SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Projects => Topic started by: oldmxdog61u on June 10, 2010, 03:33:00 PM
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Hi-
newbie here. Great forum by the way. I have been looking for something like this site when I started thinking I might buy another boat "someday".. But I digress..
I have a chance to trade out a vintage race bike for a Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser with a zero hour , blueprinted 455 olds, w/berkeley pump AA impeller, nice clean Tandem axle trailer, new Bimini Top and mooring cover. My question is- is this a good first jet boat? Its been years since I had a boat (the 70's to be exact) and my wifey is saying it looks like fun. Especially when I see your website and the get togethers you all have. If the deal is done, I plan to use it for the several local lakes (Roosevelt, Canyon mainly) and hope to make the river and powell some day. Its just my wife and I (and our rottie Loretta) so space isnt that big a deal, but it looks like it has lotsa room anyways.
Any thoughts on is this a good fit? The guy is second owner, best friend owned it prior for 17 years) the guy takes good care of his stuff. Being an old prop guy (at best) what should I be asking? what should I be looking for? The dang thing looks clean as a whistle to me. My plan is to get a test ride and look for leaks of anykind a generate a list of gotchas (like the missing pitot tube for the speedo).
Thanks for the help!
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Can I go on the test ride also? :thumbup: No, My lil brother will stay home.........
I loved my Biesemeyer 21'. Solidly built, Roomy, plenty of seating. Was easy to drive and chop/wakes didn't affect it at all! Had actually bought it's replacement, same 21' Biesemeyer, but had it sold before I got it home. Didn't find another, so in true SCJB form, I buy a 26' "SS Minnow"........ :screwy:
Post some pics up, but I think I know which one you're buying, I've been posting that around here a bit. ;)
You'll love that Bieser! But particular to them, check for soft spots on the floor, particularly near the rear jump seats. 2 Biesers and one Sleek I looked at last summer had cracks clear through the hull right about midship along the inner strakes. just something to look at/for while it's on the trailer. You're fairly local, I found OC2's engine in your hood actually, I don't mind looking at it with you.
Ray
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wow, thanks! I sure could use some more experienced help checking her out. I know bikes pretty much, but jet boats zero experience (outside of throwing up over the transom of a few in high school at saguaro lake). I plan to go saturday around noon and the current owner is willing to go to take a run on it (pleasant) and show me how everything works. The one I am looking at is on craigslist, all white hull, listed at $3900. Is the the one you know about? or is there a better deal out there for this hull/motor? The Beismeyer cruiser appeals to me as a good hull for what I want to do and the cariety of consitions I may encounter crusiing. Current owner says trimmed she will g0 60+. Without GPS who knows, I just want the ride.
Let me know how to get in touch, and thanks!
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Yeah, thats the one! There was another one also, with blue and woodgrain on it. 60 is very possible if the equipment he has on it is accurate..
Can't do Saturday, but before you go, crawl under it and look for cracks on the inner side of the strakes, then jump up and down on the floors, particularly in the back. If that checks out, take it to UnPleasant and drive it like you stole it...... >:D
Oh, and take pictures! Even if some of this doesn't pan out, the boat is probably still worth the money.
Ray
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Screw that ! Let's see pictures of the bike ;D There will always be another boat to buy.
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sure, how do I post em? I can shoot a few, like 1980 MAico 440 and 490 (Magoo replica), the 86 cr250, or my current squeeze a 1980 yz125.
I may even have pics of my 1974cz400, but thhose are hard to look at as I still miss that tractor...
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I may even have pics of my 1974cz400, but thhose are hard to look at as I still miss that tractor...
Now why would you do a dumb thing like that? ;D
http://www.socaljetboats.com/the-no-wake-zone/how-i-spent-my-weekend/msg128434/#msg128434 (http://www.socaljetboats.com/the-no-wake-zone/how-i-spent-my-weekend/msg128434/#msg128434)
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Well, I got a good price for it and was able to put that back into my two 1980 maicos (one 450, one with the 490) which I was racing at the time. Plus, my lower back was not taking the pounding of that whopping 4-5 inches of travel like it used to. As it turned out, about two seasons later I pounded my back one too many times and was out for 18 months with sciatica from hell.
Went thru rehab three times and finally got back to racing, but thats another story. How do I post pictures here? I have them on my desktop here at work, but cannot find the magic key to post.
ps- nice thread over there.
meanwhile, check this out... www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxISzWQc-tU&feature=channel
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Heres some help with the picture posting
http://www.socaljetboats.com/suggestions-support/picture-posting-instructions/ (http://www.socaljetboats.com/suggestions-support/picture-posting-instructions/)
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1975 was a fun year... as is my current squeeze (1979 yz250)
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my 1980 yz125 still rips....
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PM sent cuz the guys aren't quite ready for SoCalVintageOldBikes&Shit.com just yet. ;D
So who wants to talk Beezers . . .
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I was looking around for a list of what to look out for when checking out a boat for purchase. Any ideas? Anything special to this model or engine? (thanks for the floor damage idea). It has redone captains chairs and the wood was replaced in the back bench as well.
Thanks guys
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Not only are you making me miss my Bieser, now you're making me miss my 78 YZ125........Got a crank around for one perchance? Maybe I can put that pic back together...... :thumbup:
Bad ass bikes bro! Glasscutter will now ride you forever on the CZ deal tho.... :sly:
Ray
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well-
went and looked at the beiser. Mechanically it looks well cared for, and the motor is indeed fresh. Overall mechanically (and electrically I climbed under the dash and prodded around the wiring loombs etc) the boat looks sound. Visibly the boat is pretty "used" looking. The gel coat is gone, thoroughly oxidized (owner says he has sanded it back three times already, original gel coat) and the front deck rail is removed and the holes filled with sealer (you can still make out the old mounting places- not blended or painted over). The upholstory is all faded and stiff, and the rear engine cover deck is yellowed and cracking. The carpet is servicable. Current owners says it isnt pretty but everything works and has been maintained. So If I hear and read correctly elsewhere here a simple paint job will cost anywheres of $800 on up. Simple durable Upholstory another $800 (two captain chairs, rear bench and deck cover). So for my base of $3500 plus the makeover I would have about $5500 (incidentals). Is that really a good deal in your opinion? or shoudl I take my theoretical $5k and put iit down on something someone alse already has everythikng p[retty much "done"? I know a boat is never done, as its like my race bikes (never fast enough, never enough suspecsion work, need that billet whatever...).
Help?
Also, anyone here know of a good boat for sale?
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http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1780707119.html
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I think you are underestimating the paint by half, not to mention the labor and time of pulling everything apart. If it was me I would look elsewhere but I know many folks here would feel differently. The Beezer name does carry a certain cachet but I don't know what that is worth to you.
Obviously any guy who parts with a CZ has questionable smarts. :screwy: Sorry I had to . . . >:D
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Obviously any guy who parts with a CZ has questionable smarts. :screwy: Sorry I had to . . . >:D
Told ya! :screwy:
Yeah, it depends on whether you're sold on the boat and how well you like it. I agree you can do better, all a matter of time looking is all.
No matter what boat you buy, you're gonna wind up with more money in it than it's worth, so might as well get something YOU like.
I paid right around that for my old Beezer, probably in similar condition last year. And we all know what happened to THAT investment...... :banghead:
Ray
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Ray I want you to know that I tried really really really really hard but . . .
Hey MxDog, he is a real nice guy who has too many boats. I KNOW Ray would make you a smokin' deal on his Beezer .
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Ray I want you to know that I tried really really really really hard but . . .
Hey MxDog, he is a real nice guy who has too many boats. I KNOW Ray would make you a smokin' deal on his Beezer .
YEAH! All streamlined up, all the unnecessaries removed, just needs a little drying off, might still include a hydraulic Place Diverter, one HOT boat, Turqouise metalflake on the bottom, flames on top,............. :screwy:
Ray
Good luck on your search, I'll keep an eye out for ya MXDog! ;)
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thanks! Looking at several options. 18-21ft, 454, 455, over/thru transom, etc etc.
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http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1780707119.html
Nice!
Will see first thing in the morning!
Keep you posted. I may be seeing you on the river sooner than I thought...
regarding the cz...
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LMFAO !!! You posted that pic 25 minutes ago and I'm the first one to look at it. That is classic Czech engineering there, right down to the rubber band return aid on the brakes. Gotta luv it. I so would have wanted to be in the room when the engineer tells the production manager, "Yeah we are gonna hold the petrol tank on with a leather belt" :o Thanks for posting. :thumbup:
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LMFAO !!! You posted that pic 25 minutes ago and I'm the first one to look at it. That is classic Czech engineering there, right down to the rubber band return aid on the brakes. Gotta luv it. I so would have wanted to be in the room when the engineer tells the production manager, "Yeah we are gonna hold the petrol tank on with a leather belt" :o Thanks for posting. :thumbup:
He's gonna tell me to STFU, but again, I warned ya!!! ;D
You're probably gonna be ridden about this as bad as Flytime is since he sold his Jet Boat..........Just sayin' ::)
BTW, did find a nice Charger, I own one I haven't seen yet, lol. Told only you and Flytime about it here locally.(Now everyone knows) Other than the engine, and price, could be a smokin boat! I imagine the guy could be talked down a LOT!!!
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1787427120.html (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1787427120.html)
Ray
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Nice!
Will see first thing in the morning!
Keep you posted. I may be seeing you on the river sooner than I thought...
Cool, there are quite a few boats in the Phoenix area on craigs right now. You can get a lot for your budget! Beat the guy down as much as you can, and dont be afraid to walk away. Theres a lot out there!
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Now that boat has Bob written all over it. Running that AMC would be like penance he owes the Jetboat God's wouldn't it ? Surely that boat could be had for $3700 dontcha think?
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I think you are underestimating the paint by half, not to mention the labor and time of pulling everything apart. If it was me I would look elsewhere but I know many folks here would feel differently. The Beezer name does carry a certain cachet but I don't know what that is worth to you.
Obviously any guy who parts with a CZ has questionable smarts. :screwy: Sorry I had to . . . >:D
I think you are right. Besides, the warden said when I am I going to come up with all this time to redo a boat when I have tow bikes scattered cross the garage, the tractor apart for a steering gear, the lights out on the arena, and when am I going to start building the block fence?
SHE says buy one turn key. Gotta love her for that!
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Thanks for the lead...
is an AMC a decent marine conversion? (I think "pacer" when I hear AMC). What are the downsides to the open bow? The warden wants a fast boat (she says) with room for six. heh heh! Right on!
SHE says no more projects as I have two bikes scattered across the garage, block work to do, need to fix the tractor and fix a,b and c.
Gotta Love her.
Anybody wanna go see the Tahiti or give me some pointers over the tele? 3307915area623
Thank you!
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I would stay away from the SB AMC. Not going to be enough power for that big of a boat with the open bow.
And the guy is over priced!
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hi-
went to see the 82 Tahiti w 454 and was really impressed with the condition, the owner, and the options on the boat.
As in.... I bought it. As soon as I get some pics I will post em!
Thanks here to the forum for the rapid education gleaned from prior posts and the help from yous who helped me get to boat much quicker than I thought I would.
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Uh, pictures. It will soon have a new Bimini.
Cannot wait to get this wet this next week!
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ps, the red frame cz400 in all its restored glory. Check it out. Thats trick. Now, I wonder how much it will take to get the Tahiti up to CZ speed! Hmmm. wonder if I should porcupine the heads on the chev...
;D
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Thats awesome, Congrats. Glad I could help find you one that will get you on the water quick! :thumbup:
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Thanks!
Supposed to pick her up thusrday after a lake ride check. Owner is going to the lake and will take me thru everything particlular to this boat. CHeck doesnt cash until the boat hauls a$$ so to speak.
Thanks again!
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Congrats on the new boat! Hope it all goes well. I'm sure I'll see you this summer.... :beer:
Just found this too BTW.......... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/1789988360.html (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/1789988360.html)
Ray
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There is one of the big boys parked on my street this week. Appears to be 23-24 ft. I didn't know Biesmeyer made Sleekcraft Executive-type cruisers. It's got the side sliding windows AND an open bow with an upholstered snap on pad covering it for lady lounging. Very nice condition, very ugly brown paint. Outdrive.
No Ray its not for sale. Last year he had an blown alcohol flatty but he isn't a very friendly sort so I don't have any details on either one.
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Glasscutter-
check out the redframe in my prior post.
So many boats, so little time. I cannot wait to give the Tahiti a run this week.
Any suggestions on where to purchase a complete Bimini set up?
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Plenty around, but theres a lil shop a couple doors down from my lil brother's machine shop in Tempe that makes custom ones. I'll text him for the number if I can't find the card in the truck. He wanted to do one for the Moo, but just no way to secure one on that thing when down, and looks rediculous on it....... :screwy:
Ray
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thanks! also, at work we do biz with several machine shops here in tempe, we could always use another trusted shop! I might be able to hook them up with more biz.