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frankloc

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new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« on: December 12, 2009, 11:59:16 AM »
hello everyone out there. im new to this site. i like it very muchee. well i bought this boat in 06 finally started workin on it. redid the carpet. got the pump made 4 a smallblock chevy 383 strocker that i was gonna put in my 1980 cheyenne shortbed sold it due to smog laws. its a 383 400 crank probe pistons bored 60 over world heads 202/160 64 cc castiron comp cams hyd1800 to6000 in.274 ex286 @ 50 in.230 ex 236 w/1.5 rocker in. 490 ex. 490 lobe sep angle 110. edelbrock rpm air gap intake holley 700.msd ready to run dist ignitionbox w/rev limitor. boat came with no motor pump or mounts. it sits on a dual axlr trailer with buddy brakes and the tounge of the trailer swings. i got it for $2000 from a friend @ work. i know your supposed to put a big block in a get. but i have my strocker ready to go. dont have enough cheddar to put a BBC. IS THIS ENOUGH POWER TO GET MY BOAT MOVIN? I WILL POST PICTURES OF MY BOAT N MOTOR SOON. IF ANYBODY HAS FAITH IN SBC PLEASE HELP ME I REALLY WANT TO GET OUT ON THE WATER THIS SUMMER. THANKS
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 02:42:24 PM »
Theres a lot of jets out there with SBC and SBF (but who would want the SBF). You have plenty of power to get that boat moving.  If you get it out on the water and you dont have the power you want....Well, thats what blowers are for!

We must have pictures!

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Nordie

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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 02:51:03 PM »
started building a 385 stroker for a boat, but never finished that project...i would say if you had the jet set-up probably for the sbc then you should be ok...one of my concerns is that you built this motor to run on the street throwing it in a boat might cause some problems as jet-boats and boats in general are a little different...you should be running a little more tolerance/clearance in your motor...sounds like you put a froged piston in it too which is a good thing, but and fyi they expand alot from heat especially in a jet motor and the possibility of locking it up is there...sounds like a good project anytime i hear sb in a jet i get all excited because i am a small block fan...i know josh at jet boat performance is running a sbf in his beezer, and that puppy runs
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 05:19:53 PM »
Welcome to SCJB

Nordie is correct about tolerances being a problem if the engine was built as a street engine.  Is it a fresh build or does it have some miles on it?

Good luck with the build, and we always like pics
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 08:31:14 PM »
Welcome aboard, I am a huge small block fan, but gave in to peer pressure LOL.. :D

As for the clearance deal, my solution would be to put a water pump on the engine with a thermostat kit and you will be golden....

Let me know if you need help with this, I have the parts in the tool shed to get this done, there are a lot of these setups out there so don't laugh... ;D  $150 in parts will keep you from tearing into a fresh build.... ;)

BTW, Pics or it didn't happen  :sly:

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 08:31:04 AM »
thanks alot so 60 over is to muchee? so what kind of water pump do i need? i have an edelbrock victor jr would that work? im also savin up some $$$ to buy some basset twisties. how would i do the plumbing on it? a diagram would help?
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 10:57:28 AM »
welcome :thumbup:
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2009, 01:04:51 PM »
here ya go

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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 06:34:34 PM »
thanks guys. the water pump that i need to use is it a cam driven pump? i took some nice pictures today but i must be doin somthing wrong cause they are not showin up  :banghead:do i need a crossover with thermostat w/bypass aswell or do i use a t valve? motor has never bin fired needs to hit the dyno??? lets see if i can get those pictures up.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 07:11:46 PM »
thanks guys. the water pump that i need to use is it a cam driven pump? i took some nice pictures today but i must be doin somthing wrong cause they are not showin up  :banghead:do i need a crossover with thermostat w/bypass aswell or do i use a t valve? motor has never bin fired needs to hit the dyno??? lets see if i can get those pictures up.

No, not a cam driven deal, just a normal automotive short water pump, it would be a good idea to put a stainless backing plate on the pump, (I have some) but regular old pump and a T-stat housing with a water inlet and a circulation hose, trust me they work, your motor will run 160* from the second it warms up...

You will end up using the T-stat housing as everything....inlet, outlet, header water, T-stat and crossover (actually the water pump takes that position)...

Pics maybe tomorrow of what you need... ;)

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 07:19:39 PM »
i have a housing water pump, and hoses for a sbc boat app
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 07:42:36 AM »
awsome guys thanks how much 4 parts? so i can still use my victor water pump? im trying to save as much $$$ as i can. ya i like pics to ill try to have them posted by today. thanks guys man i love this site.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 09:36:30 AM »
No problem I have a marine omc water pump and thermostat housing...ran it with a edel. Torker2 with no problems to speak of...it isn't the prettiest piece but with some paint you won't notice it really it was also ran with headers, and all that and worked great...just make offer I'll see if I can pull up any pics when I get home or I'll take some
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 10:27:18 AM »
Did I miss something? If this is a jet boat he's talking about, why the hell does he need a water pump?  ??? ??? ???
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 11:06:51 AM »
cleareance issues.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 11:22:28 AM »
cleareance issues.

Seems to me it'd be a lot easier to disassemble the engine and achieve the proper clearances than it is going to be to keep a rigged up water pump system working right, how do you plan to regulate the temps? Radiator?
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 12:03:52 PM »
funny v-drives, and i/o's have water pumps...wouldnt make a difference really...seen a few water pumps on jet-boats...also pops engine builder out of oregon told me the exact same thing...said if you were to run a water pump you wouldnt half to worry about clearance issues vs the aspect of a non waterpump normal jet set-up...i left it at that and never asked for more, but im sure glenn would no in detail why...the engine builder cant remember the name of his shop was the one to explain this, and i guess he is a prominant engine builder for these marathon sprint boat types of companies...believe he is out of medford area
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 12:17:16 PM »
V drives and I/O's require a water pump because they lack the jet pump. The jet pump is a more than efficient way of providing cooling water to the engine. 

Can you explain to me why a water pump, or lack of one, has any bearing on bearing & piston clearances?
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 12:19:32 PM »
no i cannot, but it probably has something to do with the thermostat housing itself, and the waterpump working in conjuntion...
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 12:22:07 PM »
The only thing that would be different is the GPM of the water flow through the block, and you can control that with a regulator. I still say it's easier, cheaper and better to just do the engine right. Otherwise dude will be back here in 6 months crying about a blown engine.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 02:30:38 PM »
I got lost there real quick too Skip!  :) Thanks for explaining it, kinda, guys. Actually putting my brain into action (a rare occurrance) on this, and kinda makes sense to run a water pump/t-stat in a way.

Gonna think about this for a bit, but intruducing the water from the jet at the tstat housing, and hooking the headers and o/b dump there also is going to starve the engine of water until the t-stat opens (assuming the block IS full of water to begin with, if it isn't, the t-stat will NEVER open, it's at the highest point on the engine cooling system so the block needs to be pretty full less expansion).

That would be my only real concern as I see it right now. I would probably tap the water from the jet into the rear water jackets in the heads and run a pressure releif valve off the jet as well. But then the headers are gonna run dry until the t-stat opens as well. maybe run the header T off the jet drive as well and push in from the back of the cylinder heads? Brain may fry on this one! (How to bleed the air out of it?).

Good food for thought though! Great excercise!

Ray
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 03:28:27 PM »
it really isnt that technical fellas...if i can figure it out anyone can...i remember opening up my motor, and she was always full of water...hence winterizing...especially waterpump apps...my waterpump boat ran very similar to the jet with a waterpump...guess more along the lines of a car motor...water in the headers was always spot on, but there wasnt a thermostat in there come to think of it...i had an enter and exit gate valve as well im guessing the presence of the waterpump is helping to prevent the hot and cold spots in the block...which seems why alot of us leave more tolerance...idk i could probably get the jet guys number that knows this and ask...or wait for glenn to chime in
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 03:56:09 PM »
Still a bunch of horse shit that you don't need to mess with, do it right, the first time.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 04:41:21 PM »
so what is the right the first time?? its wut i got and no im not using a radiator. thanks alot for those of you out there trying to help me its greately appreciated.
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Re: new project 74 kona bubbledeck 18'
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 05:16:11 PM »
so what is the right the first time?? its wut i got and no im not using a radiator. thanks alot for those of you out there trying to help me its greately appreciated.

I'm trying to help you, simplicity is your best friend. The difference in clearances between street engines and marine engines is about .005 on your piston to cylinder wall, and .002 on your mains. If you just had the thing built then it's not a big deal to open it up and get the proper clearances, hit up Engine Doctor on here. He'll set you right.

Good luck, keep us posted.
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