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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1675 on: November 27, 2015, 11:30:08 AM »
That was a cool show, it was Mike Finnegan and Frieburger on Roadkill. It was a very nicely built LS3 though, not some stocker.


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Its was just a cammed LS2. Mild cam at that.

Stock ls6 heads. And. A tunnel ram :-)
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1676 on: November 27, 2015, 11:51:41 AM »




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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1677 on: November 27, 2015, 12:20:54 PM »
Here is what I learned about turbo engines working for Allan Nimmo at Performance Techniques.

The rotating assembly needs the most attention.  Starting with a 4340 crankshaft and rods is critical.  Import parts are fine, but need to be remachined for dimensional accuracy.  The reason this is necessary is that a turbo engine is capable of producing in excess of 1000 horsepower at around 4000 RPM.  At the time, I subscribed to the philosophy of RPM kills engines.  Nimmo explained it like this; if you have two engines, both producing 1000 horsepower, one at 10,000 RPM and the other at 1 RPM.  The engine operating at 10,000 RPM is producing a whole lot of little putts to make the 1000 horsepower.  The engine operating at 1 RPM is going to have one big bang to produce 1000 horsepower.  The best materials and a rigid design are vital to keeping it alive.

Heads and camshaft make very little difference in performance below 1500 horsepower.  All the performance is in the turbo charger.  In fact, exhaust flow and velocity are way more critical than intake flow because the turbo easily overcomes the deficiencies.

Of utmost importance is fuel/spark management.  Without proper tuning, it will never live or run as hard as it could.  If the EFI path is followed, expect it to account for as much as 33% of the budget.

Bottom line, whatever route to performance is taken, tuning is critical to making engines perform and live.  There is no reason why any type of engine can't be built and maintained to live.  One small oversight can lead to a nuclear meltdown.  However, when building a naturally aspirated program, the best heads, intake, and exhaust; high compression; and big camshafts are mandatory.  This type of valve train is not a "set it and forget it" deal.  You absolutely have to stay on top of it to prevent disaster.

Respect to those who are making it happen by any means.

Cheers,

Joe
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1678 on: November 27, 2015, 12:23:01 PM »

Its was just a cammed LS2. Mild cam at that.

Stock ls6 heads. And. A tunnel ram :-)

Was it? I thought it was more serious than that for some reason


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1679 on: November 27, 2015, 12:31:41 PM »
Was it? I thought it was more serious than that for some reason


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Nope. But that's still fairly serious. Should dyno around 550-600 all day.

I spun a BC to 6400 on motor with more or less the same engine setup they had. But my heads (same as theirs) but mine  were cut .030 (11.5;1) and I had a bigger cam.

Still nothing to sneeze at
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1680 on: November 27, 2015, 12:36:19 PM »
That's classic! Someday I'd love to do a low buck beater experiment like that. Like something that ran 80-85 but looked like a complete pile

At TPM a few years ago, someone brought out a Hallett mini-day, same hull as mine.  The boat was pretty rough, but it had an interesting pump setback, so I looked at it for quite a while.  It had no floor or interior and the engine looked like a Pick-a-Part motor complete with cast iron intake.  I didn't see any hint of an N2O system.  I heard from several sources that this boat clocked over 98 MPH on radar.  I would love to see it again and meet the owner.
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1681 on: November 27, 2015, 12:39:53 PM »
Was it? I thought it was more serious than that for some reason


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I was in correct it's only a LS6 (5.7L)

Still had a smallish cam

Here's the article

http://www.hotrod.com/cars/project-vehicles/hrdp-0907-1974-chevy-c10-build/
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1682 on: November 27, 2015, 03:50:55 PM »
That's classic! Someday I'd love to do a low buck beater experiment like that. Like something that ran 80-85 but looked like a complete pile


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it's all ready being done it's called Lafawnduh
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1683 on: November 27, 2015, 04:28:09 PM »

. No your good with one of those HD motor home motors. Lol


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The corn binder motor was a motor home bottom end with a good top end. It lasted somewhere around 8 seasons of spray


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1684 on: November 27, 2015, 04:38:28 PM »

So does this mean it would be a bad idea for me to pull a stock 454 out of a motor home and try to spray three kits on it?


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Corn binder motor was something that they pulled out of a motor home and threw a top end on and gobs of spray. It lasted for I'd wanna say somewhere around 8 seasons without a issue. I think Phil burnt a piston because he messed with the timing


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1685 on: November 27, 2015, 04:39:35 PM »

The corn binder motor was a motor home bottom end with a good top end. It lasted somewhere around 8 seasons of spray


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Responded to the wrong person lol.


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SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1686 on: November 27, 2015, 06:40:11 PM »
Getting closer....there's a V8 under there
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1687 on: November 27, 2015, 07:49:59 PM »

I was in correct it's only a LS6 (5.7L)

Still had a smallish cam

Here's the article

http://www.hotrod.com/cars/project-vehicles/hrdp-0907-1974-chevy-c10-build/

Gotcha. Either way it's still a nice engine, are you sure it was still in that configuration by the time it ran in the boat though? I was under the impression it was a 6.0 and it received constant upgrades as a magazine project but I could be wrong.


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1688 on: November 27, 2015, 07:51:12 PM »

At TPM a few years ago, someone brought out a Hallett mini-day, same hull as mine.  The boat was pretty rough, but it had an interesting pump setback, so I looked at it for quite a while.  It had no floor or interior and the engine looked like a Pick-a-Part motor complete with cast iron intake.  I didn't see any hint of an N2O system.  I heard from several sources that this boat clocked over 98 MPH on radar.  I would love to see it again and meet the owner.


That's badass, would take a lot of power to make a mini day go 98. Through a cast iron intake even more impressive


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1689 on: November 27, 2015, 07:51:58 PM »

Corn binder motor was something that they pulled out of a motor home and threw a top end on and gobs of spray. It lasted for I'd wanna say somewhere around 8 seasons without a issue. I think Phil burnt a piston because he messed with the timing


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Cornbinder is where I got the idea I was joking about lol. I thought that thing blew up quite a few times though didn't it?


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1690 on: November 27, 2015, 07:53:03 PM »

Cornbinder is where I got the idea I was joking about lol. I thought that thing blew up quite a few times though didn't it?


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Nope. It broke axels and suspension but lasted for a long ass time


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1691 on: November 27, 2015, 07:55:29 PM »



Nope. It broke axels and suspension but lasted for a long ass time


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Guess they had better luck than I do. If I tried to get away with that it would grenade first pass


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1692 on: December 01, 2015, 12:23:16 AM »

And please if your calling someone out please match yourself accordingly. There is absolutely no reason to pair up a Tahiti with an olds against a gullwing with 1000 hp.


"RTCP"

What about a Tahiti with an Evinrude?
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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1693 on: December 01, 2015, 05:24:24 AM »

What about a Tahiti with an Evinrude?
. Not looking like we have a match for that.


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1694 on: December 01, 2015, 05:36:01 AM »
. Not looking like we have a match for that.


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Wouldn't that be like my tahiti with the olds? Haha.

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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1695 on: December 01, 2015, 10:45:53 AM »
Hmm what about my Tahiti? Lol


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1696 on: December 01, 2015, 10:48:37 AM »
We will talk about a Tahiti when one gets in the top ten. I haven't seen one in the top ten.


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1697 on: December 01, 2015, 10:52:06 AM »

We will talk about a Tahiti when one gets in the top ten. I haven't seen one in the top ten.


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Lol. If I would of made the two events it probably would of happened.


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1698 on: December 01, 2015, 10:13:18 PM »

. Bud we need to meet and I will bring the crayons and draw you a picture real slow. WTF.


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too funny this is a run what ya bring / scjb participation deal as stayed two events blah blah blah but if you any of you feelings need for bragging rights in pretty sure next year n November there will be a a smellsomore event if you feel the need to call someone out and run. I'm pretty sure most of the peeps will race ya but you won't end up on the list but can have bragging rights


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Re: SCJB top 10 list.
« Reply #1699 on: December 02, 2015, 06:17:42 AM »

too funny this is a run what ya bring / scjb participation deal as stayed two events blah blah blah but if you any of you feelings need for bragging rights in pretty sure next year n November there will be a a smellsomore event if you feel the need to call someone out and run. I'm pretty sure most of the peeps will race ya but you won't end up on the list but can have bragging rights


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. I'm sure Dennis will arrange this deal for next year. And as stated most would run who ever.


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