SoCal Jet Boats
Discussion => The No Wake Zone => Topic started by: djthicks on August 10, 2009, 09:06:39 AM
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Hello all, I just sold my truck (2005 tacoma prerunner access cab 2.7 4cyllnder) i was pretty impressed that the 4banger pulled my 18footer... but time to upgrade. I'm looking into a 4x4 diesel but not sure which one yet ??? Does anyone have some good/bad info for me? Any advice is appreciated ;D
My old truck
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I never understood why people think they need a 3/4ton diesel rig to tow a little jet boat. W/ the trailer, you're boat probably weighs what...4000lbs? Maybe?
I use a V6 2WD tacoma to tow everything with a tongue on it. I've towed my old racecars on heavy ass dual axle trailers, towed on a dolly, I've towed 2 or 3 different boats with it too. I have no problem holding 75 or better up the hills with a trailer in tow in 6th gear, although I try to keep it around 65-70 most of the time. I might get a 4WD tacoma next time to make it a bit easier to get up the ramp, but my little truck works fine. My folks tow their boat (19ft outboard) with a 97 AWD ford Aerostar...and it does great.
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I never understood why people think they need a 3/4ton diesel rig to tow a little jet boat.
Well I would rather have a diesel than my expedition because the fuel mileage would be much much better. Could be a reason why so many people want a diesel.
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I never understood why people think they need a 3/4ton diesel rig to tow a little jet boat. W/ the trailer, you're boat probably weighs what...4000lbs? Maybe?
I use a V6 2WD tacoma to tow everything with a tongue on it. I've towed my old racecars on heavy ass dual axle trailers, towed on a dolly, I've towed 2 or 3 different boats with it too. I have no problem holding 75 or better up the hills with a trailer in tow in 6th gear, although I try to keep it around 65-70 most of the time. I might get a 4WD tacoma next time to make it a bit easier to get up the ramp, but my little truck works fine. My folks tow their boat (19ft outboard) with a 97 AWD ford Aerostar...and it does great.
i use 3/4 ton truck b/c i dont want to get 7.5 mpg with a v6 :screwy:
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I never understood why people think they need a 3/4ton diesel rig to tow a little jet boat. W/ the trailer, you're boat probably weighs what...4000lbs? Maybe?
My main reason I want a diesel is for the MPG, then i want to also make sure i have the power for any needs, and also be able to seat comfortably , plus during the cold months i go out to the desert to ride the other toys and would like to tow anything with no hesitation at all. I'm pretty sure the power is way more than what i need but i don't think more power isn't necessarily a bad thing...
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Diesel equals durability. Plain and simple. Last much much longer and the high price to get into one will be offset by the benefit of the power and longevity of it. Just my opinion which is completely bias because I drive a huge F250 Power Stroke. Fuel mileage sucks. I get about 10 MPG no matter if I'm pulling my 4K lb boat, a 25K house, or just turning those big ass tires. Chicks dig it.
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I got one word for you CUMMINS!!! That is the best engine out there. They last forever, get great fuel mileage (a friend hauls 18k pound horse trailer back & forth across U.S. with 18mpg average). I'm a die hard chevy guy, I love Camaros, Novas, & Vettes (I know, I know, I got a Ford in my boat). But when it comes to trucks, you can't beat the Cummins diesel. It took Dodge a long time to build a reliable truck to wrap around it but they did in my opinion. I drive an 05 Ram Hemi because it outpowered Ford and Chevy (and the new Hemis have even more power). I couldn't afford a diesel then but I could buy any truck right now, it would be a Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I worked for Dodge, Chevy, and Ford 2 years each so I've seen which trucks come through the service drive the most. The Cummins pretty much only came in for oil changes.
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Diesel equals durability. Plain and simple. Last much much longer and the high price to get into one will be offset by the benefit of the power and longevity of it. Just my opinion which is completely bias because I drive a huge F250 Power Stroke. Fuel mileage sucks. I get about 10 MPG no matter if I'm pulling my 4K lb boat, a 25K house, or just turning those big ass tires. Chicks dig it.
Thanks for the reply... Nice truck... is that the 6.0 or 7.3? I've been told that the 6.0s have issues and if i were to get into a ford to make sure its a 7.3. Do you know if that statement is correct?
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I got one word for you CUMMINS!!! That is the best engine out there. They last forever, get great fuel mileage (a friend hauls 18k pound horse trailer back & forth across U.S. with 18mpg average). I'm a die hard chevy guy, I love Camaros, Novas, & Vettes (I know, I know, I got a Ford in my boat). But when it comes to trucks, you can't beat the Cummins diesel. It took Dodge a long time to build a reliable truck to wrap around it but they did in my opinion. I drive an 05 Ram Hemi because it outpowered Ford and Chevy (and the new Hemis have even more power). I couldn't afford a diesel then but I could buy any truck right now, it would be a Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I worked for Dodge, Chevy, and Ford 2 years each so I've seen which trucks come through the service drive the most. The Cummins pretty much only came in for oil changes.
Thanks for the reply
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dodge 1 ton mega cab DIESEL >:D
its not just pulling power but also the stopping power, I can pull my 26'er with my jeep if i wanted to, but stopping it safely might get insteresting
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Thanks for the reply... Nice truck... is that the 6.0 or 7.3? I've been told that the 6.0s have issues and if i were to get into a ford to make sure its a 7.3. Do you know if that statement is correct?
the 6.0L had problems in the beginning '03 and early '04. from what i have heard its was people reprogramming the chip and not keeping an eye on the right vitals. if you buy from a ford dealership ask for the oasis report. basically gives you a detailed record of what has been done to the truck i.e. recalls and repairs
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Agreed, the 6.0 was only an issue early when they came out with it.
I had an 2005 6.0 Powerstroke and never had one issue.
But since I havent had a boat in five years(I know, horrible) I pulled my last two with a 1979 Ford F150 with a 351.
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i have 6.4 its baddass gas sucks 78,000 13 towing 15 highway & city you cant go wrong with a ford
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Thanks alot for all the response's everyone! Now hopefully i find a good deal on a truck soon ;D
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X2 on the 6.0. All the Ford guys tell me it had its problems early on, but mines an 06, not many problems at all of note. Running it in my F350. More truck than I wanted or need, but was a sweet deal, and seems to get better mileage than you guys are posting? Only really calculated it once at 19, towing to Mead. but I'm not running Earthmover Tires either. >:D
Now I wouldn't be without it! Towed a boat twice over hill and dale to Kingman from Phoenix, set the cruise at 70, only guage that really moved was the boost guage. Only complaint is it's so tall it won't clear my garage (No lift either!), not that It could otherwise, with a boat and most of the parts to put 4 more together in there anyway, but would be nice to fit it in if I wanted too!
My first truck, honestly, was a 92 Dakota Club Cab V6! Truck worked real good, and really would be able to haul damn near anything we would do with it. I once hooked up to my old mans TD9 Dozer on his trailer with it, roughly 8500 lbs or so together, and pulled it pretty easily for about 5 miles to a new jobsite for him. Backroads, mind you, not highway speeds! lol!
Woulda bought a smaller truck, but wanted a full size bed and a cab big enough to camp in if necessary!
Besides, the kids or anyone else riding with me have room to be comfy as all real water is at least a 60 minute trek for me.
Ray
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I pull mine with this...It only has the 4.6 and it does fine! I don't need all that fancy shnizzit to pull mine,I just cruise to get there and cruise to get back...Life's to short to always "rush" and chance it. I luv my "Lil' Truck" ;D
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Thanks for the feedback Ray :)
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I pull mine with this...It only has the 4.6 and it does fine! I don't need all that fancy shnizzit to pull mine,I just cruise to get there and cruise to get back...Life's to short to always "rush" and chance it. I luv my "Lil' Truck" ;D
But how do you feel about the MPG are you better or worse than the diesels? I'm assuming you get a little less since you're working more but correct me if i'm wrong...
Thanks for the reply also!
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Diesel equals durability. Plain and simple. Last much much longer and the high price to get into one will be offset by the benefit of the power and longevity of it. Just my opinion which is completely bias because I drive a huge F250 Power Stroke. Fuel mileage sucks. I get about 10 MPG no matter if I'm pulling my 4K lb boat, a 25K house, or just turning those big ass tires. Chicks dig it.
OK, but what does "ford" equal....(durability isn't the word I have in mind).
In 60K miles, I've had to replace the shifter knob in my toyota cuz the stitching started to come out. I change the oil every 5K miles...
How many Ford 6.0 (sicko) diesels have eaten EGR valves and EGR coolers...resulting in engine failure? Durable right?
Will any of you keep your trucks to the 300K - 400K mark? I doubt it. In which case, what is the concern with durability?
-Pat .... who's had a few drinks tonight and is here only to stir the pot........
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I gotta admit...The truck came with 3.73's in the "ass end" and still has 'em, along with the 35" tire's,so it's not all that great,BUT I can make it to my dad's in Willow Valley,Az. from my house in La Verne,about 248 miles,with about 3/4 tank,fully loaded(And I drive about 70 all the way).....I'm guessin'...totally guessin' about 14 mpg. Never recalibrated the speedo/odometer after the larger tire's,so i'm not to sure....but then again...I don't really care...When I'm ready to go to the River...I do what it takes! >:D ;D It's only money and ya only live once! ;D
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OK, but what does "ford" equal....(durability isn't the word I have in mind).
In 60K miles, I've had to replace the shifter knob in my toyota cuz the stitching started to come out. I change the oil every 5K miles...
How many Ford 6.0 (sicko) diesels have eaten EGR valves and EGR coolers...resulting in engine failure? Durable right?
Will any of you keep your trucks to the 300K - 400K mark? I doubt it. In which case, what is the concern with durability?
-Pat .... who's had a few drinks tonight and is here only to stir the pot........
I have an '05 F250 Super Duty Powerstroke crew....love it, would not trade it for five gas trucks... ;)
Pulling a 6500# boat up a 12% grade at 65 MPH while averaging better than 18 MPG with the air on and five people in the truck. My 5.7L gas Chevy would have needed CPR by the time we got to the top of the hill at 30 MPH in second gear...Oh yeah, while getting 8 MPG.
The only thing about the Diesel is the inconvenience of refeuling, The damn California F250 crews only hold 28 gal... :banghead:
Brain dead is all I have to say. :thumbdown: Mine now holds 68 gallons and regularly gets 20+ MPG if driven like an old man (70 MPH).
Another unsung plus, you literally cannot hear the engine running at 2000 RPM while on the freeway. ;)
I have had several gas trucks, 350 Chevy's, 454 Chevy's, 5.3 Chev, 460 Ford and a 360 MOPAR, you couldn't give any of them back to me...
Fixed it... :-\
GT
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OK, but what does "ford" equal....(durability isn't the word I have in mind).
In 60K miles, I've had to replace the shifter knob in my toyota cuz the stitching started to come out. I change the oil every 5K miles...
How many Ford 6.0 (sicko) diesels have eaten EGR valves and EGR coolers...resulting in engine failure? Durable right?
Will any of you keep your trucks to the 300K - 400K mark? I doubt it. In which case, what is the concern with durability?
-Pat .... who's had a few drinks tonight and is here only to stir the pot........
I wouldnt wanna keep my truck 300/400 thousand miles...I get bored with 'em and need a new one about every 2/3 years! ;D
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I had an 07 Tacoma 4 door/4WD with the 4.0 V6, I loved it, it towed my boat just fine and just about everything else I hooked to it towed equally as good. I bought a 2008 Tundra and I have yet to meet the trailer, boat, car, ??? I can't tow with it, I love this truck, 18 MPG unloaded, about 14 towing. You should def. look at them.
Skip
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I have an 07 F150 Supercrew with a 5.4. I love it, it's not the best on gas but whatcha gonna do? I don't have enough room at my hosue to park a Duty nor did I want to spend 45k on a truck.
My truck comfortably holds 4 people and will tow anything. It came with the towing package so it came stock with 3.73 gears and a bigger trans cooler. I can't even feel my 18 foot Hallett behind it.
I even used to tow my 92 Ranger PreRunner on a Carson dual axle flat bed trailer, all in the PreRunner and trailer wighed about 7k, and the F150 towed it just fine. (Electronic trailer brakes were needed tho)
I get about 14.7 around town and 12.5 when i'm towing.
Oh yeah and if you're into Chevy's they are doing 0% for 60 months right now or 3500 cash back, go get yourself a new truck brother, they are giving good quality shit away right now!
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I have an '05 F250 Super Duty Powerstroke crew....love it, would not trade it for five gas trucks... ;)
Pulling a 6500# boat up a 12% grade at 65 MPH while averaging better than 18 MPG with the air on and five people in the truck. My 5.7L gas Chevy would have needed CPR by the time we got to the top of the hill at 30 MPH in second gear...Oh yeah, while getting 8 MPG.
The only thing about the Diesel is the inconvenience of refeuling, The damn California F250 crews only hold 28 gal... :banghead:
Brain dead is all I have to say. :thumbdown: Mine now holds 68 gallons and regularly gets 20+ MPG if driven like an old man (70 MPH).
Another unsung plus, you literally cannot hear the engine running at 2000 RPM while on the freeway. ;)
I have had several gas trucks, 350 Chevy's, 454 Chevy's, 5.3 Chev, 460 Ford and a 360 MOPAR, you couldn't give any of them back to me...
Fixed it... :-\
GT
agreed i got a 05 deramax diesel. cant beat a diesel somthing about it. almost bot a 09 1500 crew cab and my buddys talked me into get a diesel and would never trade for gas. think ill be going diesel for the rest of my life... best truck ive ever had by far.. (https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi151.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs145%2Fwestwerx%2Fboat046.jpg&hash=7068283a43099972bfc57e922488cf06f19fe22f)
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This is a good topic and has been brought up on more then one occasion...after long beach last weekend I now know why I have a diesel...brads 5.3 z71 silverado was getting 13.8 mpg towing to long beach...but man when I was driving it pulling them grades that thing would kick down and rev and just down right scare the piss out of me...my 02 duramax pulling a 24 foot toy box loaded got better mileage and would maybe kick down one gear mostly stayed in overdrive though...I swear I'm a diesel guy for good now too...02 duramax crew cab 4x4 6.6 duramax...I love beating them 6.0 powersmokes up the hills...beat a couple cummings too...I'm by no means a 6.0 powersmoke guy seems like they make a lot of noise and don't go anywhere...
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i tow with a 00 ford 7.3 with a bully dog six position chip, k&n, upgraded turbo and a 5" stainless exhaust from the turbo back. towing our work trailer which is 30' and full of shit at 15k lbs i get around 18mpg doing 65-70. i make right around 30lbs of boost and i love teasing little rice burners.
THe Beav
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Nice, thanks for the feedback guys... I found a truck, haven't had a chance to check it out yet since the location is pretty far from me but what do you guys think?
04 F250 4x4 crew cab xlt
6.0 Turbo Diesel
5 speed Torqueshift Automatic
4" pro comp lift
Double bilsteins up front
35" pro comp all terrains
16" moto metal wheels
RBP Turbo back 5" exhaust (loud whistle)
K&N air filter
PPE power programmer chip
New Batteries (2)
New alternator
New Fuel pump
New Fuel Injection Control Module
Viper motion sensor alarm with remote start
Billet grill
Lund soft tonneau cover
Brake controller
Many Other extras
MUST SEE AND HEAR
155k highway miles
just serviced runs excellent!!
Turbo and heads warranty replaced under 100kmiles, the clockspring needs to be replaced so at this point there isn't cruise control or a horn. $13,800
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Nice, thanks for the feedback guys... I found a truck, haven't had a chance to check it out yet since the location is pretty far from me but what do you guys think?
New alternator
New Fuel pump
New Fuel Injection Control Module
155k highway miles
Turbo and heads warranty replaced under 100kmiles, the clockspring needs to be replaced so at this point there isn't cruise control or a horn. $13,800
I think all the "new" stuff, the turbo and heads being replaced @ less than 100K and the lack of CC make me say, NO THANK YOU :thumbdown:
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I think you will love that truck. I will not set here and tell you I have not had problems with my truck because I have. I had to replace the High Pressure Oil Pump about a month ago and it cost a ton to do it. It has had it's EGR issues that I believe to all be hind me now. I love my truck.
For Nordie, I promise you that I will not get beat up the hill by a chevy, empty, pullilng, loaded or any other way. Granted my truck is not stock. It does "make alot of noise" but trust me, it goes. I have shown many a Cummins guy just how fast my 6.0 is much to their dismay. It's always fun. Haven't had a chevy with the guts to pull up next to me yet. LOL. This topic is awesome by the way.
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I think all the "new" stuff, the turbo and heads being replaced @ less than 100K and the lack of CC make me say, NO THANK YOU :thumbdown:
If I didn't know anything about these trucks I might agree with you Skip however, I do know quite a bit about them and I can tell you that the things listed are the problem areas for that year model (minus the alternator) and now that they have been replaced he should be good. That FICM is a biggie. Ask CJ222, he is going through that right now. Understanding it sucks really bad to put money into a truck that you bought expecting to be worry free, after you get the recall issues taken care of and get the better parts installed these trucks are plain amazing. Noone will ever convince me otherwise. Good luck with that truck.
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Thanks Skip and Jimmy for the responses... yeah the guy said as soon as I replace the clockspring the horn and CC should not be an issue, I did see a 5.7 similar to yours Skip(2008 4X4 CrewMax Automatic, 5.7L V8, 11,500 miles $15,000 ) but i don't want to rush it since i'm leaving to Cancun this Saturday for a week... I guess we'll see if that diesels still available when I get back.
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2008 4X4 CrewMax Automatic, 5.7L V8, 11,500 miles $15,000 /quote]
That is a smokin' deal :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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2008 4X4 CrewMax Automatic, 5.7L V8, 11,500 miles $15,000 /quote]
That is a smokin' deal :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
yeah I know I haven't seen a tundra that cheap before AND its also 4x4
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That FICM is a biggie. Ask CJ222, he is going through that right now.
Ya I just dropped 1400 bucks at the Ford dealer. :thumbdown:
But Its running awsome again and I love it! I have an 03 4x4 F350 on 38" tires. It has the Banks six gun programer in it with 4" stainless from the turbo back straight pipe. No cat or muffler and the turbo is loud ass hell! ;D The truck is a beast! I can smoke my 38" tires pulling the 23' Daytona and I love the looks people give me when I do it! The truck is awsome! :thumbup:
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I kinda have to agree with Jimmy. Yeah, my 6.0 is noisy, ask my neighbors at 3:30 in the morning some days! But I am impressed as hell with the thing! Never rode in a Duramax or a Cummins, but when I get on the freeway, she'll wind up to 75 on the ramp before merging like nothing, even with the boat on there! I have to flatfoot my Pontiac to do that. It's an impressive combination, I can tell you that much.
Ray
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so CJ222, what do you think about the f250 above with the mention issue and repairs made already? You think the truck is solid now?
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I would have to think so!
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my opinion. i wounldnt get a 6.0 there been alot of problems with those motors. if you want to go ford go pre 06' the 7.3 is a lot better built motor.. not trying to rain on anybody praide here i own a ford :thumbup:. if you want somthing newer i would go dodge cummings or a deramax. just remember diesels dont even break in for 100k. and will last to 250k all day so dont worry about the miles to much...
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Thanks for the response's :)
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I love watching guys keep turning their trucks up and me still smoking them leaving mine on 3...I just run an edge 4inch exhaust afe cold air...and I think the previous owner did something with the turbo none of my hoses are stock but I don't know what...25 26 pounds of boost not that much really...ate up a 7.3 with a garret bb turbo in it and all kinds of goodies...mostly beat up on 6.0 and cummings...
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I use my 2500HD over my 1500 Silverado. Don't need brakes or sway package. Just put it in tow mode and go. I know over bumby roads my single cab short bed 1500 would be thrown around. Can hardly notice the boat in a Crew Cab standard bed 2500HD.
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buy a chevy i had 2 fords before this and they were nothing but problems i love the chevy dosent have the elbow room but it dosent break ;)