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16ft Open Bow Project
« on: February 18, 2013, 11:21:35 AM »
I thought I'd start a topic on my boat project.
I'm one to do things differently, and this boat project is no exception.

My previous power boats have been outboards, but this time I want a jet boat.
I like to beach my boat and go into shallow water, and I want a nice swim platform in the back this time.
But also have kids and want an open bow. 
Not many of those with jet boats.   
Given the boat sits 99% of the time at my house. I didn't want too big of a boat either.

I'm also a cheap do-it-yourself bastard.  I picked up an 16ft open bow 1981 Marlin with 4-cyl I/O,
and decided to make this my jet project.  Sold the engine and outdrive for more than I paid for the boat,
and have allocated a meager $1,000 to build the jet version.

So cheap, fast, easy, pick two --- the two are cheap and easy.  Only looking for 40mph.

Anyway enough for now, I've been collecting parts, but the build won't start until spring.

Cheers,
JackB
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 02:03:50 PM »
Welcome-

Set-back pump, for (more) interior room, 4.3 V6 & 'C' impeller ~50 mph, depending on the shape of the bottom of the boat.

The project sounds ambitious. Good luck. Need pics...

Daniel

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 06:30:59 PM »
My first boat was an open bow marlin. I never threw a tape measure on it but I thought it was 17'

Need pics.

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 10:02:07 AM »
I think the v6 Marlins were bigger, I haven't actually found much info on the hull, but no matter,
it won't resemble the original boat when I'm done.   O0

Making room for people and not the engine is a big issue.  Outboards are ideal in this regard.
I bought a 12JF insert pump, so the jet is moved back quite a bit. 
The pump looks to be in good shape, impeller has no nicks etc, no noticeable shaft play,
but how can I really tell if its good?  Should I dismantle it to check it out?
The tag says it has A impeller if still original.

I've been considering many different engines.  A bought a rx7 12A rotary I wanted to use,
turbocharge it,EFI, but in attempt to make things easier, I bought a Subaru EG33, flat 6,
that should work with stock efi, no turbo.   The flat 6 might make it possible to put seating
on top of it.  maybe.  :screwy:

pics?  hull is in storage at present, but pic before parting it, the pump and eg33 pics for your visual enjoyment.  :)





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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 10:45:07 AM »
Mine had a 3.0L Chevy with Merc's smaller outdrive. I actually miss that boat, would've made a great fish killer and run on 20 bucks worth of gas for a day fishing.

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 11:05:42 AM »
I think the v6 Marlins were bigger, I haven't actually found much info on the hull, but no matter,
it won't resemble the original boat when I'm done.   O0

Making room for people and not the engine is a big issue.  Outboards are ideal in this regard.
I bought a 12JF insert pump, so the jet is moved back quite a bit. 
The pump looks to be in good shape, impeller has no nicks etc, no noticeable shaft play,
but how can I really tell if its good?  Should I dismantle it to check it out?
The tag says it has A impeller if still original.

I've been considering many different engines.  A bought a rx7 12A rotary I wanted to use,
turbocharge it,EFI, but in attempt to make things easier, I bought a Subaru EG33, flat 6,
that should work with stock efi, no turbo.   The flat 6 might make it possible to put seating
on top of it.  maybe.  :screwy:

pics?  hull is in storage at present, but pic before parting it, the pump and eg33 pics for your visual enjoyment.  :)







You are going to have some difficulties using that pump. These pumps utilized a mold insert.

Curious to see how your going to get this done.
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 03:11:40 PM »
Time to get back to this project!
Trying out positioning of the jet.  I assume that I want the ride plate level on the same plane
as the bottom of the hull, is this right?

And as has been pointed out this is an insert jet.  I have not seen any pics of them closeup how
they are installed in OEM configurations, anyone have some pics?
Is it important to be able to remove the jet?  Can it be serviced while still in the boat,
or must it be removed?  Is a press needed to get out the shaft bearings?
Thanks for any help, I have almost no experience with jets, but I will by the end of this project! :)

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 10:22:33 PM »
Cut hole in perfectly good hull, then made that big hole even bigger with a router.
The board to fill it slips into the routed slot. 
It seems from other posts I've found that the pump should not be mounted straight with the keel,
but angled up 5%, that is about what the existing transom angle is close.
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 10:35:42 PM »
Have the fiberglass work for the jet install pretty much done, just need to drill all the mounting holes,
and some painting.
It turned out I needed another 5 degrees of angle when I measured it, so I added some wedges to the mount.

Picked up a grate and made the mount for it from some 1/8in stainless steel plate I had on hand,
as the start of the input tunnel construction.   Used some thick fiberglass pieces from an old jetski hull
as the top and side peices, and epoxy/glassed it all.  Here are the pics for your viewing pleasure? :)

I've gone back to the Mazda 12A twin turbo rotary engine plan, the flat 6 engine is just too wide,
and I didn't want any more work having to cut up and reglass the sides of the engine area.





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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 02:16:14 AM »
Slow progress on this project!
I've been building the twin-turbo 12A rotary engine.  Never built a rotary before, and it took 4 tries to get the seals right,
but finally got it, now holds 14psi in the water jackets.   Still fabricating the twin turbo exhaust manifolds,
here is picture of the early going. 

But have taken a break from the engine work, and wanted to finish the hull repaint.
I've stripped all the stuff from the hull, removed all the decals and sanded it.
Now I need to paint it.   Here is what I'm thinking for the design.  Basically going orange black and white as the theme.
Got some nice burnt orange vinyl to accent my seats that I will be making.

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2013, 09:17:53 PM »
It will be interesting to see how this combo will rpm , rotarys :screwy: love to rpm make hp but no tourqe so I guess if you keep the boat light this thing should fly !
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 09:50:06 PM »
nice color theme.  consider using a blue or neon green pinstripe to break between the colors.  it works well. 
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 08:48:27 PM »
The boat paint job is pretty much finished.  Pics below.
I took the advice and used some blue metalflake as border around the black squares,
and liked it so much I made the middle squares blue with black border, and added the blue strip above the rubrail.

I'm redoing the trailer now with bunks instead of the rollers.  Just painted it orange today.
I need to replace a couple of the square ubolts for the leaf springs, any suggestions on local sources?
I can order online some SS, but need to get the trailer back under the boat tomorrow.

Also included a pic of the twin turbo setup.   As it is now the fall, I'm most likely not going to do any more
work on it until the spring.

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 10:31:42 PM »
great before and after on the boat paintjob!  loving the progress so far.
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2015, 10:41:08 AM »
So I'm finally back to this project, trying to get it functional.
I've put aside the rotary, and will be putting in the all-aluminum 3.4L Sho V8 instead.
Was hoping I could get the stock computer to run it, but no luck, so I'm now doing my own engine controls.

What makes this interesting is now I don't need to use all the stock parts, so I'm going to change
the intake manifold to a set of 8 velocity stacks.  :)

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2015, 09:38:18 PM »
Why did you pass oh Tyne rotary
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2015, 03:00:32 PM »
So I'm finally back to this project, trying to get it functional.
I've put aside the rotary, and will be putting in the all-aluminum 3.4L Sho V8 instead.
Was hoping I could get the stock computer to run it, but no luck, so I'm now doing my own engine controls.

What makes this interesting is now I don't need to use all the stock parts, so I'm going to change
the intake manifold to a set of 8 velocity stacks.  :)

How much did you get the 3.4L for?
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JackB

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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2024, 10:02:50 AM »
Wow, can't believe I started this project in 2014, so it has been 10 years now!  And I still have the boat and it still doesn't have an engine in it.
I am determined to get it working for the spring of 2025.  Was even hoping to get it working this month, but the Ford 3.8 V6 I picked up to use turned out to have no compression in 3 cylinder and had bad valve guides. They are 200hp and compact and light.  But no time to fix it.

My current plan is to put in a W8 engine from a Passat I picked up years ago.  It was for a Porsche 914 project, but I have sold that car,
and can't think of anything else I can put this engine in.  Being they are at this point very rare engines with no parts available, seems ideal for a boat that is not run many hours a year, so it should last a long time.  And they look awesome with the big fat cylinder heads and had a great F1 kind of v8 sound.  275hp.

I am thinking of two different issues.  The first is the coupling from the jet to the flywheel.  I have a u-joint coupler that came with the jet.  It seems it is very heavy duty. I want to move the engine further back and the "driveshaft" moves the engine forward a good amount.
I am familiar with jetski's couplers, they are much more compact.  Was thinking maybe they can't handle the power, but I looked at the newer yamaha ski's with 300hp and they use the same style of couplers.  The other idea is to use the driveshaft coupler used in a BMW, 
Any input on these ideas appreciated.

The other thing is I want to eliminte the alternator and starter on the engine, and replace it with a single motor like a hybrid system does.
I have the generator motor from a prius and am looking into attaching it on the jet input, so make the coupler on the jet side also a motor/generator, that can spin the motor to start it and also work as an alternator.  And it could also add power on takeoff for a short time.

Anyways, it may be I can't get going on this until next year, but I've got the boat all cleaned up and can do some work on it now.
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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2024, 05:30:25 AM »
Cool project! I?ll be looking for the updates.


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Re: 16ft Open Bow Project
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2025, 03:35:58 PM »
Thanks for the interest.  I found an all-aluminum $200 5.3 LS4 out of a MonteCarloSS, so that is my current plan.
Life has really prevented this boat getting done so far, but have new shop now and it needs to get done.
I'm wondering how to get the water cooled exhaust for the LS and hoping I can use the 455 manifolds I have.
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