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GeneralLee

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2010, 05:52:11 AM »
Dood I need that guys number, I want him to put my boat together for next season...it'll be ssooo fast and badass hehehe. What a dumbfu*k!
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sandeggo

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2010, 07:45:12 AM »
What a bummer. I would say you could try going the legal route but I doubt you would ever see a penny
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2010, 08:06:27 PM »
I was thinking about small claims but I'd have to either do it in AZ or Mississippi...which is more effort than it's worth...and I'd never see a penny, so screw it.  I'll make the best of what I've got and hope his house burns down.  I think that's my best bet.
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IRRebel

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2010, 08:15:06 PM »
I was thinking about small claims but I'd have to either do it in AZ or Mississippi...which is more effort than it's worth...and I'd never see a penny, so screw it.  I'll make the best of what I've got and hope his house burns down.  I think that's my best bet.

Karma is sometimes its own reward, Pat. I'd just leave it be. Been there, done that. Only boat I've bought that was what it was represented as was Moo. "Blowed up engine, but complete, freshly built pump, lots of new parts" if I remember right. PO is excited as hell his old boat was in a magazine, lol.

You still have a sweet, and VERY unique boat to build, so stop bitchin' and get on it!  >:D

Ray
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pure ndn

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2010, 08:25:30 PM »
i got a friend that finds deals like this all the time hes getting tierd of that kinda shit to i feel for u man
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GETTIN EM WET

lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2010, 10:16:53 PM »


so stop bitchin' and get on it!  >:D

Ray

If I can move some of my parts it'll be on the water within a week.
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2010, 07:16:57 PM »
There, that's better.



All Cleaned up.  I'm going by the machine shop tomorrow to do some cleanup on the heads and pick up some bearings and gaskets, then the motor goes together hopefully tuesday.  I've got a bit of glass work to do in the pod area and fill some holes in the stringers/floors, then slap it all together and wire it.  I'm hoping to have it running by Friday and make it to the river for the CP regatta.
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GeneralLee

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2010, 08:57:41 PM »
Came out clean....do not paint the rails and get a little buff job on her shell be a sexy little number.
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sandeggo

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2010, 09:00:53 PM »
Looks good dude, I'll be out this weekend, holler if you need anything
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2010, 09:35:01 PM »
Looks good dude, I'll be out this weekend, holler if you need anything

bring a rope
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propless

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2010, 10:53:27 PM »
  Looks good Pat,  glad to see the fishin boat seats are gone.  ;D
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Welcome to the club of broken boats :o  Pay here$ bend over and move along.

sandeggo

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2010, 11:04:09 PM »
bring a rope
better yet I'll put my ski tow on
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2010, 02:56:56 PM »
Of course...I'm running into problems.  Par for the course with my projects.

I ran by my machine shop to drop off the heads to get flat milled to 112cc and have them cleaned up/gone through, and while I was there I grabbed a set of x bearings off the shelf to start setting up my main clearances....I started at the front.  All went good except #4...had to do some work on the backside of the shells to get me where I wanted to be, and then the rear main...measured at the back of bearing I had 0.0041...OK...fine.  Move forward to measure the front of the bearing and I see .0063"..

Whisky....Tango....Foxtrot?   :sly:

Threw in a different bearing, same thing.  Took the bearings out...same spread front to rear. Started drinking at this point and kicked some stuff around the garage in frustration.  After several more beers and trying to figure out what I'm seeing here, I flipped the cap over and inspected it very closely..there's evidence of line honing on the front of the cap, but not so much towards the rear...indicating that maybe, a piece of crap was under the cap when it got line honed the first time a couple years ago, and I only measured the bearing at one spot when I built that motor...so I never noticed it.  Well, now that the cap is mating correctly to the block and not tilted, that opened up the front of the cap...Fawk.  It's already been align bored once...and the rear cap doesn't fit as tight as it once did, so this block is trash.  Dammit...it had a perfect bore to fit the .030 pistons I already have too.

Grab the other motor with the crap bore, and pressure washed it, then threw it on the stand and measured up the mains...they look good.  no more than about 0.0002 taper from the front the back of any of the mains.  Threw some bearings in there and checked my clearances....all look good with X bearings.  Brought that block down to the machine shop yesterday and as luck would have it, he has a set of the pistons I need sitting on the shelf...for the low low price of about $600.  It should all be done by Friday and ready for me to assemble this weekend.  

It's only money right?

Stupid boat :banghead:
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sandeggo

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2010, 08:26:26 AM »
Just think about the finished product bro. It'll be right and clean in the end.
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GeneralLee

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2010, 09:05:40 AM »
Godamnit, your bringing me down with this negativity. I'll have 200 for you on sat for the bbc parts so don't worry those pistons will only be 400 hehe.
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65BEAVER

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2010, 05:56:36 PM »
That block can be fixed with align honeing it. Cut the caps down and hone it no biggie. Since it's been bored once it might get a .005 over chain set.
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GT Jets

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2010, 07:22:27 PM »
That block can be fixed with align honeing it. Cut the caps down and hone it no biggie. Since it's been bored once it might get a .005 over chain set.


Or a Jesel... >:D  It's only money...Obama is printing more every day  :screwy:

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

IRRebel

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2010, 08:00:35 PM »

Or a Jesel... >:D  It's only money...Obama is printing more every day  :screwy:

GT

LOL! You should be fine with those suggestions, I would think. I, thinking out loud here, would probably have the bottom of the block decked a couple thou and the caps a couple, then a line hone. Careful cam degreeing (Offset keys, etc) with a good roller set SHOULD be able to offset the .004" to .005" difference between the cam and new crank centerlines. How accurate can those centerlines be to begin with, really? Always gonna be play in the timing set, else you'd never get them on by hand...... ;)

Ray
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farmergord

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2010, 10:29:05 PM »
Bust
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2010, 11:11:20 AM »
That block can be fixed with align honeing it. Cut the caps down and hone it no biggie. Since it's been bored once it might get a .005 over chain set.

Yeah...well...it's already been done (poorly) once...and a 0.005 short chain is sloppier than I'd like it to be.  It really needs a .010...but as luck would have it, nobody seems to have any.  I solved the problem by throwing the block in the trash...since the rear cap didn't fit tight anyway.  

I got the mains set on the new block this morning...I'm .0032-.0035 on 1-4 and .004-.0044 on the rear...LOL, can't get away from that taper on the rear main.  Oh well, .0004 taper is better than 0.002 taper...I can live with it.  Then I flipped the block over to clean the bores up with some solvent and get ready to gap the rings...and noticed the rather course finish on the deck.  My guy measured it up at Zero with the pistons I'm using, so he said he didn't deck it....except for the existing deck looks more like the surface of a file, which I don't think will seal for shit against an MLS head gasket, so back to the shop it goes.  So much for getting the motor done and in before momma comes home next week with our son.

Oh well, I guess I can hang the pistons and figure out the rod bearings this weekend.
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2010, 11:16:40 AM »
LOL! You should be fine with those suggestions, I would think. I, thinking out loud here, would probably have the bottom of the block decked a couple thou and the caps a couple, then a line hone. Careful cam degreeing (Offset keys, etc) with a good roller set SHOULD be able to offset the .004" to .005" difference between the cam and new crank centerlines. How accurate can those centerlines be to begin with, really? Always gonna be play in the timing set, else you'd never get them on by hand...... ;)

Ray

See, I got spoiled once, my first car..72 El Camino.  I had pulled off the extra crap since it was now smog exempt and nobody had told me about that bolt hole near the fuel pump on the SBC that goes through to the crankcase...so I was chasing the oil leak.  Ended up pulling the motor and doing a oil pan gasket, timing cover gasket, main seals and while I was in there...I threw in a new chain.  This new chain was tighter than a guitar string once the cam bolts were tight.  Ever since then, I get pissed every time I snug down a cam pulley and see the chain with slop in it.  That old 2bbl 350 ran like a raped ape with that nice tight chain.  That point is moot however, since another thing nobody told me about was burping cooling systems, so I prompty overheated it and cracked both heads the next day.  The automotive learning experience was not nice to me. 
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65BEAVER

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2010, 05:08:20 AM »
Are you torqueing up the oil pump when checking clearance? On a stock bbc cast cap it's around. 0004-.0005 difference.  In a situation where 4 are close and 1 is off its no problem to get a flat piece of metal (thick) and some 600 grit and sand and check a few times.  I know the hole is not exactly round but they never are anyway when you check clearance near the parting line.  I've done this on 100s of times on up to 100 thousand dollar engines and never had problems.                                                                                       
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2010, 08:38:25 AM »
Yep...torquing the pump down.  Tried a couple different sequences too...snug the cap, torque the pump, torque the cap....torque the cap, then torque the pump...nothing really changes too much.

I'd rather have .0005 taper on the barrel than a hole that's not round.....I think.

I dunno, what's better?  at only 0.0005....does it matter?  I'm running the rear main around .004, so I think that's enough to absorb either condition really...

I'm seeing lots of minor taper..even on the rods.  Every rod seems to have 0.0002 from one side to the other with the bearings installed.  I dont' really care about 0.0002", but I find it a bit strange. 
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lbhsbz

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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2010, 03:38:35 PM »
I've officially fired my machine shop...

The heads didn't get milled down to 112cc, they didn't finish the chambers properly when they did the repair, and they didn't deck the block...because nobody thought to look at it, therefor nobody noticed that there is no way in hell that it would seal against the gaskets that I bought from them. 

I've had problems before...and I'm done now.  My block is down at another shop actually closer to my house that came highly recommended.  We'll see what happens.

Anyway...it seems as if I've pissed away just about all the money I have to piss away on this thing...and it's nowhere near completion.  This may become a winter project...it'll give me some time to get some money together and finish it right...hopefully.
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Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2010, 04:08:15 PM »
I've officially fired my machine shop...

The heads didn't get milled down to 112cc, they didn't finish the chambers properly when they did the repair, and they didn't deck the block...because nobody thought to look at it, therefor nobody noticed that there is no way in hell that it would seal against the gaskets that I bought from them. 

I've had problems before...and I'm done now.  My block is down at another shop actually closer to my house that came highly recommended.  We'll see what happens.

Anyway...it seems as if I've pissed away just about all the money I have to piss away on this thing...and it's nowhere near completion.  This may become a winter project...it'll give me some time to get some money together and finish it right...hopefully.

when your done f cking around you can just send it to a&d engines here on the boards and be done with it ;)
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