SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Projects => Topic started by: jet boat performance on December 12, 2007, 08:16:13 PM
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Startin to feel like a "post whore" but I love to put these project boats up for feed back and to share with you folks ! This is a nice boat we got from H20 as partial payment for work on the 21 daytona . Its a perfect "test bed" for our original Panther conversion proto type (which we still have ) and were gonna dump in my old motor out of my Eliminator for sh*ts and giggles,Should be a nice boat and a "quick and dirty" little project Tom
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I still think thats one nice lookin boat! Oh before I forget to tell you again, tighten that ignition switch(cyl) up a little. :o
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Looks like you have more fun than work ;D
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When you wiped it down,,,you missed a spot! >:D
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I still think thats one nice lookin boat! Oh before I forget to tell you again, tighten that ignition switch(cyl) up a little. :o
Greg its a real decent piece!
When you wiped it down,,,you missed a spot! >:D
your right i'll get back down and de-smudgeafy it :) Tom
Looks like you have more fun than work ;D
Your are correct, this is the only time of year when its slow enough to play a little and have some sanity :) We "spanked" this thing today i'll post up some pics in a bit Tom
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Heres todays progress this boats just been "Panthergized" more to follow Tom
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Tom, I'd love to have your job ;D .
Are you hiring :) ?
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John if you and Undone could come down and work for a while maybe Josh and I could get a day off to got to the lake !! Tom
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Gettin there ,heres some today stuff Tom(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr319%2Fjetboatperformance%2Fkreg%2FDSC08565.jpg&hash=1c293b3c49e624d2bf976e0041892e6bca4b8983)
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Looks killer Tom! I can't wait to hear #'s ;D
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Gettin there ,heres some today stuff Tom(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr319%2Fjetboatperformance%2Fkreg%2FDSC08565.jpg&hash=1c293b3c49e624d2bf976e0041892e6bca4b8983)
Do you always work in the dark ???
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Do you always work in the dark ???
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Looking good Tom!
Some of us do our best work in the dark... ;D
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That does it! Tommy, you've gone too far this time and I'm calling my attorney. Here I've been drawing up a sketch of a stringer mount to support the Panther and what do I find in the above picture but a exact copy of what I was thinking. Clearly this has got to be a violation of sumthin. :-*
Looking really good Tommy. Keep a pattern of that thing and you can make me one too. I was going to use a couple pillow blocks to mount it to the stringer rails I'm going to be putting in.
Good luck with your project and keep the pics coming....
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John Thats Son Josh's Handy work (the brace) :) I'll shoot you a pic of the completed product this week Josh lit it off yesterday BTW !
On e of the main reasons for this Tahiti project was for R&D on the Panther (the brace is one more to follow T
Omar sorry for the crappy pic my F*kin batts were dyin the other nite :)
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That does it! Tommy, you've gone too far this time and I'm calling my attorney. Here I've been drawing up a sketch of a stringer mount to support the Panther and what do I find in the above picture but a exact copy of what I was thinking. Clearly this has got to be a violation of sumthin. :-*
Looking really good Tommy. Keep a pattern of that thing and you can make me one too. I was going to use a couple pillow blocks to mount it to the stringer rails I'm going to be putting in.
Good luck with your project and keep the pics coming....
Pattern? what is this pattern you speek of? My dad gets mad at me all the time cause I don't pattern anything, all the rough measurments are in my head, I never want any two things to look exactly the same (the exception being pairs and multiples in one application). I'll tell ya another great thing about the brace is it really squeezes the pod up against the housing making a very nice seal. Perhaps my dad will post up the picture, when he gets back, of me jumping up and down on the end of the bowl ;D
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sounds like Josh is the mastermind behind most of these projects..... Don't feel too bad Josh, that's exactly the way I do things. Just get the sum-bitch done, then write it down later... Maybe, if I think about it...
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Pattern? what is this pattern you speek of? My dad gets mad at me all the time cause I don't pattern anything, all the rough measurments are in my head, I never want any two things to look exactly the same (the exception being pairs and multiples in one application). I'll tell ya another great thing about the brace is it really squeezes the pod up against the housing making a very nice seal. Perhaps my dad will post up the picture, when he gets back, of me jumping up and down on the end of the bowl ;D
You do that to me on purpose dont you Josh? It seems to me to be the perfect solution to what is percieved to some as a potential weak spot. Great minds think alike huh........ ;D
Give you mom a squeeze and your pops a kick in the butt for me........
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Josh or Tom will your new gizmo eliminate the need/take the place of a pump brace, or will you be doing a pump brace also? Just curious. I'm also curious about some mph predictions. ;D
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I don't think we'll need external braces, that plate is 3/8" thick. As far as predictions, I'll let ya know after we run it ;) How fast was it going before, with panther and with the energizer?
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You do that to me on purpose dont you Josh? It seems to me to be the perfect solution to what is percieved to some as a potential weak spot. Great minds think alike huh........ ;D
Give you mom a squeeze and your pops a kick in the butt for me........
I'll make you a special one, I'll call it the Jrork Model. You'll just have to do some measuring for me.
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I'll make you a special one, I'll call it the Jrork Model. You'll just have to do some measuring for me.
I suppose that means it's gonna be painted pink or sumthin? I'll get ya some measurements.
Hmmmm, The Jrork Limited Edition.... I kinda like the sounds of that O0
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I suppose that means it's gonna be painted pink or sumthin? I'll get ya some measurements.
Hmmmm, The Jrork Limited Edition.... I kinda like the sounds of that O0
No! Anodized Pink, we wouldn't want it to look silly.
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You guys are crakin me up. Josh as far as befor and after for me. My uhhh your boat couldn't quite hit 60 an 5900 r's before the kit and after I was just under 70. also it dropped my r's way down at 69 I was 5300-5400 ish. Bear in mind I literally did nothing to the motor between the couldn't hit 60 to the spring run where I think I would have hit 70 if the water would have been a little smoother that cool spring morning by my self.
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No! Anodized Pink, we wouldn't want it to look silly.
Sounds really fast now......
Outside of stringer to outside of stringer is a whatchamacallit hair over 29" apart.
Outside of stinger to the center of the pump hole is 14 1/2"
Thanks punkin..........
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sounds like Josh is the mastermind behind most of these projects..... Don't feel too bad Josh, that's exactly the way I do things. Just get the sum-bitch done, then write it down later... Maybe, if I think about it...
Thats exactly right ,alls I get to do is sweep the floor and sh*T ??? Tom
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Jeezus, that outa hold it.... Now with that outa of the way, time to dust off that rideplate/shoe dealio you were building Josh..........
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Soon as I unchain him and he gets his bread and water I'll get hime workin on that other stuff !! :)
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We're gonna go out there and get some psi readings before I make any crazy hardware changes. But Just a taste of whats to come. I've been dreeming up a shoe, the intake opening is about 3/4 to an 1" up from the keel, But to bring it down to the keel seems a bit dramatic seeing as its almost 11" vs the berk almost 8". So I'm still pondering that. I have half a dosen designs in mind, so I'll probabbly make a few different ones.
The shoe addition will most likely accompany a full on narrowed "rideplate" to relpace the dinkky cav plate setup it currently has.
We''ll also know better what it needs or doesn't need when we drive it, I swiss cheeses the suction with psi taps so we can get some good solid info.
One of the big concerns or percieved short commings outsiders would choose to pick on, was lack of hardware for tuning for Panthers. Well heres some food for thought, berkeley didn't either in 1965. No loadered, shoes, rideplates, droops, snoots, diverters existed till someone saw a need and a market for them.
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I really think you're on to something Josh. Of course, I'm usually wrong on stuff, but, I like the basic design of the intake. With the shoe hardware, what are the mounting options you 're batting around.
I don't think it'll take much of a shoe to load the crap out of this thing.
It "seems" like this would be a natural but I just cant get my head around the shoe mount side of things.
Oh well, be fun to watch this all come together......take care...john
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I really think you're on to something Josh. Of course, I'm usually wrong on stuff, but, I like the basic design of the intake. With the shoe hardware, what are the mounting options you 're batting around.
I don't think it'll take much of a shoe to load the crap out of this thing.
It "seems" like this would be a natural but I just cant get my head around the shoe mount side of things.
Oh well, be fun to watch this all come together......take care...john
Actually since I posted last I already made a solid mount to bolt shoe(s) and rideplates on, futuristically, and in the pictures it emulates the stock setup. This makes it so I can make a couple of shoes that i can swap really easy, at the lake if i want, and not have to worry about sealling and other issue that may arise if this were one piece.
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Josh are you going to install nuts on those bolts? and if not won't they vibrate loose? I've heard that even with red loctite they have a knack of working loose.
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Josh are you going to install nuts on those bolts? and if not won't they vibrate loose? I've heard that even with red loctite they have a knack of working loose.
Thats the plan, I had just finished mocking it up when i took the pic, getting tired of running over to the bolt bin. Thanks for the QC
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I knew that.... ;D
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Makes a Dad proud !! you folks probably have no Idea but my Son has been workin with me since he could walk (at home and at the shop) All Very Nice work Son !! ;) Dad
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Makes a Dad proud !! you folks probably have no Idea but my Son has been workin with me since he could walk (at home and at the shop) All Very Nice work Son !! ;) Dad
You should be Pops. And not because of what he can do in the shop, when Jan and I both left your shop we mentioned how impressed we were with Josh. He's a good man.
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Actually since I posted last I already made a solid mount to bolt shoe(s) and rideplates on, futuristically, and in the pictures it emulates the stock setup. This makes it so I can make a couple of shoes that i can swap really easy, at the lake if i want, and not have to worry about sealling and other issue that may arise if this were one piece.
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Looks fantastic Josh. You do fantastic work. The above picture was the one I was struggling with. I like your approach. My guts telling me what you already have there is liable to make a big difference without anything else.
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John the way you see it in that picture is much stronger, but really from an attack angle isn't any different than the stock setup with the plate zeroed. I does seal a whole lot better than gooping silicone between the sides of the rideplate and the pod. I actually cut the Panther rideplate down in front to maintain the stock length for the initial tests. And not that it needed anymore, with the brace and all, but it does serve to further strengthen and stablize the jet in the boat.
On a side note I had never realized how flimsy the stock plate is, 3/16", with out the finns and the adjuster that thing would be jello going down the lake.
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OK this "Hot Rod" is about ready to go to the lake for some more Panther Energizer R&D, A little "crackle" for you folks (notice how talented "my youngin" is ,snackin while he's tuning) Tom
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John the way you see it in that picture is much stronger, but really from an attack angle isn't any different than the stock setup with the plate zeroed. I does seal a whole lot better than gooping silicone between the sides of the rideplate and the pod. I actually cut the Panther rideplate down in front to maintain the stock length for the initial tests. And not that it needed anymore, with the brace and all, but it does serve to further strengthen and stablize the jet in the boat.
On a side note I had never realized how flimsy the stock plate is, 3/16", with out the finns and the adjuster that thing would be jello going down the lake.
Agreed on all counts. I'm just curious if you're going to need anymore "biting edge" than what is already provided by the mount for the shoe. As far as the stock plate, it is a thin SOB isnt it? Looking great and I can't wait to hear how you do.
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Agreed on all counts. I'm just curious if you're going to need anymore "biting edge" than what is already provided by the mount for the shoe. As far as the stock plate, it is a thin SOB isnt it? Looking great and I can't wait to hear how you do.
We'll see like i said we swiss cheesed the sommomabitch, to get some more readings. The cental tap we had before never saw any more than 15psi on the suction WOT, but that was also a different boat.
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We'll see like i said we swiss cheesed the sommomabitch, to get some more readings. The cental tap we had before never saw any more than 15psi on the suction WOT, but that was also a different boat.
Cool Josh, can't wait to hear what you guys find out. Take care
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The Tahiti comes out today to make room for the Placecraft! Tom
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very nice work as usual
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Thanks Forked we're really anxious to see how this boat runs ,That motor pushed my 85 Bahner jet 83 and 84 BTB runs at CFW,got 2 seasons in my Vdrive cruiser this is some of the most HP put to the Panther conversion yet to our Knowledge so we're real curious to say the least ..Tom
Thanks to Kreg (h20 mofo) for making this nice boat available to us !!
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make sure you get some video of the test run for us ;D
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tom, nice work as usual and in the last pic who did the tahiti emblems in the front seats that is real nice
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Buddy I' guessin thats OEM ??? The "Tiki" Imprint looks to be "embossed" (not stitched) Krazy Huh Tom
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Good job Josh! I'm glad to see that some of the possible issues I spoke of are being addressed.
And yes, the Tiki head in the seats was a OEM thing....I wonder if people paid extra for it? :o
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Wow that boat sure looks sweet with that huffer. Damn I think I want it back.lol ;D
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Steve Good to hear from you !We always appreciated your input and questions from the onset ,(sometimes you were a little ahead of us ;D),It was "providence" for us to finally "score' a Panther ready hull as nice as this for a test bed for upgrades and R&D Kreg gave us that opportunity! We'll keep you posted Tom
Kreg the little blower worked very well in my Bahner as well as my Eliminator .folks can say what they want about Weiand but I've been very satisfied. I just put a 256 Weiand on my new motor ,ready to fire ,just too busy So many boats so little time Tom
Kreg got caught up in the Last minute Xmas sh*T today I'll call you tommorow T
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Weiand makes good stuff. Just make sure you check it out real thoroughly before you use it... My buddy had one of the little 142's I think it was on his 350 chevy in an old John Haskell/Pantera hull. First trip out the blower seized up.
He took it in to The Blower Shop and after that ran really good. That's the boat I sent you videos of Tom. When the little motor was turning 6-7000 RPMs the blower was spinning 14-17k...
Now she's got a new block, aluminum heads and a TBS 6v-71 snapped on top. Don't know what the new HP numbers are yet.
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Thanks for the tip Undone Appreciate it !! Tom
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Sorry, I didn't give much info. I'll ask him what the problem was exactly. Easier/cheaper to avoid a problem before it happens...
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Hey Tom, what boat is hittin the water 1st the tahiti or the place craft? Sorry just had to bump this thread. BTW Tom were those last pics too big? O0
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Kreg 'I know this sounds "corny" but so many boats so little time! I really want to run your old boat first ,cause I know it starts ,runs and I'm stoked about it ,a little aprehensive RE the PC havent heard the motor yet ,has some rigging left (check the PC thread later) Tom
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Hay wait a minute , some of us are still waiting for some final numbers on this one [attachimg=1] http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=1493.0
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Hay wait a minute , some of us are still waiting for some final numbers on this one (Attachment Link) http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=1493.0
Hey Jeff you of all people have sat in my office to observe the craziness of an average day ;D ;D
(I'll say it again so many boats so little time ;) )
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Not to mention it's winter time. ;D
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It is kind of nice bein in a warm house (with cold beer) vs freezin my a$$ off at the lake Tom
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It is kind of nice bein in a warm house (with cold beer) vs freezin my a$$ off at the lake Tom
Snicker..... Grumpy old bastard like you Tommy could never get cold....... >:D
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Snicker..... Grumpy old bastard like you Tommy could never get cold....... >:D
Has my wife been posting on the "grumpy old man site" ?? Dude right now its my desk top ,uggs, beer fridge and the Chargers, the "wet tests" can wait a while ! ;D
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Just in case you were interested in the Weiand problems my friend had...
The first blower he received from Weiand was the little boy 144. The bores in the casing around the rotors were not consistent. So the tolerance I think he said went from a .007 to a .003 at the back end of the blower. In any case, as the blower heated up the rotors expanded and seized to the sides of the casing.
He sent the blower back to Weiand, who decided to replace it.
The second blower:
Timing between the two rotors was off and the rotors would have collided had he started the engine. This time he got smart and took it to The Blower Shop who checked the bores and adjusted the timing, hard anodized the rotors, and teflon stripped them. This was all 2+ years ago, hopefully the QC has improved. Just thought you guys deserved a little heads up.