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Kroggy3771

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Gas line repair
« on: March 09, 2015, 02:43:03 PM »
Hey guys, I hope someone can help me out with this stressful incident I am dealing with right now. Well I recently sold my old house in Eastvale back in December. The new home owners have advised me there is a gas leak in the line in my backyard. They are demanding I replace the gas line with the flex line instead of just fixing the leak in the galvanized metal line I put in my backyard when I owned it. I am hoping someone knows a reliable company or person who could help me out with digging up some concrete to replace the whole gas line and then redo the concrete. The existing gas line runs from the gas meter to the back of the yard to a bbq island then across my backyard to a gas fire pit. Please let me know ASAP if anyone does that type of work or knows someone that could maybe hook it up since I really don't want to pay out of my ass in money. Also I will need to get it permitted by the city. Thanks guys
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Blue2184

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 02:59:48 PM »
Don't know about a company? But their is a product called trac pipe that is a corrugated stainless steel that has a version that can be direct buried in the ground and in concrete... Pretty neat chit! And a hell of a lot faster than running iron pipe! Time is money!


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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2015, 03:17:30 PM »
Not sure that they have a choice as to how it is repaired, or if you're even responsible for the repair now?
If they had a home inspection done, and everythig was good at that time, I would think it's their responsibility. If they opted for no inspection, I would guess you're in the clear.
I could be completely wrong.
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Kroggy3771

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2015, 03:21:50 PM »
My issue is the gas line I put in was never permitted and I'll be honest I didn't know it had to be when installed. The issue of it not being permitted was not brought up in the disclosure paperwork because I didn't know it had to be done until the issues came up with the gas line. The guy is being difficult and its a long story. I am over dealing with him and his wife and being threatened to be sued. I am already paying out of my ass for a divorce lawyer and don't want to chance it in court so trying to fix it for them so they will just go away.
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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2015, 03:49:12 PM »
If not permitted then that means it's not suppose to be there go and cap it at the meter and call it good!!!! I have a cousin that owns a plumbing company that is good and honest. Not sure if goes that far out but will give a call and let ya know!!!


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Kroggy3771

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Gas line repair
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2015, 03:54:21 PM »
If not permitted then that means it's not suppose to be there go and cap it at the meter and call it good!!!! I have a cousin that owns a plumbing company that is good and honest. Not sure if goes that far out but will give a call and let ya know!!!


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Yeah please let me know. I know I probably dont have to go this far to help the new home owners out because I had the company that installed it go out there and they found a pipe that had a few holes in it from rust. They were there to fix it for them, but the owners told them to leave and told me they wanted it all replaced with that flex line shit or else they would take legal action on me. And I'm not looking to get sued. So I sucking up my pride and just trying to get it fixed so I can tell them to leave me alone.

I would appreciate if he could work out that way. Let me know thanks


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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2015, 04:01:50 PM »
I'd go and cap it off and tell them to f-off.   It's not legal so it's there problem now.
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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2015, 04:06:04 PM »
Just make sure and use some matches or a lighter so you're able to clearly see the gas line :D
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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2015, 07:05:39 PM »
Yeah was it permitted and to code?  Their only recourse is if there was an existing problem that you knew about that wasn't disclosed. Otherwise it's their problem now.


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Kroggy3771

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Gas line repair
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2015, 07:13:47 PM »
No it was not permitted through the city. My bad for not knowing I needed too (should of done research and my contractor should of told me) but no there was no leak that I knew about when I sold the house back in December


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BoatsNhoes

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2015, 07:33:33 PM »
Yup I agree" cap it and take pics. If it's there house then there problem " if they choose to uncap it and use it then it's there fault. All was fine when the house was sold correct? Besides a leak can happen any time anywhere.


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Kroggy3771

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2015, 07:50:33 PM »
Yeah no leak at all and have gas company payments to prove it.


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BoatsNhoes

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2015, 07:57:35 PM »
There you go all was good at time of sale"" I bought my house and a few months  later the mainline broke . My house my problem"" end of story ""


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Kroggy3771

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2015, 08:00:26 PM »

There you go all was good at time of sale"" I bought my house and a few months  later the mainline broke . My house my problem"" end of story ""


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I talked to a real estate lawyer and said its up in the air in court cause I didn't have it permitted and I didn't put it in the disclosure documents cause I didn't find out till after the issue came about I needed permits through the city. So who knows. So we will see where it goes then.


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BoatsNhoes

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2015, 08:04:09 PM »
Ok buddy good luck "" hope it works out for you. See you out on the water"


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GT Jets

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2015, 08:31:31 PM »
Do not go cap it yourself.  Hire a qualified contractor to valve, cut and cap the line. Have him write up a work order stating what he did, pay him in cash and hand a copy of the work order staying paid right on it and file it away in your records.

Do they have any proof or do they even know you put the line in the ground?

If they don't, call it a preexisting condition and they are on the hook for it.

If they do know, you will likely not have to dog a trench. They will have to obtain a permit from the city and you should be able to horizontal bore and pull direct burial flex. The permit and associated fees should be in their name. Your name is no longer associated with the property.

Personally I would hand them $500 and tell then to pound sand.

When I sold my last home, I paid for a warranty for the new owner,they tried to come back at me for a non permitted water line for an outdoor sink that burst because of frost. I told them to check the disclosure documents. It said the sink was valved off and abandoned and was non functional. Even though it still was hooked up and working.  I knew they would be a-holes.

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2015, 09:16:53 PM »
Yeah please let me know. I know I probably dont have to go this far to help the new home owners out because I had the company that installed it go out there and they found a pipe that had a few holes in it from rust. They were there to fix it for them, but the owners told them to leave and told me they wanted it all replaced with that flex line shit or else they would take legal action on me. And I'm not looking to get sued. So I sucking up my pride and just trying to get it fixed so I can tell them to leave me alone.

I would appreciate if he could work out that way. Let me know thanks


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Maybe talk to (or have your contractor talk to) the city inspector and find out what is needed to be permitted? If what he was going to do with fix would be OK, then I don't think you'd have to do anymore than that.
I can understand them wanting it fixed, but if they're demanding something more than what's needed …  :sly:.

As for the disclosure, I think the problem is that he did not disclose that the gas line was not permitted. If he had disclosed it, and they still bought the house, then I think it would be on them, "As Is".
He can't just cap it. He sold them a them a house with a BBQ and fire pit.
Good luck. I'm sure this is the last you needed with everything else you got going on.
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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 12:47:43 AM »
This is a common scam.  $50 for a nasty letter from an attorney and they have the victim rushing to make them happy.  If you have any liability at all, your wife shares 50% because the house is community property.  You should inform your divorce attorney as well as your wife's attorney because everyone stands to lose.

Regarding the flex pipe they want; it's not what they want it is what the code requires.  They don't just get to bonus an upgrade.  The pipe installed will have a life expectancy and depending on when it was installed, the value will be pro-rated for depreciation.

You, as the seller, are most likely not liable because you had to disclose everything.  It was the responsibility of your contractor to know about and pull the appropriate permits for the job.  You would only have the liability if you had performed the work yourself, then it is expected that you should know about the permit requirements.   Also if you knew a permit was required and you and your contractor proceeded without it.  The new owner might have a case against the contractor, depending on when the work was done.

Your realtor has to do "due diligence".  He or she should have gone over everything with you regarding disclosure according to the law.  It is the realtor's responsibility to ask the seller about everything.  Therefore your realtor has a certain liability in this issue.  The work performed by your contractor, involving the gas pipe, should have been disclosed.

The realtor(s) should have gone over all of the disclosures, you would have signed, and your wife also, that everything is accurate as you understand it. Then the buyer(s) would also sign off on everything.  If you didn't agree to any contingencies, like you will fix any issues at any expense for a period of time, the buyer owns that leaking gas pipe.

You need to go back and read through your final sales contact and verify that the disclosures were made AND if there are any contingencies in the contract.

Good luck,

Joe
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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 06:29:56 AM »
If there was no permit pull it cap and move on or they can by law make u pull a permit and do it all so tell them u can fix it or cap it I do pluming and ac repair 
There a special green coat pipe that u need to use with direct burial or what ever code is in eastvale or tell them u will do what code is not what they want


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Kroggy3771

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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 08:03:15 AM »
Honestly guys I appreciate all the great advice. I just want to move on from this situation and fix the issue for them and get a new line in, so I don't have any problems later. So if anyone does that line of work please pm me if you are willing to go over to the house and give me an estimate and then we can go from there


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Re: Gas line repair
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 08:05:58 AM »

If there was no permit pull it cap and move on or they can by law make u pull a permit and do it all so tell them u can fix it or cap it I do pluming and ac repair 
There a special green coat pipe that u need to use with direct burial or what ever code is in eastvale or tell them u will do what code is not what they want


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scotchkote is the green coated iron pipe, pe pipe is what it sounds like they're askin for, I'm a plumber and run these lines a lot, hit me up if you end up needing help👍


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Kroggy3771

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 10:24:18 AM »
scotchkote is the green coated iron pipe, pe pipe is what it sounds like they're askin for, I'm a plumber and run these lines a lot, hit me up if you end up needing help👍



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