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Discussion => The No Wake Zone => Topic started by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 07:11:27 AM

Title: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 07:11:27 AM
ok picking up a running 454 out of 86 truck tonight, need some info, what is this motor capible of and what heads? i am going to run it bone stock for now since the elim is a project, on a budget
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: Luckie Stiff on February 18, 2010, 08:06:03 AM
How many miles on the engine?

The 454 is a great base for a jet boat engine, relatively cheap to add HP, and for the most part reliable. I'd say you'll be fine with it in stock mode.
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 08:12:20 AM
runs perfect, a little tired. cyl walls good, think i am going to hone and rering. to save money, going to run o/t headers, hi rise and 850 dp, cam.

what cam should i run
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: beerjet on February 18, 2010, 08:53:38 AM
Dual Valve springs !
If the motor is tired , the springs are too and singles arent enough.
At higher RPM's the valves will float  :thumbdown:

-beerjet-
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: Luckie Stiff on February 18, 2010, 09:12:07 AM
Comp Cams XM278H grind with matching springs and you're in business.
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 2savage4you on February 18, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
Comp Cams XM278H grind with matching springs and you're in business.

I would upgrade pushrods aswell and maybe some nice roller rockers ;D
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: SLCKREG on February 18, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
You may want to take a peek at what heads are on there. Just a thought ;)
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 01:02:12 PM
You may want to take a peek at what heads are on there. Just a thought ;)
why????
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GlassCutter on February 18, 2010, 01:22:42 PM
Cuz a smog head ain't gonna flow as good as an earlier one.
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 01:51:11 PM
Cuz a smog head ain't gonna flow as good as an earlier one.

can i interchange?
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GlassCutter on February 18, 2010, 03:17:24 PM
I am not the guy to talk to about anything Chevy but I would venture to say yes.  They have been making mouse motors for a loooong time.   GM's only good product really.    Save it haters, I call em as I see em.

Well the ZL-1 was a good try too!
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 04:40:43 PM
I am not the guy to talk to about anything Chevy but I would venture to say yes.  They have been making mouse motors for a loooong time.   GM's only good product really.    Save it haters, I call em as I see em.

Well the ZL-1 was a good try too!
i work for ford, chevy is cheaper for my situation.
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: enginedoctor on February 18, 2010, 04:54:21 PM
I am not the guy to talk to about anything Chevy but I would venture to say yes.  They have been making mouse motors for a loooong time.   GM's only good product really.    Save it haters, I call em as I see em.

Well the ZL-1 was a good try too!

Yaaa... I think first Chevy was cast in or about 1919.....In France.
Gotta tell ya thou...Chevy is cheaper to build/ more combo's avail. and ummm. I'll put my bbc up against anything out there.
just my opinion...
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GlassCutter on February 18, 2010, 05:03:22 PM
You're the expert but I think that if I were trying to build less than say 550 HP as cheaply as possible to last as long as possible,  I'd build a stroked 400 Mopar.  My last one made 550/550 with small valve heads, stock rods, crank, block, mech. cam.   No porting, no trickery.  Only real money was spent on pistons.

I know that won't go in a boat though  :(
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: enginedoctor on February 18, 2010, 05:15:35 PM
You're the expert but I think that if I were trying to build less than say 550 HP as cheaply as possible to last as long as possible,  I'd build a stroked 400 Mopar.  My last one made 550/550 with small valve heads, stock rods, crank, block, mech. cam.   No porting, no trickery.  Only real money was spent on pistons.

I know that won't go in a boat though  :(

Don't get me wrong...I like alll AMERICAN  engines ..AMC thru Pontiac ...and everything in between...
Mopar ...hmmm.   My favorite  THE HEMI. ;D
I recall when I was about 20 yrs old....now 48...I bought a Roadrunner w/ a 440 ... this thing was running on about 6 cylinders and it still fried the tires and ran like a raped male ape. :thumbup:
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GlassCutter on February 18, 2010, 05:39:34 PM
Hey Doc  check your PMs
I don't wanna jack this thread any further than I already have
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: enginedoctor on February 18, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Got no pms.
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 09:51:41 PM
ok picked her up tonight, here are the numbers tell me what i have?
block says pass hi perf, cast 14015445     gm10t     08 68 it looks like, head castings 346236, what is this stuff interchangable and is it ok to start with un molested
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: beerjet on February 18, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
346236.....75-87...oval...OPEN...454, 120cc chamber, 225/116cc ports

-beerjet-
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GT Jets on February 18, 2010, 09:59:40 PM
ok picked her up tonight, here are the numbers tell me what i have?
block says pass hi perf, cast 14015445     gm10t     08 68 it looks like, head castings 346236, what is this stuff interchangable and is it ok to start with un molested

You got good stuff there IMO, are you even going to freshen things up, or run what ya brung?

346236.....75-87...oval...OPEN...454, 120cc chamber, 225/116cc ports

-beerjet-

Not to mention a possible four bolt 454... :thumbup:  ;)

Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
going to take apart this weekend, i think i am going to hone and rering, do the heads, cam, roller rockers, tunnel and single 850, what do you think
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GT Jets on February 18, 2010, 10:19:20 PM
going to take apart this weekend, i think i am going to hone and rering, do the heads, cam, roller rockers, tunnel and single 850, what do you think

Works for this whiteboy... :thumbup:

But will throw at you, new oil pump and pick up (cheap insurance) and change out the freeze plugs, probably steel right now... ;)

I love grenade motors (motors with as few new parts as you can get away with....They run the best.. :sly:
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 18, 2010, 10:25:07 PM
oh yes i am going to put in new freeze plugs and, high volume oil pump for sure. i wouldnt f around any other way. is the cam recomended above a good choice? any others
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: GT Jets on February 18, 2010, 10:36:37 PM
oh yes i am going to put in new freeze plugs and, high volume oil pump for sure. i wouldnt f around any other way. is the cam recomended above a good choice? any others

If you are asking about a comp XM 278, yes, great choice actually....I have one sitting on the toolbox..Racey idle, runs pretty hard and like headers... :thumbup:

I'm not real hit in the head about the high volume oil pump though...cavitation is common, the motor will almost always run at 3500 RPM or more and IMHO is not needed...Get a standard oil pump and detail it, you will be better off (again IMO).

GT
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: beerjet on February 18, 2010, 10:44:21 PM
Get yourself the weiand stealth intake and trash the single TR.

-beerjet-
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: 88CARRERA on February 19, 2010, 07:13:57 AM
If you are asking about a comp XM 278, yes, great choice actually....I have one sitting on the toolbox..Racey idle, runs pretty hard and like headers... :thumbup:

I'm not real hit in the head about the high volume oil pump though...cavitation is common, the motor will almost always run at 3500 RPM or more and IMHO is not needed...Get a standard oil pump and detail it, you will be better off (again IMO).

GT

detail it?
Title: Re: 454 ?s
Post by: Marcsrollin on February 19, 2010, 09:07:11 AM
He means open it up and smooth out all the casting and sharp edges. Helps on the flow of the pump.
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