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Discussion => The No Wake Zone => Topic started by: Nordie on December 12, 2009, 01:58:53 PM
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so since tuesday my truck has been acting really funny, and i couldn't figure out why until now...now i need to pay for a 200$ diagnostic, and then find out what injectors half to be replaced...each injector is approx 200-300 a piece...i might just do them all, but to do the job by myself it is still going to cost upwards of 2 grand...ouch...can next year get here already this probably has been the worst year of my life and i just want to wake up and be 2010
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i'd pay the 200 and replace only the bad ones. who knows, maybe its just 1 or 2...and if thats the case, that 200 saved you 100's
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yeah the deal is i found a company that will say all 8 and almost everything to do the job...you half to tear alot off of the motor to do these injectors it is a pretty elaborate job, the kit costs about 1400 dollars and they say it takes a first timer about 14 hours to do the job meaning me its gonna take 16-20...monday after work i am going to take the truck to a shop that is able to do balance rates on my injectors and see if they really are bad or possibly figure out what is going on, but from what i am told my type if engine is plagued by injector issues, and right at the milemarker where they like to go out...the good news is i know only a couple are out, but i might as well do them all...however one side of the motor is alot easier to get to if i have one or two out there...then i will go ahead and just do that side.....everything of this magnatude always happens to me at x-mas time...remember truck was broken into as well around this time
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Nordie, before you have any work done call your local dealer and give them the info on your truck (year, mileage) and see it it still falls under the warranty. You might be able to get away with a small fee and not the big ticket.
Next question though, how much hot rod stuff do you have on it and can it be removed easily?
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Just have the ones fixed that are broke. Mine (A Ford) is having similar issues until warmed up with the cold weather, and yeah, gonna be some $$$. Replacing these injectors is not something you really want to tackle on your own, IMO. Done it many times on Backhoes, Bulldozers, OIl Drilling Rigs and trucks. Not fun, and usually involves a lot more than just the injectors.
"And it is ordained, let those whom have thine warranty behind them thus work on thy diesel." ;D
(Not in Proverbs, but should be!)
Ray
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yeah they extended the warranty to 7 year 200k warranty for just the injectors i tried calling dealership and service dept. was already closed so i cant call them till monday...as far as bolt ons i havent got a clue...the visible ones are edge programmer, afe cold air intake, and 4 inch magnaflow exhaust...however my turbo is really loud, and the 02's i have heard arent like that so i think someone has messed with the turbo because i dont even have the cute little plastic engine cover...my normal warrany expired 10k ago when i hit 95k....bolts ons will not by any means be easy to cover up...they did my water pump under warranty with all the bolt ons there....
i found a site with the exact way of tackling this job and doesnt appear to be too difficult...the deal is i cant even afford the replacement parts right now let alone pay someone to do the job so it will half to be done by me...the good news is i have the step by step detail to replace then, and an account with alldata...so armed with them two im sure i will be ok....the hardest part is doing all this on a lifted truck...im waiting to a guy to call me back so we can scan my truck and diagnose the exact problem and the problematic injectors...if it is 1-3 injectors i will only replace them...if it is 4 or more i am gonna replace all 8...i remember my step-dad having chevy replace his cause he was out on the road, and had to and when it was all said and done the bill was 5 thousand dollars...thats right 5 grand...no way no how will i shovel out that dough...
if it wasnt for bad luck i wouldnt have any luck at all
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hey nordie what makes you think its the injecters and what year is your truck 08 09 10 had alot of warranty issues and recalls i think it would be a good idea to sign up on autozone sight for alldata info my find recalls sevice bulitins posted there but at any rate diag should be first step before you spend big coin you dont need to just my .02 good luck ;)
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however my turbo is really loud, and the 02's i have heard arent like that so i think someone has messed with the turbo
im not turbo tech, but i've owned a few turbo cars in my day. the noise you are talking about can be caused by a number of things, including the turbo going bad. mainly the fins are getting rough edges. you do have a engine programmer that probably increases the boost causing the turbo to work harder which in turn makes its lifespan shorter. also if you have a boost leak, that will make the turbo sound louder. of course you dont feel a performance drop, this is due to the turbo working harder to create the correct boost pressure.
just some things to consider. i dont know shit about turbo diesel trucks, but turbos in general all function the same.
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diag will be done tomorrow it will cost me 200 for one hour of diag...we are going to check balance rates on the injectors...lb7 duramax motors 01-04 are plagued by this issue i have spent since wednesday on the computer researching everything, and the symptoms are all there for injector issues...the motor still runs good, but i know for a fact that it is an injector...i wont be shoveling out dough for trouble shooting, but it is hard to find someone in vegas area that has a clue about these things...found one guy just waiting for a return phone call...i wasnt believing it was injectors till i decided to start my motor today, and finally found the white smoke, and the oil is a touch high meaning she's pumping fuel into the oil...im guessing it is just one injector, but there is a spec for replacement and i will replace all the injectors out of spec....then when the rest of em go i'll half to replace them as well...meaning i should do em all while i got the motor opened up right? my biggest concern is this is my only source of transportation and i got to goto work ya know?
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im not turbo tech, but i've owned a few turbo cars in my day. the noise you are talking about can be caused by a number of things, including the turbo going bad. mainly the fins are getting rough edges. you do have a engine programmer that probably increases the boost causing the turbo to work harder which in turn makes its lifespan shorter. also if you have a boost leak, that will make the turbo sound louder. of course you dont feel a performance drop, this is due to the turbo working harder to create the correct boost pressure.
just some things to consider. i dont know shit about turbo diesel trucks, but turbos in general all function the same.
actually i was thinking that the cold air intake causes the spooling sound...truck runs about 25 26 pounds of boost when on the go pedal
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Borrow my Pontiac, everyone else has recently, lol.
I got a bad over-spooling deal on mine late last summer and it was a bad wastegate. Unless towing heavily, uphill and really on the pedal, you should NOT be going into the 25-26lb range, I would think! Mine never sees more than 15 PSI when loaded or empty, flatfooted getting to speed on an on ramp. Towing the boat it'll rarely (The only time, I think, was the Temple bar trip last March) approach 20 PSI. Somethings seriously amiss here! Maybe the Edge programmer?
Hellifiknow! It's a Chebbie! :D
Ray
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if it were up to me i would be chasing 30-40 psi i think out of all the other duramax guys i know they have higher end programmers are pushing alot more boost...ive seen a 101 psi from a cummings getting 9mpg....the point is there is no issue with my turbo or boost...i been running my truck like this since day one...im at 108k and that is the margin for the injectors between 50-150k
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I dunno. I just remember Terry informing me (correctly, I might add), that built up boost pressure on an engine was a bad sign you were over pressurizing it, as it obviously cannot flow that kind of volume at that rpm. Diesel's can, and should, take more pressure, but more pressure= more strain on parts unnecessarily, as I understand it. You also need to flow more fuel as pressures rise. It's all about efficiency, as I recall the discussion (Actually, several before he drilled it into my lil brain).
But what do I know, lol. Ask Terry. 100 PSI is INSANE to me! And I doubt intake manifold gaskets and other parts last long with that, and I cannot even imagine the exhaust gas temp readings on that engine!
But I've also heard horror stories about the 6.0 in mine, and haven't had a real problem 'cept the cold running at our recent sub-freezing (45 degree) temps of late. ;D 129k and running strong as ever, once warmed up.
As it is, you need injectors, and this discussion is not helping that lil bro. It never ends, the cost of maintenance.
FWIW I just spent $400 fixing the g/f's Sable so it had heat because her ex-room mate put stop leak in to try and fix the leaking reservior. (what a FUN TIME THAT was, lol, asswipe clogged the new heater core! Luckily it withstood a 125 PSI pressure flush and a new blend motor).
Hence the Pontiac is free now if you need it as a loaner, lol.
Ray
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i saw something similar on pb. Our work truck just had them replaced right around 180k miles also duramax
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it is just my series motor that is plagued by this...they probably would have lasted a little longer but the additional tune probably doesnt help, and my step-dad same truck lost his at 95k it is to be expected and happened at an untimely manner for me, and i mean really untimely...as soon as my saving shrunk because i havent been working as much untimely...but with my recent luck i should have expected this right? tomorrow i will find out if my truck falls into the 7 year 200k warranty if it does i will sneak by with inches because after the 31'st i would be out of the 7 year plan....if not i get the walk of shame of borrowing money something i never have had to do before....the good news is i can pay it back, but i hate asking anyone for help....still waiting on a guy with efi live to properly diagnose the truck for me and find out if it is indeed the injectors....but i will almost garuntee it
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so tomorrow i find out if it is covered under warranty called the dealership...they said it should be as long as the injectors are the actual problem...they are going to diagnose it and that is going to cost 100 bucks for one hour diagnostic but if covered under warranty i am fine with that...so long as it is the problem lets all hope...they told me the only thing to void warranty would be a type of programmer...well lets just say no programmer exist in the truck right now...its on the work bench ;) ....and the warranty will cover rental car costs, but even if it doesnt 50 bucks for a rental car wont be too bad so if i am out 150 besides 2grand to do the job myself i will be just fine with that...only tomorrow will tell
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They gonna charge you the hundo even if the injectors ARE bad?
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yeah which is totally fine with me cause then they will tell me the problem and i can fix it myself...j&s diesel wanted to charge me 200 hundo for diagnostic so it's fine regardless...i will get to the bottom of this, but with my days of online research everything tells me injectors...
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Good luck Josh I hope it works out for ya :thumbup:
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i've done alot of injector work to those motors, if it's got a soild miss probaly a injector, if the oil is over full and does it when cold the injector o rings are going to bad real easy to fix about a good 6-8 hours
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yeah couldnt agree more....mine is more of a vibration im guessing a miss by a diesel a diesel standard...i was told by many that a good sign is the puff of white smoke at start-up and the fact that my oil is reading high but not super high if i was to guess i am out one injector is out...the balance rates will be tested tomorrow, but i am almost certain it is injector...not scared to tackle the job but if warranty covers it i am game...
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its alot of money, i just sold 8, with glow plugs almost 3900 if you can get it under warrenty that would be great!
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will find out here soon tomorrow afternoon i expect to get an answer....hope the next set of injectors make it long enough to trade it in for an 05-06 duramax
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yeah yeah laught it up...will find out tomorrow if warranty will cover it...service writter made it sound pretty promising
already got rid of the toyota cause my truck being gm in for warranty work my rental also has to be gm...some kind of rules just picked up an impala after beating the crap out of the yaris for a few hours....just ask terry
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Hey where did ya get that SCJB sticker ;D ;D ;D
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I thought I was being funny telling you how were you gonna drive a Cobalt, but a Yaris? Did you hooligans get any pics of what you may or may not have done to the poor lil thing?
Ray
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i pulled into terrys house couldesac...and pulled the e-brake had her sideways, and parked the puppy...terry can take a pic of the skid marks if he wants...no one else was there for my shennanigans
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i pulled into terrys house couldesac...and pulled the e-brake had her sideways, and parked the puppy...terry can take a pic of the skid marks if he wants...no one else was there for my shennanigans
Nice Josh, I have done some really Eff'd up things to rentals...way beyond pull'n the E-brake! get to work! ;D
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i pulled into terrys house couldesac...and pulled the e-brake had her sideways, and parked the puppy...terry can take a pic of the skid marks if he wants...no one else was there for my shennanigans
How did I know?
Ray
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its not very often i get rentals...so im generally nice to them...cept when they gave me a kia rio...i said im tearing this puppy up to teach them a lesson yeah!!!!!!!
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Hey where did ya get that SCJB sticker ;D ;D ;D
You have to buy a truck with one already on it. :D :D :D :D :D
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Well I got my answer from the dealership today...all injectors are right at or below specs...and the warranty has just expired so there is nothing that they can do...this is what doesn't make sense...they tell me that they fall right at spec and it is definately the problem...however its not to the point where they would replace them...but they are filling my crankcase with diesel fuel...you know just my luck I donnt think it well ever end...will find my sorrows at the bottom of the beer can
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That sucks. What are you going to do now? I know how you feel. My truck had problems starting when it was cold and would run like shit till it got to temp. The problem was the FICM (fuel injection control modual) and that cost me 1500.00 to fix. :banghead:
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I would find a district manager and raise holy hell >:D
People who spend 30-40 grand on a truck deserve better treatment. Maybe a smaller dealership with a hungrier service dept. might be able to "fudge" the numbers a bit and get it paid for.
When I started telling the long line of customers (all there at 7am @ the opening bell) about how they were not honoring the warranty on my Pontiac, the service mngr. got much more willing to take a second look at my Pontiac.
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It doesn't matter they aren't gonna do nothing because they are in spec...you wanna do it right just do it yourself....this is what I didn't need intermediate mechanics are expected to take 12-14 hours I'm expecting 20...these diesles aren't exactly easy this is why they over charge for the parts I got a picture by picture detailed map to do it, and an alldata account so I got faith, and the shop I will be using free of charge with a helper has all the tools available....at this point this is all I can do...the service writer was kind enough to give me an estimate...just starting with no issues was 4,200...
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i call BS and i would go over the service writers head.
so youre telling me they are 'in spec' but the thing runs like shit and they are the cause for it.
something doesnt add up. dont let them do this to you josh, push back.
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My .02 first who was the selling dealer and call them aslo all the manufactures have a customer care 1-800-bitch line and exsplian your problem to them and ask for some assistance with this or your not going to buy there product again :mad: and remember sqeeky wheel gets the grease they may fix it or possibly 50/50 your pay labor and they pay parts be a nice pain in the a$$ GOOD LUCK bud :thumbup:
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I agree with Brad. They can't tell you that it is in spec AND that the injectors are the problem at the same time. Get a hold of the owner of the dealership. I guarantee you that HE does want your business. He doesn't want you bad mouthing his dealership or his product. Tell him how many guys you know on-line that buy trucks all the time. "You wouldn't want me to tell them to stay away from LVFOrd would you?"
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isnt lv ford ownd by that king of cars dude with the blue jeany bangs the gong every time a car is sold ???
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Not to rub salt into the wound, but it is stories like this that made me afraid to buy a diesel. I'd love the power and better mileage than my Hemi, but the additional $$$ at every oil change plus stories like this one, just scared me away. It sux that this is common on a motor that is supposed to go 300,000 or more. Hope you get some help from somewhere Nordie.
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I agree with Brad. They can't tell you that it is in spec AND that the injectors are the problem at the same time. Get a hold of the owner of the dealership. I guarantee you that HE does want your business. He doesn't want you bad mouthing his dealership or his product. Tell him how many guys you know on-line that buy trucks all the time. "You wouldn't want me to tell them to stay away from LVFOrd would you?"
Maybe you should try the local Chebbie Dealer :thumbup: :thumbup:
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isnt lv ford ownd by that king of cars dude with the blue jeany bangs the gong every time a car is sold ???
No thats Towbin Dodge! What a joke that dealership is!
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i call BS and i would go over the service writers head.
so youre telling me they are 'in spec' but the thing runs like shit and they are the cause for it.
something doesnt add up. dont let them do this to you josh, push back.
This is the way that it was explained to me...the limit for the injector test is 160 out of the 8 injectors they fell between 160/158...not enough for them to replace, but it is definately the reason why i have raw diesel going into my crankcase...when your injector is dumping 20,000 yea 20,000 psi of unburnt diesel onto your piston it is bound to fill up your crankcase with raw diesel fuel, and the whole 7 year 200,000 mile warranty is bs it is 7 year 100,000 mile warranty...even if your truck was covered under the warranty which you are 8K past...we would not replace them because of the specs that they fall under...we have seen this occur before....god damn i will quote this 50 years from now still bitter...this is unreal...the bad part is they admit thats the issue...wtf?
I agree with Brad. They can't tell you that it is in spec AND that the injectors are the problem at the same time. Get a hold of the owner of the dealership. I guarantee you that HE does want your business. He doesn't want you bad mouthing his dealership or his product. Tell him how many guys you know on-line that buy trucks all the time. "You wouldn't want me to tell them to stay away from LVFOrd would you?"
unfortunately they told me this....i could probably piss and wine all damn day to them, but they wont give two shits...its the nordie's bad luck chain that runs around welcome to my world...i have been doing buisness with these butt pirates forever, and this shit rolls down...whatever im over it i need my fucking truck back
isnt lv ford ownd by that king of cars dude with the blue jeany bangs the gong every time a car is sold ???
no god dammit that is towbin dodge thats the aka "chopper"...at this point in time i would probably butt fuck him and kick him in the shin...he is for one a dealer, and two a rip off with a JIVE TURKEY ass show...anything and everything has bling bling...with his show CHOP IT
Not to rub salt into the wound, but it is stories like this that made me afraid to buy a diesel. I'd love the power and better mileage than my Hemi, but the additional $$$ at every oil change plus stories like this one, just scared me away. It sux that this is common on a motor that is supposed to go 300,000 or more. Hope you get some help from somewhere Nordie.
honestly with this whole issue i wouldnt ever switch back to gasoline engines....fuck that....it is just my series of motors in gm that have the inkector issues...like ralph has explained and i will quote him...an internal combustion engine is nothing, but an air pump....the diesel is the exact same, but everyone is so damn scared of the fucking things....whatever now i gotta do this on my own...if anything i should have extended the extended warranty and payed my 100 dollar deductible, and been done, but whatthefuckever....
any other questions im pissed off and drunk...and i been drinking whiskey
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Just an excellent how to on what i will be doing...looks pretty ugly...i have alldata as well
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279436
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Just an excellent how to on what i will be doing...looks pretty ugly...i have alldata as well
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279436
Need a log in and password to see it Nordie
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that kinda sucks it isnt really important
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So ya stuck doing it yourself ??? That sucks bud :mad:
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i cant justify them doing it and costing me 4 grand...could find the service writer either
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First off, I feel your pain. I have gone the whole ugly route which ended up in court to get GM to honor their warranty. Bad luck just seems to bring more bad luck, and you my brother have certainly had your share.
Saying that, I just have to ask . . . why do you feel so strongly that you need a diesel? You don't seem to drive excessive mileage and jet boats don't weigh much. For what you are going to pay for this job, you could just about pay for a crate motor for a gasser from any of the big 3. I'm just sayin' . . .
Now I'm gonna go crack a lovely Hangar 24 Orange wheat growler and drink to your troubles. Might not help you but it sure will help me. ;D
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josh, i love ya like a brother so im gunna dish it out in a blunt and honest fashion.
this 'poor me' bullshit has got to stop. you need to grab your nuts and go plant them on the dealerships desk. just because some jackass with a clipboard said "no" doesnt mean you have to go drown your sorrows in a bottle of jack and cry about it here. go over that guys head....go talk to another rep....talk to that guys boss. keep climbing the tree until you hit the top and if you dont get the answers you want, go to another dealer. ...even take it to one in socal. call them up and tell them whats going on. yeah, its not convenient, but it sure beats a bill and frustrations of doing it yourself.
so until you beat this path until no end, i honestly dont think youre options have resulted in biting the bullet and footin the bill to do it yourself.
and even then, whats to say you run into serious problems doing it yourself? then what? your hole just got deeper.
i went through this same shit with VW. they told me they would repair my transmission's 1-2 syncro because my front tires were bald even though there was a TSB out on it. i went to 4 dealerships in socal...finally i got santa monica to do it, even tho i had a FMIC, chip, CIA, etc. and i was 5k out of warrenty.
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yesterday was jack...today is cherry pepsi on the rocks....i dont think i am going to get the answer i want regardless...with todays economy they arent gonna do anything that they half too...and i really dont have the time to do battle i need my damn truck back...i can go and piss and wine or i can just do it...if more problems occur i already have a solution...
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i dont think i am going to get the answer i want regardless...with todays economy they arent gonna do anything that they half too...
why? how do you know? did you even try?
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couldnt find my service writer just got my shit n left ibeen so discouraged i really didnt care at that point and time
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Before we went to court I :
I ran off customers from the service writer's area
I ran off customers from the sales lot
I sat out on the curb with a big sign that said they sell lemons
I sat across the street after being told to leave the property by the cops
I ripped the phone cord out of the wall, because I knew he wasn't talking to anyone, he just didn't want to talk to me
I called the owner at home, first during dinner time. Later I started calling at about 11pm
4K is a months pay. I'd say you have a lot of work to do, before you have gotten 4K worth out of value from them for not treating you right. I'm not saying they should pay for it all, but they oughta at least work with you a bit.
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couldnt find my service writer just got my shit n left ibeen so discouraged i really didnt care at that point and time
so then you have no one to blame other then yourself until you really do care and go raise some hell.
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My buddy had purchased an altinater from a parts house and it took a dump a week later and they wouldn t take it back two days later they got it back tossed it through there front window >:D >:D
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I didnt have this kind of trouble at the FORD dealer! ;D
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what can i do really it is in such a gray area i can piss and wine goto court lawyer fees, and pissing an whining isnt gonna just make it happen i need my truck im paying for a rental car...take into account all the expenses it takes to really just fork over the dough and get the shit done...it is just a misfortune i didnt need right at this time, but they say no then thats the answer right? idk what else i can do...but i know it has to be done
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Get it fixed, by all means, but sounds to me like this "Spec" (whatever that number means) is the culprit here. Has to be a bogus, BS number if they know it's the problem, but falls within GM's parameters thus out of warranty....... Who was it that Obama bailed out again?......and why?........ O0
Sounds kinda like the banks that were bailed out so they could pay their 6 and 7 figure executive bonuses........ :sly:
Ray