SoCal Jet Boats
Discussion => The No Wake Zone => Topic started by: Brad @ SCJB on August 25, 2010, 10:18:58 AM
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Due to the large presence of the Law Enforcement on the water doing safety checks lately, I figured it would be a good idea to put together a list of items they are looking for. This will help you avoid getting cited for items and having to pay fines - and more importantly, be safe. Alan (aka Boat Cop on PB) works for the Lapaz County Sheriff and assisted me putting together a list of items.
Be Sober - I think this is self explanatory
Registration - Make sure your registration is current and you have your certificate of numbers (registration card) with you on the boat
Numbers properly displayed – Block letters, minimum 3” in height, contrasting color to the hull, visible from 50’ away, and properly spaced: AZ 1234 AB or AZ-1234-AB. Current annual decal displayed.
Life Jackets - One Type I, II, III, or V wearable PFD for each person on board. For a type V to be counted, it must be worn. (must be USCG approved, readily accessible and in good, serviceable condition). Also, if the boat is over 16 feet in length, you must carry One Type IV (throwable) PFD. The Type IV throwable must be immediately available. Children 12 years old and under must wear their PFD when the boat is underway. (Underway means not moored, anchored or aground. Drifting with the engine off IS underway)
Example of Type IV Throwable PFDs
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Visual Distress signals – Must be carried on Coastal Waters (Ocean) and the Great Lakes. Not required, but recommended, on inland waters.
Fire Extinguisher – Boats less than 26 ft have to have 1 class B1 hand held F/E. 26 ft to less than 40 ft – 2 B1 F/E or 1 B2 F/E. 40 ft to 65 ft 3 BI F/Es or 1 B2 & 1 B1. Fire Extinguishers must be USCG Approved, fully charged, in good condition and readily accessible. A fixed system in the engine compartment can take the place of 1 B1 F/E regardless of size. (Arizona requires that boats less than 26 ft carry a hand held B1 even if equipped with a fixed system)
Sound Producing Device - A vessel over 39.4 ft (12 meters) must, at a minimum, have some means of making an "efficient" sound signal - (i.e. handheld air horn, powered horn, etc. - Human voice/sound not acceptable). Must be audible for at least ½ mile. Boats under 39.4 feet don’t have to carry a horn or whistle, but are required to give proper sound signals, when required.
Ventilation - All vessels with enclosed engine must have natural ventilation (at least two ducts fitted with cowls). All vessels built after 31 July 1980 must have rated power exhaust blower.
Backfire Flame Arrestor - Required on gasoline engines
Navigation Lights - Required to be displayed from sunset to sunrise and in or near areas of reduced visibility. In California, Personal Watercraft cannot be operated between sunset and sunrise whether they have lights or not
Muffling devices – Each boat must be equipped with an effective means to muffle the exhaust noise. The device(s) must be in constant operation and reduce noise to certain levels
Ski flag – To be displayed if there is a skier (or rope, in California) down in the water.
Ski Observer – Must be 12 years of age or older and constantly observing the skier.
CA: A person under 16 may not operate any vessel greater than 8 HP alone. 12 to 15 may operate with an adult actually on board the vessel. Under 12 may not operate.
AZ: A person under 12 may not operate any vessel greater than 8 HP alone. Under 12 may operate with an adult actually on board the vessel.
The Colorado River and its lakes are dual jurisdiction waterways, where each state (AZ, CA, NV, UT) may enforce their own laws anywhere on the River or lake. You may be required to comply with the most restrictive law, when there are differences in regulations (ie age of operation)
Check local laws and regulations wherever you boat, as they may differ from these. Taking a safe boating course will help you learn and understand the law and safe boating practices.
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Real good subject! Safety first!
I am curious, since I have never been drinking while driving a boat but how do they test you for being drunk on the water? Breathalyzer? Is it still .08 for being drunk?
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I am curious, since I have never been drinking while driving a boat but how do they test you for being drunk on the water? Breathalyzer? Is it still .08 for being drunk?
Typically they will do a field test, then breathalyze. The field test is performed on the officer's vessel and will be things like alphabet type tests, following a pen, touching your nose, etc. Yes, .08 is the legal limit, but I've heard of situations where they determined the person is too intoxicated to operate the vessel even though they blew less then a .08
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just to add to the dui issue. as i now understand it, in arizona if you get a dui on the water it goes against your drivers lisence as well, meaning suspension, higher insurance, immobilizer device (breathalizer) on the ignition, they are getting very strict on this subject.
Great thread Brad. :thumbup:
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Real good subject! Safety first!
I am curious, since I have never been drinking while driving a boat but how do they test you for being drunk on the water? Breathalyzer? Is it still .08 for being drunk?
They make you swim in a straight line
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Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise
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Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise
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That is a law that is specific to NV ONLY (not AZ) Interstate waterways (thats including water that boarders the state (ie The Colorado River @ Laughlin)
The specifics of this law are as follows:
All persons who operate vessels powered by a motor over 15 horsepower on interstate waters and who were born on or after January 1, 1983, must take and pass a boater education course or proficiency exam. The course or exam must be one that is approved by the Nevada Department of Wildlife.
A person operating a personal watercraft (PWC) must be at least 14 years of age.
A person operating a vessel that is towing a person on water skis, a surfboard, or any other device must be:
* At least 16 years of age or …
* At least 14 years of age and have on board a person at least 18 years of age in a position to supervise the operator.
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Typically they will do a field test, then breathalyze. The field test is performed on the officer's vessel and will be things like alphabet type tests, following a pen, touching your nose, etc. Yes, .08 is the legal limit, but I've heard of situations where they determined the person is too intoxicated to operate the vessel even though they blew less then a .08
the cop that got me had me blow in his face I chuckled and complied Just finished a cig ;D
Brad it is a great tread , and to add Here at Havasu they offer free inpections and you dont get cited just FYI check with your local rangers or cops for more info :thumbup:
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the cop that got me had me blow in his face I chuckled and complied Just finished a cig ;D
Really? was this the rookie/volunteer? that seems very odd and unhealthy....I'd hate to have to have people blow in my face all day. NO THANKS!
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I asked if he was kidding he said no afterward I told him I just smoked a cig all his buddys were cracking up ;D >:D I thought it was odd at the time to
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I stand corrected thanks brad
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one ? the plate on the boat tells the wieght and pass allowed is this a mandatory deal thanks rusty
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one ? the plate on the boat tells the wieght and pass allowed is this a mandatory deal thanks rusty
Only on Coast Guard approved vessels manufactured after 1971 and less than 20', it is a little followed thing and was really for liability issues to the manufacturer...In other words, if it is there, it needs to be followed, if it is "not there" there is a formula to figure out what the capacity should be to be considered "safe"...Looking for that right now.
GT
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Just a couple of notes.
First, I'm with the La Paz County Sheriff's Office, not Parker PD. But I forgive you, Brad. ;D
An on-water DUI (OUI) conviction in AZ DOES NOT go on your driving record or affect your license in AZ. However, California gets reports of ALL states' OUIs and will apply it to your CA driving record to enhance future DUI/OUIs as a prior offense, or use it to suspend your license if you already have prior OUI/DUI offenses. But one, by itself, won't affect your CA record.
The formula for safe loading (number of passengers) for boats without a capacity plate is: length X width / 15. The resulting number is rounded DOWN to a whole number. For example a 21' boat that is 6 1/2 feet wide at it's widest point would be: 21 X 6.5= 136.5. 136.5 / 15=
9.1. Round down and the safe number of passengers would be 9. (That includes the driver)
I'm not sure I'd want to put 9 people on my 21' (20' 10") Spectra, but that's what the formula comes out to.
EDIT: No requirement for boater education in AZ YET. But it will probably be coming soon. Only about 6 states don't have some form of mandatory education. Both AZ and CA are 2 of them. Take a class NOW, before the laws are enacted and open seats become hard to find.
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The formula for safe loading (number of passengers) for boats without a capacity plate is: length X width / 15. The resulting number is rounded DOWN to a whole number. For example a 21' boat that is 6 1/2 feet wide at it's widest point would be: 21 X 6.5= 136.5. 136.5 / 15=
9.1. Round down and the safe number of passengers would be 9. (That includes the driver)
I'm not sure I'd want to put 9 people on my 21' (20' 10") Spectra, but that's what the formula comes out to.
Found it... :sly:
Thanks Boat Cop... :thumbup:
GT
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Sorry about that Alan.
Welcome to the site!
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thanks for the infor. guys. What a relief don't have one on my boat
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brad pm sent to you
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Even tho I have been boating for many years and have never had a problem,albeit times are a changin'.. This is a Great Thread for the "newbies"...Please read it and take notice,this stuff is no joke these days!....Safe and happy Boating dayz to come! "Skee" ;D
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The best safety equipment you can have with you on a boat is that "Little Voice in your head", you know....The one that says "hey dumbass....What are you trying to do, kill somebody?" Or maybe it's just my head the voice is in.... :-\
I think a bucket should be required by law to keep in the boat.....
You can pee in it, use it to fight small fires (water, not pee ;D ) bail the boat if you wired the bilge pump wrong, put trash in it to dispose later, they make great deep water chute anchors....They should be sold by Billy Mays, may he rest in peace... :thumbup:
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Just for clarification. To back B-rad up, the boating course is NOT required in Arizona. Regardless of age. Was stopped once with RJ driving Moo, and noone even asked. You ARE required to have an airhorn or loud whistle no matter the size of boat though.
Second thing on the OUI deal. Forget .08! They are attacking this from the "Impaired to the slightest degree" angle. .08 means NOTHING in Arizona (At least Maricopa county) either in a car, boat, atv, whatever.......if the fuzz wants to be a prick, you can, and these days with cops being layed off everywhere probably will, still be charged with an OUI or DUI at .01 if they can't find anything else!
Ray
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Second thing on the OUI deal. Forget .08! They are attacking this from the "Impaired to the slightest degree" angle. .08 means NOTHING in Arizona (At least Maricopa county) either in a car, boat, atv, whatever.......if the fuzz wants to be a prick, you can, and these days with cops being layed off everywhere probably will, still be charged with an OUI or DUI at .01 if they can't find anything else!
Ray
Actually, that's a myth. Just as the law presumes that a person is impaired at .08% or above, the law states that a person with a BAC below .05% is presumed to NOT be impaired. (Except for those under 21 and commercial drivers/boat operators acting in a commercial capacity). If a person is between .05% and .08% there is no presumption either way. A person can be charged in those circumstances, if there is sufficient evidence that the person IS impaired, either through driving patterns, appearance and demeanor, performance on FSTs, etc. These people are otherwise known as "cheap dates". We all know someone who after 1 or 2 drinks, is falling down drunk.
In actuality, very few are charged, and even fewer convicted, if they fall in that range.
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thank you for the clarification and the additional info bc :) :thumbup:
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Good article good info Guys !
"some people ya just cant reach" ;)
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Alan,
have you ever asked someone to blow in your face to detect alcohol on their breath?
Howard19 says they asked him to do this at a safety check near the needles bridge :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:
personally, i think it was a volunteer/rookie and the guys on the force were messing with him and he was gullible enough to actually asked him to do it. ;D
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Got the fine Amount today its 135.00 For not having the throwable in the boat . And he did ask me to blow in his face and he realy didnt look like a rookie. And brad alot of great information in this tread,Good job :thumbup:
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Alan,
have you ever asked someone to blow in your face to detect alcohol on their breath?
Howard19 says they asked him to do this at a safety check near the needles bridge :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:
personally, i think it was a volunteer/rookie and the guys on the force were messing with him and he was gullible enough to actually asked him to do it. ;D
I've never asked anyone to do it. If you ask me, it's a lazy (and inefficient) way to check to see if someone's drunk. The best way to investigate an OUI is to do it BY THE BOOK, and how we are trained. It's the most fair for the boater who may be drinking and NOT impaired and the best way to have your arrest, evidence and observations hold up in court.
It's 115 degrees out, for Christ's sake. Anyone who'd been drinking would have smelled like booze from the sweat alone. I stopped a guy once (only one in the boat) and smelled the booze from 10 feet away.
And with H1N1 and all other sort of nasty chit around, the fewer people breathing on me, the better. (I'm not OCD or germophobe or anything, but that's just NASTY!)
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This is what I noticed.
Looking at my citation it was a fish and game cop,
But it was a mohave county sheriff that handed me the free throwable.
With all do respect to all law inforcement cops the whole thing felt abit like the old speed traps of old just to get in your wallets.
slite issue of intrapment concidering blocking the whole river and only picking on a few as it was my buddy was 25 feet in front of me why was he not asked to pull to shore and beach his boat is this a form of profileing ?? :banghead: ???
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i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:
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A lot of states will allow you to get your license online. I dont know if they (CA. and AZ) would allow these if/after the law goes into effect however.
http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/default.asp (http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/default.asp)
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i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:
Alan, Can you speak on this? I am interested as I have heard something similar.
Anyhow....Here are the boater exams for various states:
http://www.boaterexam.com/usa/ (http://www.boaterexam.com/usa/)
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i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:
This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.
As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.
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This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.
As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.
Thats good info Alan, thanks for clarifying. :thumbup:
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This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.
As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.
One could argue that a person would not be operating or in actual phisical control of the vessel while UNDERWAY>...
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One could argue that a person would not be operating or in actual phisical control of the vessel while UNDERWAY>...
I think you missed the point, doesnt matter if youre 'in control' or 'operating it' or not ...when its underway (not moored, anchored or aground), someone is held responsible.
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I think you missed the point, doesnt matter if youre 'in control' or 'operating it' or not ...when its underway (not moored, anchored or aground), someone is held responsible.
i get the point i just think this would be a fine line and have heard for diff. people that this has happened to them and not got in trouble.mabey the cops were being nice because they figured that the folks were being safe rather than sorry. Also heard of one time where they tied tubes to the boat and floated along side of it and said that the boat motor blew up and the man let them go.personally i dont want to be anywhere around a bunch of drunk stupid boaters i like my life thats why i no longer go to havasu .....too many idiots:(
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I cant figure out a way to get a spark arrester in my scoop. Its been on the boat since it was a year old and i dont want to change it.
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I cant figure out a way to get a spark arrester in my scoop. Its been on the boat since it was a year old and i dont want to change it.
Put it on backwards. As long as the flame travel is directed AWAY from the craft, you should be OK, EVEN here in Arizona. ;)
As a permanent fix, maybe modify the mouth of the scoop to be able to bolt in a cut apart and flattened flame arrestor across the front of it. Kinda like this of mine one is.
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Thanks for ALL the info. Was it as good for yall as it was for me....LOL! Are they really that stricked on exhaust noise?
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Great thread... 8) Do yourself a big favor and get a free inspection, take a free boating class, and leave the alcohol on shore... :thumbup:
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Muffling devices – Each boat must be equipped with an effective means to muffle the exhaust noise. The device(s) must be in constant operation and reduce noise to certain levels
Can we be more elaborate? My boat is quieter with headers on then off. Does this count?
Seriously, what is the legal requirement? Is it db related? Is it any muffling device? Is it a manufactured product designed to reduce noise?
I have always wondered. The hand out at Mead says 70db at 50' I believe. Nothing about mufflers.
Do turbos count as mufflers?
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89 at 50 ft ronnie
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Found this FYI
BULLHEAD CITY — Memorial Day is the traditional start of summer — even though the calendar says otherwise — and thousands of people are expected to flock to area lakes and the Colorado River this weekend for some holiday fun.
But that means potential danger, as evidenced by four drownings in the Tri-state during Memorial Day weekend in 2009.
“I hope everyone enjoys all of Bullhead City’s recreational opportunities, including the Colorado River, this summer,” Bullhead City Police Chief Rodney Head said. “Please be prepared for the upcoming busy boating season.”
The police department is prepared; the department’s Waterways Unit will begin patrolling the river this weekend.
“The Colorado River is a very busy and narrow waterway, so it’s important to know the rules and be a good operator,” said Cpl. Joel Baughman. “The most dangerous act I see on the water is PWCs (persona watercraft) playing and splashing each other. What they don’t realize is how easy it is to collide.”
Two such collisions contributed to some of the deaths in 2009. Also contributing was the failure of some people to wear the required life jackets. Under Arizona law, boats are required to carry a personal flotation device for each person on board; all passengers 13 and under must were a life jacket. And anyone on a PWC, whether as a passenger or as the operator, is required to wear a secured personal flotation device.
Another cause of accidents, according to the police department, is failure to abide by the rules of the river, namely that traffic should always travel on the right side, just like the rules of the road. Operators also should be familiar with the “proximity law: that states watercraft must remain 60 feet apart when maneuvering above a wakeless speed.
Alcohol also plays a factor in many accidents on the river and lake. Operating under the influence is a crime, equivalent to driving under the influence, and could result in penalties that include fines of up to $4,600 and a minimum of 90 days in jail.
Bullhead City boating officers will be patrolling the river through Labor Day weekend. Mohave County and the Arizona Department of Public Safety also will have a presence on the water this summer.
For more information about boat safety, contact the police department’s Community Oriented Police Problem Solving Unit at 928-763-1110.
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More than 150,000 expected to enjoy Lake Mead this weekend
Jessica Ebelhar/Las Vegas Review-Journal
Brian Ogden hurriedly lowered his 21-foot bass boat into Lake Mead on Thursday morning -- anxious to catch some fish before the wind picked up.
His white vessel bobbed atop the waves of the desolate lake, a scene he was grateful to find before the crowds set in this weekend.
"I'm not into all the boat traffic," said Ogden, who will avoid the lake at all costs this Memorial Day. "I avoid all that nonsense."
Ogden said he tried out the holiday weekend party scene at Lake Mead National Recreation Area when he had a bigger boat three years ago, but he wouldn't go on Memorial Day weekend again.
"I don't participate in all that drunken partying," he said. "I'm not a big crowd person."
And a crowd is definitely what's expected this holiday.
The National Park Service estimates between 150,000 and 180,000 visitors at Lake Mead throughout the three-day weekend, which is on par with how many visitors the lake had last year.
"We are gearing up for our biggest weekend of the summer," said park service spokesman Andrew Munoz.
Memorial Day weekend also typically brings thousands of visitors to other recreation areas in town, including Mount Charleston and Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. It is recommended that visitors arrive early, and with patience, to any of the three outdoor locations.
While chances of securing a camping spot at Mount Charleston are little to none, Red Rock is expected to have sites available before it closes for the season Tuesday.
Despite the wind, the weekend should offer nice weather with temperatures in the low to mid 80s both at the lake and around town, according to Maria Torres, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. Gusts of up to 35 mph are expected Saturday and Sunday, and up to 40 mph on Monday.
LAKE MEAD
The park service suggests lake-goers make this weekend a time to ensure their boats are ready for the summer season. Lifejackets for every person on board a vessel, a working horn, fire extinguisher and flares are all required equipment on each boat. Children younger than 12 must be wearing a life jacket at all times while on a boat. Although jackets are not required for swimmers, Munoz said they are strongly suggested.
The majority of the lake's drowning victims are swimmers, he said.
Even adults are susceptible to drowning in a matter of seconds when factors such as alcohol and heat accelerate dehydration, making a person tire quickly. Nine people drowned in the lake last year, Munoz said.
Munoz suggests designating at least one adult to keep constant watch on swimmers in the water to avoid any drownings.
The lake's level is expected to rise this season, leaving vegetation close under the surface, which can be hazardous to boaters, he said.
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Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise
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will they recognize my Canadian boating license or do i have to get a California one? and this throwable life jacket thing Ive never heard of that I saw that the sherrif gives them away or do you buy them ???
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Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise
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will they recognize my Canadian boating license or do i have to get a California one? and this throwable life jacket thing Ive never heard of that I saw that the sherrif gives them away or do you buy them ???
Gord, you won't need a license to drive your boat. The throwable life preserver is a Type IV, like $20 or less they're a 12" square of foam you can throw to someone in trouble.
They look like this
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You can get those at Spanky's in Parker if ya need Gord. Actually, I'll check, I might have a couple spares.
Regs require a lifevest for every passeneger, the throwable, a noise maker (Whistle or air horn), a class B fire extinguisher, your registration card, and what am I forgetting guys? Been in the sun all day so brain cells are cooked more than normal......... :sly:
Ray
I would recommend a LARGE anchor, and sand spike for BR though..........
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thanks Boat registration is something we dont have to carry in Canada I would not have had it
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thanks Boat registration is something we dont have to carry in Canada I would not have had it
I don't either, but am REQUIRED to. Mine are in the Safe Deposit box with my titles, life insurance, etc. Had "discussion" with a few lake cops about it, they understood. Here's why.
Arizona does NOT title watercraft. To sell one, all you do is sign off on the back of the Reg Slip, new owner goes to the Fish and Game, no questions, don't even have to have the boat there, gets a new reg slip in their name, or the one they give. Hell I transferred 5 boats one time and they never even asked me for an ID.
sooooooo..........I'm required to keep IN MY BOAT AT ALL TIMES, the ONE piece of paper that proves I own it.........so if it's stolen, and that piece of paper is IN THE BOAT as they require.........well, you see my point!
Ray
Anyway, THAT'S the law. At BR, you're in AZ, technically, even though a Cali address, and a good portion of the river we run is in Cali.
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Thanks for ALL the info. Was it as good for yall as it was for me....LOL! Are they really that stricked on exhaust noise?
I got stopped in topock gorge by fish and game and they tested my db level because I wasn't running baffles. Didn't pass by two dbs but I don't remember what I was at. They just warned me and said that from topock to havasu is refuge and it goes by federal laws. Just fyi!
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Guess I must have missed out on the good ol' days if drivin your boat smashed ass shammard drunk. Man, do I love beer.. something about the patrol boats in Laughlin makes me too nervous to enjoy myself if I want a few beers. Especially when you have smashengers (drunk passengers) I can't stand drunks unless Im one if them.
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Whats the law for passengers drinking? I've heard contradicting answers. Can they have a open container while the boat is in operation?
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Whats the law for passengers drinking? I've heard contradicting answers. Can they have a open container while the boat is in operation?
On my boat I say no. I want people paying attention and hanging on. You never know when you have to make a quick turn to squirt some river ants. >:D Your all ready driving a hotrod boat full of near naked women "hopefully " you dont need unwanted attention from the popo.
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On my boat I say no. I want people paying attention and hanging on. You never know when you have to make a quick turn to squirt some river ants. >:D Your all ready driving a hotrod boat full of near naked women "hopefully " you dont need unwanted attention from the popo.
Good point. I guess if I can't drink, they can't.... well, unless we're stopped checkin out the view
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Whats the law for passengers drinking? I've heard contradicting answers. Can they have a open container while the boat is in operation?
Try to avoid it...they'll spill their beer if you hit a wake and then
You'll have to clean it up.
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Dang Pat, you are being a killjoy bud >:D
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I'm working on shock absorber mounted bar bouys to remedy this problem
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I'm working on shock absorber mounted bar bouys to remedy this problem
Good one, put me in for a couple. My dumbass has been known to have bounced one or two LOL
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Not that I drink and drive, I'm talking water and the such :sly: :sly: Just for the pasengers, they spill and all no biggen deal, just wash it out, it is a boat after all :beer: :beer:
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Not that I drink and drive, I'm talking water and the such :sly: :sly: Just for the pasengers, they spill and all no biggen deal, just wash it out, it is a boat after all :beer: :beer:
Nice save... :screwy:
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Thanks Glen,thot it was pretty decent LOL
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what are the rules for driving my jet boat after dark?
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This is a great thread, I'm looking into buying a jet boat and trying to soak in all the knowledge that this awesome site provides!!
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I would just like to say that I live in a state, and near a large lake that saftey is LAST. Every big holiday weekend there is ether a fatality or severe injury. Recently two kids being pulled in a tube were hit by a Jet Ski going Mach 2 and not paying attention. the parents of one child had to make the decision to remove her from life support.On Memorial day weekend a drunk rammed his fishing boat into a pontoon and killed two brothers 9 and 13. It is a wild circus out there, no flag required for downed skier. We must police ourselves or the Government will. BE SAFE
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I would just like to say that I live in a state, and near a large lake that saftey is LAST. Every big holiday weekend there is ether a fatality or severe injury. Recently two kids being pulled in a tube were hit by a Jet Ski going Mach 2 and not paying attention. the parents of one child had to make the decision to remove her from life support.On Memorial day weekend a drunk rammed his fishing boat into a pontoon and killed two brothers 9 and 13. It is a wild circus out there, no flag required for downed skier.
It's sad to hear about any boating fatality :thumbdown:
We must police ourselves or the Government will.
But this scares me more than any knucklehead on a watercraft.
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unfortunately we are doomed to be governed , which is sad.but there are jack asses on the water, in every lake.
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unfortunately we are doomed to be governed , which is sad.but there are jack asses on the water, in every lake.
And being governed is a shame. With my first boat I was told at the bait shop/liquor store on the water at Piru by the clerk to just not be stupid and you won't get hassled
By johnny law... As she sold me an 18 pk of Coors knowing damn good and well I was well under 21.
It's now an alcohol-free lake because some saggy shorts, knee-high white socked guys got into a knife fight and booze was detected on both of them.>:(
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I don't think this question has been asked yet, do you need to have a flag displayed if you are floating your boat down river with people in the water?
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Due to the large presence of the Law Enforcement on the water doing safety checks lately, I figured it would be a good idea to put together a list of items they are looking for. This will help you avoid getting cited for items and having to pay fines - and more importantly, be safe. Alan (aka Boat Cop on PB) works for the Lapaz County Sheriff and assisted me putting together a list of items.
Be Sober - I think this is self explanatory
Registration - Make sure your registration is current and you have your certificate of numbers (registration card) with you on the boat
Numbers properly displayed – Block letters, minimum 3” in height, contrasting color to the hull, visible from 50’ away, and properly spaced: AZ 1234 AB or AZ-1234-AB. Current annual decal displayed.
Life Jackets - One Type I, II, III, or V wearable PFD for each person on board. For a type V to be counted, it must be worn. (must be USCG approved, readily accessible and in good, serviceable condition). Also, if the boat is over 16 feet in length, you must carry One Type IV (throwable) PFD. The Type IV throwable must be immediately available. Children 12 years old and under must wear their PFD when the boat is underway. (Underway means not moored, anchored or aground. Drifting with the engine off IS underway)
Example of Type IV Throwable PFDs
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Visual Distress signals – Must be carried on Coastal Waters (Ocean) and the Great Lakes. Not required, but recommended, on inland waters.
Fire Extinguisher – Boats less than 26 ft have to have 1 class B1 hand held F/E. 26 ft to less than 40 ft – 2 B1 F/E or 1 B2 F/E. 40 ft to 65 ft 3 BI F/Es or 1 B2 & 1 B1. Fire Extinguishers must be USCG Approved, fully charged, in good condition and readily accessible. A fixed system in the engine compartment can take the place of 1 B1 F/E regardless of size. (Arizona requires that boats less than 26 ft carry a hand held B1 even if equipped with a fixed system)
Sound Producing Device - A vessel over 39.4 ft (12 meters) must, at a minimum, have some means of making an "efficient" sound signal - (i.e. handheld air horn, powered horn, etc. - Human voice/sound not acceptable). Must be audible for at least ½ mile. Boats under 39.4 feet don’t have to carry a horn or whistle, but are required to give proper sound signals, when required.
Ventilation - All vessels with enclosed engine must have natural ventilation (at least two ducts fitted with cowls). All vessels built after 31 July 1980 must have rated power exhaust blower.
Backfire Flame Arrestor - Required on gasoline engines
Navigation Lights - Required to be displayed from sunset to sunrise and in or near areas of reduced visibility. In California, Personal Watercraft cannot be operated between sunset and sunrise whether they have lights or not
Muffling devices – Each boat must be equipped with an effective means to muffle the exhaust noise. The device(s) must be in constant operation and reduce noise to certain levels
Ski flag – To be displayed if there is a skier (or rope, in California) down in the water.
Ski Observer – Must be 12 years of age or older and constantly observing the skier.
CA: A person under 16 may not operate any vessel greater than 8 HP alone. 12 to 15 may operate with an adult actually on board the vessel. Under 12 may not operate.
AZ: A person under 12 may not operate any vessel greater than 8 HP alone. Under 12 may operate with an adult actually on board the vessel.
The Colorado River and its lakes are dual jurisdiction waterways, where each state (AZ, CA, NV, UT) may enforce their own laws anywhere on the River or lake. You may be required to comply with the most restrictive law, when there are differences in regulations (ie age of operation)
Check local laws and regulations wherever you boat, as they may differ from these. Taking a safe boating course will help you learn and understand the law and safe boating practices.
It's always a good idea to use boating safety. When you don't it's not good for anyone.
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Are you required to have boat insurance on the Colorado river? 19' Sleek Craft 455 olds.
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I don't think this question has been asked yet, do you need to have a flag displayed if you are floating your boat down river with people in the water?
Anytime you have someone in the water the flag should be out.
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I got stopped in topock gorge by fish and game and they tested my db level because I wasn't running baffles. Didn't pass by two dbs but I don't remember what I was at. They just warned me and said that from topock to havasu is refuge and it goes by federal laws. Just fyi!
Have any of you guys actually received a noise related ticket? If so how much was it? Maybe BoatCop can shed a little light on how stringent they are going to be.
Thanks this is an awesome thread :thumbup:
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I have not but I believe someone got one up by the Avi and I don't remember who though!
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I have not but I believe someone got one up by the Avi and I don't remember who though!
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I got one in back bay (just above big bend, but south of laughlin).....Back Bay is also a wildlife refuge.
It was NV Fish n Game. It was for no baffles. No DB test was taken. It was only a $150 fine, but it was also a misdemeanor :thumbdown: It will be on my record for the rest of my life probably. Petty, yes, but the industry I am in, thats a big deal.
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I got one in back bay (just above big bend, but south of laughlin).....Back Bay is also a wildlife refuge.
It was NV Fish n Game. It was for no baffles. No DB test was taken. It was only a $150 fine, but it was also a misdemeanor :thumbdown: It will be on my record for the rest of my life probably. Petty, yes, but the industry I am in, thats a big deal.
I thought it was you but I didn't want to call you out on it haha yeah from topock marina to pretty much havasu is also the wildlife refuge so rules are a little stricter!
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Wow a misdemeanor? That's BS! What about Parker?
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Have any of you guys actually received a noise related ticket? If so how much was it? Maybe BoatCop can shed a little light on how stringent they are going to be.
Thanks this is an awesome thread :thumbup:
I've been checked for baffles numerous times- Az G&F, Nv wildlife and BHC pd, all on casino row. Haven't been cited, yet...
Dan'l
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Are you required to have boat insurance on the Colorado river? 19' Sleek Craft 455 olds.
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Insurance is always a good idea. Its cheap and stuff happens. I've only been stopped once in Blythe. Busy weekend they were checking everyone at radio loading up. The sheriff asked for it but not sure if its needed.
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*at boat ramp loading up
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Is this boating safely?
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Coming in hot LOL :thumbup:
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Is this boating safely?
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Holy crap! That would suck. In the middle of an intersection that guy had to be mashing the skinny pedal for that to just "slip" off the back. Doesn't look like any thing is damaged either...
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No anchor needed!!
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This is a great thread, I'm looking into buying a jet boat and trying to soak in all the knowledge that this awesome site provides!!
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saaaame here!