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Am I too slow?
« on: September 05, 2010, 08:29:59 AM »
At lake Elsinore for the weekend. Woke up early to hit the water before it gets too choppy. Made a run and the gps says 56 mph.
The boat is a 73' Howard custom with 455 olds, high rise manifold and Berkeley pump. I have no idea what impeller is in there but assume it's stock.
Question is; is this a normal speed or should I expect more. I don't think my throttle cable is opening up the carb completely because of the angle of pull, but there is not much left to go.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2010, 11:57:09 AM »
i have a 75 california boat MFG and i do 40-45 on gps with a stock 455
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2010, 04:25:26 PM »
The guy I got it from told me it was a 65 mph boat and I hear people saying they are doing 75+. Not a big deal, just wanted to make sure there was nothing wrong. It feels strong when I go.
Thanks for the reply
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 05:17:09 PM »
what rpm's is the motor turning
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 08:01:17 PM »
I think you should be extremely happy with anything over 60 with an Olds.   I sure hope your oil pressure gauge is working accurately.   I don't thing there is anyone on this site running north of 70 with a 455, but I could be wrong.   Mine will top out at 45 but I am moving a boat the size of a small apartment.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 08:08:24 PM »
Rpm is around 3800. I never watch that gauge that much. The oil pressure stays between 40-20 psi. Normally starts and stays at 40, but at the end of the run, when idling it goes to 20. It will slowly rise back up over time. I have the stock pan on now but would like to put a bigger one on.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 08:58:37 PM »
your doing real good for that rpm :thumbup:
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 09:07:23 PM »
Hmmm that oil pressure doesn't sound too good to me. I had a 455 Olds for about 3 months, stock pan and I was pushing oil pressure at about 60 when on the throttle and 40 while idling.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 11:13:50 PM »
yeah i am doing 40 at about 4000 rpm...  lol  my oil pressure consistently stays between 50 and 60
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 11:28:17 PM »
Look on the bright side, You can use your oil pressure guage as a speedo..LOL! Sorry, dont hate me, That was my poor attempt to be funny.   ???
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 12:16:05 AM »
yeah i am doing 40 at about 4000 rpm...  lol  my oil pressure consistently stays between 50 and 60

Yessir id check the oil pressure issue, because it does sound to me like an issue. 20-40 sounds too low to me.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2010, 02:28:53 AM »
Oil pressure should be 10 lbs for every thousand Rpm, also a oil accumulator is a good addition at least a 1 1/2 quart one.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2010, 07:08:44 AM »
your doing real good for that rpm :thumbup:
let me re-state, your mph seems good, however, the oil pressure does seem low
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2010, 10:35:01 AM »
Thanks guys. I'll have to double check those numbers. I had the gps mounted on the dash and it obstructed the view of the other gauges. That and I was focused on the water in front of me and the speed on the gps. I'll try and get a video of the next run so I can be sure.
I thought the oil pressure seemed low but figured it is a stock oil pump, not high volume. From what I read it is better to run a stock pump on the 455 due to the return path of the oil from the heads. I watch the gauge and it never goes below 20 psi when the motor is running.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2010, 12:37:29 PM »
Another good addition for any 455 olds would be an oil filter relocation kit. From my own expirience, because the oil filter is bigger on the relocation kit you can hold another half a quart of oil more.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 12:06:35 PM »
My first boat was Olds powered, my best number on the GPS was 67mph. I beat quite a few 100mph boats with it. I wouldn't believe everything people tell you about how fast their boats are. Seeing is believing. As far as your oil pressure, what quality is your gauge and did you install it new? Not all gauges and sending units are accurate. I find that keeping an eye on your gauges for changes is more important. Example, it always runs 40psi on your gauge and today its running 35psi, this would indicate a problem. Same goes for temperature.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 02:11:35 PM »
My first boat was Olds powered, my best number on the GPS was 67mph. I beat quite a few 100mph boats with it. I wouldn't believe everything people tell you about how fast their boats are. Seeing is believing. As far as your oil pressure, what quality is your gauge and did you install it new? Not all gauges and sending units are accurate. I find that keeping an eye on your gauges for changes is more important. Example, it always runs 40psi on your gauge and today its running 35psi, this would indicate a problem. Same goes for temperature.

I believe it is the original gauge from 1973.  It has always run the same numbers from what I am aware.  I do see your point on that.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the motor, it sounds great and seems to have good performance.  It has a slight hesitation if you stomp on the gas but I figure that is just a carburetor setting or the vacuum advance on the distributor (I know I should get rid of it).
My only concern was that this is my first jet boat and I don't know if that was a good speed, especially when people are "running" 70mph.  Sounds like it is fine and I am no longer worried at all. 
Thank you everyone again for the responses.

Oh and I do have the oil filter relocation already on the motor.  It's relocated to the transom.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 02:15:32 PM »
At 56mph on the GPS you're doing great with an Olds. It cost me a ridiculous amount of money to hit 67mph. I could have built a faster BBC for a lot less money.
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2010, 08:32:05 PM »
Can i borrow a gps?
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Re: Am I too slow?
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2010, 02:47:56 AM »
AGAIN HV   oil pumps pump 25% more oil not MORE PRESSURE
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