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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2014, 06:56:27 PM »

I personally believe your comments are ignorant and judgmental. I'll put myself out there and say yeah I work as a law enforcement officer and I personally hold myself to a higher standard and some guys on here can vouch for that. Sorry you have a bad taste in your mouth for previous encounters with the LAW but I don't appreciate you thinking we are all the same cause we are not. I have a family and the people I serve in my community are treated exactly like I treat my family!!!





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everybody hates cops until there screaming they need your help unfortunately it's a thankless job my son's a federal tactical law enforcement officer.

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2014, 07:02:32 PM »
Dont really hate anyone.... Have lots of law type state/fed friends. Do the right thing not what your told will keep you a honest american citizen regardless of loosing your job.

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2014, 10:00:41 PM »
Your mom said most, not all. Everyone is entitled to there opi ions and that does not make them stupid nor ignorant. I have seen it, everyone has seen it, there are good and bad cops just like good and bad people. People are people and that's what makes the world go around. Everyone can't be as awesome as myself so let's all agree to disagree. There are 2 sides to every story and now I'm hearing harry Reid's son works for a Chinese solar company who wants to build a solar power plant there. The freakin Chinese.....what is this country coming to. A big empty state like that and they want fit there?
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Your Mom

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2014, 06:56:21 AM »
There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

riverrat4life

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2014, 09:38:01 AM »
your mom...i like your passion. kroggy...it sucks when a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch...alot of US citizens are becoming aware of "bullying" in general everyday do to the availability of different types of media. Not all cops, but some cops abuse their authority..."RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!!" -cartman from southpark,  ...unfortunately that is how the policing in america is being portrayed. More Americans are fed up, in general, with the fed, the war, the crappy economy, gas prices, etc... and watching media like this one doesnt help anything... But its doesn't mean all the "5-0s" are bad people. cops have to follow procedure and/also must use discretion when making on the spot decisions.

Your mom, the other thing, which im sure your aware of, is government take overs...did you know that "TYSON" controls over 90% of the nations meat products? any meat...cow, chicken, pig, horse, eel, the list goes on...

look at walmart, costco, tyson, mcdonalds, obama..all perfect examples of government takeovers...

I feel bad for the ranchers...it sucks that the only way a person can get heard now a days(by the way a bill was just passed by the supreme court supporting "FAT CAT lobbiest") is by the size of your wallet. If your not supported by the government these days and surcome to the governments needs, the gov will snuff you out. Small business is effected the largest of ways. this country was started by small business and everyday one of those samll companies get shut down because they cant afford the taxes..but yet the gov can bail out a failing car company that put millions of lives in danger(GM recalls..)..in my humble opinion, if ALL of america was run by small business, stop holding the worlds hand, and focus on the problems on our HOME turf, then we could all be happier..okay enough of that tangent..

To ALL members...WATCH THE MOVIE "IDIOCRACY"... some fictional movie predictions are already true...


I have MAD respect for authority...but...it has to be earned..just because your were a badge, doesn't mean your better than me. Same goes for people who have more disposable income than me..

money and power does not make you a leader. acceptance by your peers through respect makes you a god among men. George Washington was elected president because he was the best person for the job. obama was elected president because he is black? we need to all take the blinders off and bust out the cropping whip. be aware of your surroudings. always question authority. im pretty sure all good parents try to instill in them to never "settle" in life.

Call me an idiot, call me an asshole...but asshole and opinions go hand in hand as we know how that saying goes...

in my humble opinion  :)
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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2014, 12:51:34 PM »
Well here's a good reason...
The Bureau of Land Management has announced it would not enforce a court order to remove Cliven Bundy’s cattle and was pulling out of the area., defusing the nearly week-long siege on the Nevada ranch.

The BLM made the announcement Saturday morning, a week after rangers started gathering the animals from land near Gold Butte.

The agency says it is “concerned about the safety of its employees and the public”. Earlier this week, BLM officers with attack dogs and supporters of the Bundy family were involved in a nasty confrontation. Cliven Bundy’s son, Ammon Bundy, was tased twice by federal agents. A pregnant woman was also thrown to the ground by an officer.

This stand down order is happening with curious rapidity after a website exposed the possible inside dealing between Nevada Senator and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, his son Rory, and a Chinese company in order to make a $5 billion deal for a massive solar farm on a portion of the Bundy Ranch.
http://toprightnews.com/?p=2422

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2014, 04:53:32 PM »
This might help clear things up, or stir the pot more........

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2014, 05:34:54 PM »
That's exactly why our fore fathers gave us the 2nd amendment

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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2014, 09:07:56 PM »
This might help clear things up, or stir the pot more........


Well done vid...  What the government/ law need to be reminded is that they are employed by tax payers. The logo on law states to serve and protect. And hey these "morons" or what was the other word...buffoons like brad stated....stood up to these bulleys and won.
Heres a bit more.
http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-in-new-bundy-standoff-agree-to-release-cattle/


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Re: WOW RANCHERS VS THE FEDS
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2014, 07:06:46 AM »

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