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Title: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jet boat performance on January 26, 2008, 09:45:14 AM
RE Rods project

It's a 1978 Pioneer 19' Mach 1 Tunnel Hull, former drag boat. Here's some pics

I cooresponded with Rod this week and thought I'd impart this Info " Rhonda and I bought our first Jet in 78' week quickly became friends with the local Hot boat crowd which included Steve Hall of Pioneer boats . Pioneer was located about 100 yards from where JBP is now in Atascadero if fact the paint, striping ,lettering and interior work were done by a guy who once occupied one of my upper shops . Steve built nice looking high quality 18's, 18 Sprint set backs ,19's and 20' jets (Very similar to the Southwinds and Eliminators of those days, a few IOs and in the "gas crunch years" some 12 footers with Tihatso (sp)O/B's. Pioneer built a few "Rag hull" jets in the late 70's that ran very well ,one belonged to my B/F Greg Stark  called "Squirtin for certin" and was CJ record holder for a time .Pioneer went out of business in the mid eighties for reasons I wont devulge. The Pioneer molds and name were sold to a guy in nor cal who continued to build boats for a few more years. To the best of my Knowledge he never built a tunnel as Pioneer (Hall did work for a couple other socal builders however)

Re Mach 1 ,Rod I have little info as yet William may Know more ,this id what i've been able to find so far  Best regards Tom

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr319%2Fjetboatperformance%2FMisc%2Fmach1.gif&hash=aa9f1d821296fd9bcedd686120a17c119d56dec7)
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: Blue on January 26, 2008, 10:01:10 AM
I grew up on a Pioneer boat named the BlueNun hence my screenname since I am always looking for that boat. They are great built boats and handle very well. I heard they wen't out of business for splashing another brands hull and making it a little to well and costing someone some $$$$?????
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jet boat performance on January 26, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
Blue all that and due in part to some of the expensive popular "social habits" of the times too .Boy did we have some parties ! Rhonda and I are digging thru (of all things floppies trying to find so pics) I don't recall blue none, but all Steves homies call their boats  "Country cookin" ,country this and that etc Blue nun used to be one of Ro's weapons of choice till I made a beer drinker out of her  We'll post some pics if we can find them
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 11:06:04 AM
Very cool Tom, thanks. So what happens when we know for sure that Pioneer never made a Mach 1 tunnel hull?   :o  Anything you can come across as far as info would be awesome. Thanks again, Rod.
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jet boat performance on January 26, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
Rod The MIC (coast guard ) site has an a$$ load of "custom marine" mfg's not sure which or who yet ? Tom
http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_search_results.aspx
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 12:06:38 PM
I was talking to someone on the phone and they were asking me about my boats title. So I went and looked at the title and somehow the word Pioneer got dropped when I registered it under my name (when I bought it). The paperwork that came with it wasn't a title, it was something like "filing for a duplicate title and transfer of ownership" or something like that. That paperwork said the builder was Pioneer Mach 1, however I just looked at my title and it lists the builder as Mach 1. ? ??? ? Maybe the guy didn't know what the lost title stated as the builder and when the DMV registered it under my name it went with what was originally on the title that was lost?

I changed my sig accordingly.   ;D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: jet boat performance on January 26, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
Rod The MIC (coast guard ) site has an a$$ load of "custom marine" mfg's not sure which or who yet ? Tom
http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_search_results.aspx

I'm trying to figure out how to use that site... still working on it...  :-[
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 12:08:03 PM
I'm trying to figure out how to use that site... still working on it...  :-[

Got it. According the HIN, first 3 letters are CFZ, CFZ stands for California Homemade Boats, maybe someone splashed a Mach 1? Lost the original HIN? It's stolen?


 Details for Manufacturer Identification Code CFZ

MIC:
 CFZ Status:
 Federal or State Agency
Company:
 CALIFORNIA HOMEMADE BOATS Company Official:
 
Parent Company:
  Parent MIC:
 
Address:
 MIC FOR STATE ISSUED HINS City:
 
State:
 CA Zip:
 
Country:
  Phone:
 9164459657
Fax:
  In Business:
 
Out of Business:
  Date Modified:
 
Type:
 Miscellaneous Additional Address:
 
Comments:
 
 
 
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: bkplesh on January 26, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
find my buddy http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_detail.aspx?id=ISO

Good thing I didnot go into bussiness with him >:D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: bkplesh on January 26, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
find my buddy http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_detail.aspx?id=ISO

Good thing I didnot go into bussiness with him >:D

Thread jacker   ::)   :D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: bkplesh on January 26, 2008, 03:55:32 PM
Quote from: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 03:47:34 PM
Thread jacker   ::)   :D
Sorry about that. didn't mean too. Rod just get off me, Brad did thing same thing, so get on him >:D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 07:18:49 PM
I called the phone number above (9164459657), but there was no answer. Maybe on Monday during work hours they'll answer.   ;D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 26, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
This site gives years and models made by Mach 1. They only produced jets in 1978 according to this web site. Helps to explain why very very few are out there.
http://www.iboats.com/Mach%201/bp/20br1262

Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: just squirtin on January 27, 2008, 09:05:28 AM
hey rod =that is a sacramento area code=i could check on it if you like
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 27, 2008, 09:08:13 AM
Quote from: just squirtin on January 27, 2008, 09:05:28 AM
hey rod =that is a sacramento area code=i could check on it if you like

It just kept ringing so it's not out of service. But there's no telling if it's the same person that has the number. I'm going to call it on Monday again. I'm not sure what/how else the number can be checked but if you've got a plan - run with it.  ;D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: just squirtin on January 27, 2008, 09:11:23 AM
ill see if i can come up with anything
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: BAE 557 on January 27, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
I have a 1980 19' XST Tunnel , the first 3 letters of the HIN are HTB, which the following link says it is made by Mach 1 Boats.

http://www.state.ak.us/dmv/dealer/pdfs/babmak.pdf (http://www.state.ak.us/dmv/dealer/pdfs/babmak.pdf)

-William
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jet boat performance on January 27, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
Thanks William ,It'll help him find the "roots" Htb is one on the list that came up under Custom craft as well  http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic_search_results.aspx   Rod if you want document everything then send it /take it to CA Dmv they may allow you to  do an "affidavit" to get your title changed to read correctly  Tom
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jim brock on January 27, 2008, 07:31:42 PM
i had a 1976 mach 1, it didn't have any numbers on it as it was a race boat, Ross Wilder did the mach1's,later  redid the bottom and called them Wilder Craft the same deck was used,
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jet boat performance on January 27, 2008, 07:35:32 PM
Jim didn't you once tell me you had an Allusion tunnel too ?( or had the mold or ??) Tom
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 27, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: jim brock on January 27, 2008, 07:31:42 PM
i had a 1976 mach 1, it didn't have any numbers on it as it was a race boat, Ross Wilder did the mach1's,later  redid the bottom and called them Wilder Craft the same deck was used,

Any pictures Jim? Please  ;D
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 29, 2008, 12:37:52 PM
No answer on that phone number (916-445-9657), just rings and rings and rings... I did a google search on the phone number and the number actually does have something to do with boats still. The number is for the "San Francisco Estuary Project, The Scoop On Poop"  :-\   http://sfep.abag.ca.gov/programs/boated/poop.html

Quote from: jet boat performance on January 27, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
... Rod if you want document everything then send it /take it to CA Dmv they may allow you to  do an "affidavit" to get your title changed to read correctly  Tom

At this point, I don't know what correct is!  :D

Quote from: hotrod56cars on January 27, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Any pictures Jim? Please  ;D

Does anyone have pics of a Mach 1 tunnel other than my boat or BAE 557's boat? They had to have made more than 3 boats, right?
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: jim brock on January 29, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
i can't post pics, i do have a couple, i have owned 2 mach i tunnels, just sold one its being put back together now!
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: GAWnCA on January 29, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: jim brock on January 29, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
i can't post pics, i do have a couple, i have owned 2 mach i tunnels, just sold one its being put back together now!

I'll post them for you!
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: just squirtin on January 30, 2008, 03:04:11 PM
hey hotrod==that number that you are trying to call is the sacramento boat/waterworks=they are located on L STREET ==ther is another number you can try calling==916-445-9524=hope this helps=give a shout if i can assist anymore===doug
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 30, 2008, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: jim brock on January 29, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
i can't post pics, i do have a couple, i have owned 2 mach i tunnels, just sold one its being put back together now!

I need a Rooster Booster, do you have one? It'll give me a reason to go up there and take my camera with me.  ;D

Quote from: just squirtin on January 30, 2008, 03:04:11 PM
hey hotrod==that number that you are trying to call is the sacramento boat/waterworks=they are located on L STREET ==ther is another number you can try calling==916-445-9524=hope this helps=give a shout if i can assist anymore===doug

Thanks Doug, but who's this second number too?  916-445-9524
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: CHROMEY on January 30, 2008, 03:44:45 PM
my 1974 miniday cruiser was made by MACH1 , ive been looking for information on it too my hin# is HTB
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 30, 2008, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: BAE 557 on January 27, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
I have a 1980 19' XST Tunnel , the first 3 letters of the HIN are HTB, which the following link says it is made by Mach 1 Boats.

http://www.state.ak.us/dmv/dealer/pdfs/babmak.pdf (http://www.state.ak.us/dmv/dealer/pdfs/babmak.pdf)

-William

Quote from: CHROMEY on January 30, 2008, 03:44:45 PM
my 1974 miniday cruiser was made by MACH1 , ive been looking for information on it too my hin# is HTB

Hmmm... very interesting...
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: just squirtin on January 30, 2008, 08:55:47 PM
hotrod ==that was the other number that was listed with sac boat/waterworks instead of the original number that you were trying to call=the 2 numbers are for the same place
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: hotrod56cars on January 30, 2008, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: just squirtin on January 30, 2008, 08:55:47 PM
hotrod ==that was the other number that was listed with sac boat/waterworks instead of the original number that you were trying to call=the 2 numbers are for the same place

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up for my foggy brain. I was trying to reach Mach 1 or California Homemade Boats with that phone number. I later figured out, through google, who the phone number now goes to. I thought maybe you had a different phone number for California Homemade Boats.
Title: Re: re Pioneers and Mach1
Post by: just squirtin on January 31, 2008, 05:22:25 AM
keaton of keaton boats is here in town=my kid has talked with him=maybe he has some info =i look into that also
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