , I will not turn back .

You dont know any of us and you definatly dont know Ralph  :D cuz you never made an effort to meet any of us . I've met lots of folks on here and it wasnt just at the roundy rounds , some of us also meet up at the drags at Ming and at the river . Normally I would apolagize for making a comment and hurting someones feelings , but I think I'll pass this time .


Good luck selling that gorgeous boat that is well worth what you got it up for .

Can I get a buuuuuuuuuuuump !

-beerjet-
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Marcsrollin on June 03, 2008, 10:02:49 PM
I was gonna buy it till I read beerjets post! ::) :screwy:
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brendellajet on June 03, 2008, 10:03:31 PM
Just for clarification this boat is capable of a hundred safely the way it sits. Turned an MPD B 5700...do the math. To help it go faster it does have the cav plate recesses from the mold available for installation of the plates. This particcular boat came with aluminum blanks installed in the recesses however. This hull is capable of the 110 -112 area. I wouldn't try going any faster than that(actually I wouldn't try over 100, its fast enough)

I think the boat is really nice, but I think I am a little biased. Maybe not the nicest, but one of the cleanest. Boat was built with one thing in mind, hauling ass, thats it. Whoever buys it will get a nice boat that doesn't need a lot of work to be on the water.

And for whoever asked, this boat did have a delta pad. Was removed in the interest of speed and pump loading.

Some miscellaneous pix:

Delta pad removal by Bennett.
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Impeller
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If anyone has any questions about the work that was done, feel free to give me a call.

Brian
949-838-5303
Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brendellajet on June 03, 2008, 10:08:08 PM
pic of bilge. Jason did not buy the alternator/ignition mount, but if someone wanted I could fab another one, still have all the measurements and template.

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Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: slideartist on June 04, 2008, 12:08:06 AM
Hello Brian
Ur boat is bitching.....I'm looking for a jet to go circle racing with, how would this boat perform as a circle racer?? Particularly how well would it take to rough water  conditions and also how well would the boat negociate turns, it obviously has the goods to go fast and straight.

My personal email is cmunk705@yahoo.com

Christian
415 999-5446

Title: Re: 1977 Brendella (Hondo) Pantera
Post by: Brendellajet on June 04, 2008, 01:52:33 PM
Thanks, but the boat belongs to Jason now, so to be proper, his boat is bitchen, I agree though. O0

Boat loves chop, if you have the cahones to keep your foot in it. The keel on this thing is about an inch thick, so its ready to take a beating. As far as turning circles, check out the Hurry Round Hondo boat from years past. This is that boat less the t-deck, its one of the more popular hulls for circle racing, atleast historically. Im sure others will argue a liberty is a better hull, probably is, but this hull has a pedigree of its own that is not too shabby. If I was going to race circles, Id go with the stacked tanks, and any of the other necessary hardware.

If you have any questions about the hull please feel free to call me at the # I listed.
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