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skee

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Whats the difference?
« on: April 21, 2010, 10:11:20 PM »
This may be a very stupid question (sorry  :-[) whats the difference in a Jet-O-Vator and Diverter? Two totally different thing's????? My boat is the 77 Spectra 18 with the setback "E" pump...which would be the best for it and what's it gonna cost to buy one?  Thanx,Tracy  ;D
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2010, 10:14:41 PM »
they do the same thing....berkeley's model which i believe is discontinued was called a jetovator....to me its too complex of a design for its purpose compared to place's diverter.....place makes the popular place diverter....

and i believe aggressor made/makes a diverter too

they all serve the same purpose.
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 10:20:20 PM »
i had one i added a g bowl short droop and added 2 1/2 inches to the ride plate and fixed the problem
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 10:29:31 PM »
The Jet O Vator is somewhat crude in it's overall design, the Place Diverter has been designed to be much simpler and I believe tougher...The biggest difference as far as I am concerned is with the later designed Diverters, they have somewhat of a built in ride plate (for lack of a better term) and that in itself offers better performance overall...Also have more articulation than the old Jet O Vator (more trim angle up and down).

They do the same job, but not the same. :thumbup:

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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2010, 10:40:06 PM »
Do they make one that fit's the pump in my boat and is more expensive than a normal jet? I know the "setback E pump" is a strange character from what I hear  :-\
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2010, 10:45:33 PM »
its easy to work on though clean out and bolts for the bowl are outside the boat
heres a pic of my old 18
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2010, 10:46:36 PM »
Do they make one that fit's the pump in my boat and is more expensive than a normal jet? I know the "setback E pump" is a strange character from what I hear  :-\
i bought my place diverter from cp performance for my spectra
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2010, 11:07:00 PM »
You can put the jetovator on your E pump, but the bowl need to be removed and rotated 90 degrees for it. SAme with the C and F pumps. Only necessary to remove and rotate the nozzle adaptor on the others. Not necessary on the Place Diverter units.

Jetovator, electric version, with JG nozzle attached.



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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 06:53:46 AM »
Good subject since I am still not completely clear on the whole subject.
Have I learned correctly that the Place puts out more of a roost than a Jeto?
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 08:16:55 AM »
The big difference is that the jetovator does trim before steer, and the place does the steer before trim (from front to back). I believe the jetovator linkage is much more complex than stock because of this.
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 09:10:58 AM »
The big difference is that the jetovator does trim before steer, and the place does the steer before trim (from front to back). I believe the jetovator linkage is much more complex than stock because of this.

100% correct. My running boats both have Place diverters on them, I have 2 Jetovators here that came with the Shrimpin boat project. There has been a lot of grinding done to the Berk Jetovators, none on my PD's, but these things look to me as if they'd throw a MUCH higher roost than my PD units.

Doesn't really look any more complicated than the PD unit, IMO, just different, in manual configuration. Hydraulic PD unit compared to these Electric Jetovators? Oh Hell Yeah! HUGE difference! Very complex how these work compared to a simple Hydraulic PD unit, which is why mines getting 2 PD units over these Jetovators. Don't need that complex, X2, on this deal. Gonna be bad enough with hydraulic trim tabs as well.

On a single jet, I'd be comfortable with either, in manual configuration. (Actually they are the same, the only difference is in manual the cable goes to a control handle and the electric the same cable goes to this power window motor operated 'cider press' dealio)

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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2010, 10:42:05 AM »
You can put the jetovator on your E pump, but the bowl need to be removed and rotated 90 degrees for it. SAme with the C and F pumps. Only necessary to remove and rotate the nozzle adaptor on the others. Not necessary on the Place Diverter units.

Jetovator, electric version, with JG nozzle attached.

Ray

Actually, trying to put a Jetovator from a JC or JG  onto an JE will be a major project and not worth the bother. None of the existing JE controls will match up to the Jetovator. Both the steering and reverse come out to the bottom right of the pump. The hull will need to be changed over to JC/JG type steering and forward/reverse control. By the time you are done, the time and money spent will have been better used purchasing and installing a NEW Place diverter designed for the JE control systems.
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2010, 10:43:31 AM »
You can not put the standard old school jetovator on an E or F pump, Berkeley made a special setup for those pumps. I cant seem to find a picture of it but it has this weird housing around it. The reason you cant use the standard jetovator is because the all the cables come out of the bottom left of the pump. Place Diverter makes two different arms that bolt on to their nozzle or you can but it complete already set up for an E or F pump. Matt
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2010, 10:45:24 AM »
 :banghead: Oldsquirt beat me to it by 45 seconds. lol :thumbup:

BTW he is also correct. Matt
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2010, 11:00:09 AM »
You guys are right! I forgot how my JE has the screwy cables coming out the bottom!

I think I have too many boats........ :banghead:

Ray

Anyways, yeah, PD unit for the JE goes on like a snap! Did mine in like 60 minutes or so, including drilling the transom for the cable.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2010, 11:05:53 AM by IRRebel »
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2010, 11:02:52 AM »
Place Diverter for the JE pumps...



Standard Place Diverter....

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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2010, 11:10:17 AM »
Berkeley Jet-o-Vator for a standard setup...

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skee

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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2010, 09:24:02 AM »
So I guess the nice way to put it is.......Since I have that "E" pump...I can't afford it!  :mad:  :sly:
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Re: Whats the difference?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2010, 03:34:46 PM »
So I guess the nice way to put it is.......Since I have that "E" pump...I can't afford it!  :mad:  :sly:
I see them used on Ebay all the time for E pumps. Also check all the boards (PB, THB, RDP, etc.).
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