SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Projects => Topic started by: Jetboatunderground on April 02, 2010, 08:01:23 AM
-
Hi I am new to this site. I recently picked up a Sanger Super Jet and plan on hitting the river a bunch this summer. But first thing is first, she needs a face lift to get back in the saddle.
here are a few pics of when I picked it up in January.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0115.jpg&hash=118a618e778a18f0a6afd9521eee346d20e42f8a)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0114.jpg&hash=3f121b67ad40e16385503c13439de939665b65e5)
first test run:
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0039-1.jpg&hash=3498c2e02d697628127b72e2926f9f42bf336ca9)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0037.jpg&hash=afd44875c815c4a242a10d76b44fc2e316e6d415)
-
I will post more pics soon, It was a decent start, at one point someone put some time into it but we all know what it is like to hit the water with an "unknown" I plan on cleaning the whole thing, Trailer and all.....
Maybe even a few upgrades...
-
Nice boat :thumbup:. Maybe it's just the pics, but I'm having trouble finding anything wrong with it?
-
Nice boat :thumbup:. Maybe it's just the pics, but I'm having trouble finding anything wrong with it?
x-2
-
You gotta love those Sangers.
Pete
-
That boat looks great :thumbup:
-
Welcome to SCJB ;D
Nice float. I have to agree, not seeing much need in a face lift.
Unless you are planning on becoming part of the farm animal group ;)
-
good looking ride, so how did run for the first time?
-
nice boat welcome but I gotta agree looks like not much needed :thumbup:
-
good looking ride, so how did run for the first time?
It ran good. Sounded crisp and clean. According to a iPhone gps it ran about 65mph i dont know how accurate that is but it sounds about right.
-
the boat is in real nice shape but it has several things that could be done better. Wiring, plumbing and clean up work. I took the motor out and started to clean the hull. I am not in love with the motor mounting system, it allows for too much movement and the pan is touching the hull.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0332.jpg&hash=e9e3384a93c1e39ace41fcc084b4bf668fce8522)
-
anyone have any photos or tips on cleaning up the wiring? It seems like most of these things were slap stick together without a whole lot of thought behind the electrical. It has the typical wire junction on the back bell housing and a remote solenoid hanging off it somewhere. Looks like someone threw a wire bomb in the back of this thing.
-
You could start by removing all the hardware in the bilge area relocate the fuel pump pull out all the wire from that mess and run it on the left side of the boat up under the gunnel
-
You could start by removing all the hardware in the bilge area relocate the fuel pump pull out all the wire from that mess and run it on the left side of the boat up under the gunnel
yeah that photo was last week, I gutted everything and am starting over. I am making a plate that will mount by the battery and it will hold the breaker for the alternator, remote solenoid and the MSD box. I think I have a good game plan but want to hear and see what else has been done out there.
-
I sent you A PM with some pics on how I did my wiring.
-
That looks great, There is nothing worse than having an electrical problem on the water then when you look into it you cant figure out what is going on!
Thanks
-
That looks great, There is nothing worse than having an electrical problem on the water then when you look into it you cant figure out what is going on!
Thanks
how about one that sparks a fire? Nice float, btw. I am putting a 79 Super Jet back together now and love the paint scheme on yours!
-
All of these old Sangers popping up are making me envious, love the style of the old Sangers.
Nice job, Underground of jumping in head first and really getting to know your boat inside and out.
Welcome to the site, also. Most everyone here has excellent advice to offer based on their own personal experiences. Boost is a great person to listen to and use as an example, as I'm sure you could tell by his hardware. Good luck in the clean up and on a successful boating season!
-
took out the carpet today and found the floor was in real nice shape. The seat bases are a little rough and were breaking away from the floor so I will make this where I start putting everything back together. I plan on remaking the bases this week and laying new carpet. I will send more photos when I get more things done.
I am waiting on a ton of parts from Jet boat performance so this project will keep me busy till I get them.
I also found out that the bow is filled with spray in foam, Is this something I should leave or take out? The reason I ask is the Brendella boat project on this site, the owner mentioned taking it out. Love to hear some feedback on that topic-
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0238.jpg&hash=9f38d4612468000202e8aa29fd10cbb4123250cb)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0237.jpg&hash=0a9fb573a01074b34a29908d5d7a7c595f9a62ef)
-
I also found out that the bow is filled with spray in foam, Is this something I should leave or take out? The reason I ask is the Brendella boat project on this site, the owner mentioned taking it out. Love to hear some feedback on that topic-
Welcome Jetboatunderground, and nice find. Those Sangers are great looking boats.
About my Brendella and the foam. The reason I'm so set on removing it is because the bulkhead is broken and needs to be replaced anyway. Plus I suspect the foam has soaked up alot of water over the years. When I picked up the boat it was sitting (outside uncovered) with the bow down. The cracking around the bulkhead would have let water get under there to the foam. And the Bow is really really heavy. After time the foam can absorb water like a sponge, it turns into a nasty, smelly, heavy mess. If nothing looks cracked around your floor or bulkhead, I would leave the foam alone for now. It will help with floatation and adds some support. The foam is not a bad thing as long as its still dry.
-
I had a 76 brendella bubble deck that was an exact splash of your sanger. It had no foam. im suprised to see you only have 1/4 stringers mine had full length 1x3 springers. man I miss that boat but I mushroomed a couple valves in the engine and put my foot through the sub floor within seconds of eachother and took it as a sign to move on. let me see if I can find a pic of her
-
at lake shasta like 5 years ago
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi52.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg22%2Fgbrmotorsports%2Fboat1.jpg&hash=454bc44260cb9372d8543de0aa300759a7ec483e)
-
at lake shasta like 5 years ago
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi52.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg22%2Fgbrmotorsports%2Fboat1.jpg&hash=454bc44260cb9372d8543de0aa300759a7ec483e)
Shasta is only 26' from the spillway......... 8)
Nice rides fellas....
Jetboatunderground, Its April bro, best get crackin....Looks good :thumbup:
GT
-
I'm lovin it! Great boat! Outstanding condition really, love the lines on it! Fell in love with OC2's Sanger when it was here. Made plenty o' plans for that boat if he didn't want it, lol! Kinda hoped he didn't!
Speaking of which, is that thing ready for water yet!?! :screwy:
Ray
Oh and Welcome BTW.... Sorry I was late to the party on that!
-
Sweeeet looking boats, Nice sleek lines and colors :thumbup: good luck and keep us posted. Roy
-
I had a 76 brendella bubble deck that was an exact splash of your sanger. It had no foam. im suprised to see you only have 1/4 stringers mine had full length 1x3 springers. man I miss that boat but I mushroomed a couple valves in the engine and put my foot through the sub floor within seconds of eachother and took it as a sign to move on. let me see if I can find a pic of her
All the superjets are 1/4 stringers
-
All the superjets are 1/4 stringers
Thats interesting I wonder why brendella went with full stringers on there splash
-
I had a 76 brendella bubble deck that was an exact splash of your sanger. It had no foam. im suprised to see you only have 1/4 stringers mine had full length 1x3 springers. man I miss that boat but I mushroomed a couple valves in the engine and put my foot through the sub floor within seconds of eachother and took it as a sign to move on. let me see if I can find a pic of her
The Brendella bubble deck was not a splash of a Sanger. The Sanger is wider, has lots more room, and a different bottom. The Brendella did (from what Ive seen) use the same (or very similar) bottom as the Hondo and Cole T decks though.
-
interesting. I was always told splash of a sanger and have had it next to a couple on the water and they looked identical. But I trust ya.
-
Ever hear of any issues with the 1/4 stringer Sangers? It seems to have a pretty stout floor...
-
Ever hear of any issues with the 1/4 stringer Sangers? It seems to have a pretty stout floor...
You should be GTG, the Sanger hulls are built plenty strong......They are heavier than a full stringer deal making them ride better and a bit stronger IMO...
GT
-
X2 , Haven't heard of any issues with them, plus yours looks like its in really good shape. So don't worry about it.
Just for motivation, heres a pic of a friends Sanger from last summer. ;D
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff97%2Fpropless%2FPICT0007-1-2.jpg&hash=26a6e4073fc37568b86d6fc2a438697572029646)
-
Check it out, I made a new seat base out of the composite wood, It is a lot stronger, wont rot but it does way about 3x's as much as the wood one that was in its place. What do you guys think? I am obviously trying to add as little weight as possible if any at all, but this thing will last forever....
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0240.jpg&hash=fa04328e1afb62f9e32f978732f061483ebf8984)
-
i like it.
-
got the bases done, made some aluminum brackets and plan on glassing them into place tomorrow.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0253.jpg&hash=608c5ecd44637830cefa0206d834f4d714c768f3)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0254.jpg&hash=c32abba1792076d732c48b2278182b1b2b9ad3a4)
-
It was like christmas morning today when I got home, I got a load of stuff...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0251.jpg&hash=114bba6e806659b78ee33147fbc9ed3c14cdf6d2)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0252.jpg&hash=fcc417fb9b8680126720757ef7ea7039b7ea2603)
-
just a thought, if you glass the wood directly to the hull it will eventually crack the hull.
-
just a thought, if you glass the wood directly to the hull it will eventually crack the hull.
I am not glassing the bases into place, I am glassing the aluminum into place. Then the bases will screw fasten to to the aluminum. Where I am glassing the brackets is not on the hull but on the floor. The reason I am not screwing it to the floor is I dont want to penetrate the floor and allow water to get to the wood and sencond I dont know how thick the floor is right there. I would be really pissed if I screwed into the hull.....
-
I am not glassing the bases into place, I am glassing the aluminum into place. Then the bases will screw fasten to to the aluminum. Where I am glassing the brackets is not on the hull but on the floor. The reason I am not screwing it to the floor is I dont want to penetrate the floor and allow water to get to the wood and sencond I dont know how thick the floor is right there. I would be really pissed if I screwed into the hull.....
Making some good progress sounds to me you have it all under control ;)
-
I am not glassing the bases into place, I am glassing the aluminum into place. Then the bases will screw fasten to to the aluminum. Where I am glassing the brackets is not on the hull but on the floor. The reason I am not screwing it to the floor is I dont want to penetrate the floor and allow water to get to the wood and sencond I dont know how thick the floor is right there. I would be really pissed if I screwed into the hull.....
If I may be so bold, If I were you, I would prime the bare aluminum with some zinc based primer, it used to be a perfect job for zinc chromate, but hard to find these days...Aluminum oxidizes at a horrendous rate and I think if you are going to attach glass directly to the aluminum, you may have issues...
Another thought might be to just glass some hardwood blocks to the floor an bolt to those, fiberglass resin does not stick too well to bare aluminum...The blocks might be less work...I do totally agree with not wanting to drill through a good floor, if you do, seal the holes up very well with a marine grade caulk, not silicone. :thumbup:
Another little tidbit, make sure the aluminum is really rough before priming it so there is more surface area for the resin to soak in to...
Project looks badass, never though of using composites before.... 8)
GT
-
been busy getting stuff done, here is the trailer from paint. I got it all put back together and the boat back on it.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0256.jpg&hash=8bbacb6eac772e4922f5e2e11e8c299704c93e0f)
re-made everything out of trex rather than wood.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0262.jpg&hash=32b7894ea1cf3e712bdf03c7fdf567b9407984b8)
-
got the last of the stuff I was waiting on
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0258.jpg&hash=117e29fe56ad9f0f807cc22ed9ba38deab3e8d74)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0259.jpg&hash=c6236194675bac816d3c779ef60588f08ebdf2be)
-
engine went in on Sunday...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0263.jpg&hash=24db7aadb10e8e081dccbecf1bfac44bbff32414)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0267.jpg&hash=4b158d75d8827abd27b5ea83101d26e30e35ac60)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0268.jpg&hash=62ba1471a20e54f4261c3dd93fd0b231cd74a3f2)
-
Looks great! I love that coil cover! Little banquet to add a touch of class! Reminds me I need to get off the computer and get something done on this boat.. :-\
-
Looks really really good man, nice job!
-
got a bunch done over the weekend. I forgot to take pictures until i was done. here is a hit list of what got done:
ran all control cables
mounted throttle, place and forward reverse
laid carpet
carpeted new seat bases
90% done on re-wiring boat
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FIMG_0282.jpg&hash=5ebca1c334052b2ef71340b39a3dea2e5f7d2bfb)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FIMG_0283.jpg&hash=e4c5c5100564de7283dda8a27b6ec8c562c55155)
-
I will get more this week as I finish some things up.
I am going to seal up the holes on the back of the transom where the old cables came through. I am now just going over the top of the transom. Any one out there have any thoughts on that?
-
looks great :thumbup:
-
made some new fuel tank brackets, the old ones were hacktackular!
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0286.jpg&hash=21954b116a866a5cf4bfb5943496db8332d3ceb0)
-
got my tanks back from the polisher, they look real nice! everything is coming together in time for river season
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0436.jpg&hash=d4573f28dcc1ca7427334bdee73b9ed978b2506f)
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0439.jpg&hash=cf72aea6edf5bcc500edd73fe777d110d7b44d93)
-
I will get more this week as I finish some things up.
I am going to seal up the holes on the back of the transom where the old cables came through. I am now just going over the top of the transom. Any one out there have any thoughts on that?
Ran my PD cable OT on Pickle, works fine. Steering cable I don't think you can, but f/r you should be able to on the Sanger. Just make sure they stay away from the headers.......
Ray
-
got the electrical 90% done, here is a photo of the work...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0468.jpg&hash=870222f8f19abd1abeb4f2f2e44a7156fc06c31a)
wire harness to engine...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0469.jpg&hash=b83d1522aef8ef8cf57d10591da0af303296100e)
maybe not the best location for the fuel pump but if figure if that much water comes in the boat I have bigger problems...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FDSC_0470.jpg&hash=4108ef9650019e2d6b5a568c0bc0dc02e73e2735)
-
just need a little refresher,
When hooking up the starter from the remote solenoid there is the large wire to turn the starte and also a smaller wire to engage correct?
-
You did that old boat proud bro... :thumbup:
FWIW my MSD and relays are mounted exactly like yours.... 8)
As for the solenoid....One large lug goes to the battery, the other large lug straight to the starter motor, the "S" goes to the ignition switch and "I" goes to the ballast resistor or "+" side of the coil if resistor is used, if not resisted, leave empty...
If one of the smaller terminals says "G" it needs to be grounded, they made them both ways... :screwy:
GT
-
got the cables all installed tonight. Put the bulkhead cable seals in from JBP. I like them, they look great-
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0295.jpg&hash=79f8391e6035fdcc91ed52450c68c5043f01b383)
tied everything up nice and clean-
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0294.jpg&hash=70bec70f188f1c8aec4223fda79310bd090539ee)
-
i want a pole, stacks or scoop. I think the stacks are different and would be a cool change but what do you guys think?
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw123%2Fporkersracing%2FSanger%2FIMG_0296.jpg&hash=8204947fea8de68e14743844cb55a5c77a9c8723)
-
stack it
-
stacks :thumbup:
-
Any updates? I'm diggin these Sanger rebuilds and need inspiration.
-
stacks. :thumbup: 8)
-
awsome ride, i love that color scheme and lines of that ol gal.
is that the gel or paint??
btw just new to this site but i would like someone to comment on putting all elct. stuff from engine area half or more above above compartment area, just an idea, gas fumes settle n that just makes me nervous.( seen a few boat fires.) :beer: