Comp Jet racing

« **on:** December 11, 2009, 07:49:56 PM »

what's the $ per race no bullshtt what's the $ and what's the best hull length and brand
im just thinking about this so how much is the bottom line and any info on rules would be cool
thanks ken

« **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:11:51 PM »

The cost is pretty easy to figure out....

Think about everything you need equipment wise...

Boat
Motor (or two)
Safety equip.
Fuel
Spare parts
Lodging
Tow vehicle maintenance
Association fees
Racing fees
Time off of work to both work on and race boat.
Food while on the road..

Now figure it out to the exact penny, then multiply this number by 3.5, I think you will be in the park.

GT

« **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:29:05 PM »

You want to be competitve? figure an easy $12 grand for your boat, pump, engine. Add another grand for gear. Hope like hell you can make your motor last all season without breaking and figure on a grand a race in fuel, travel, supplies, entry fees etc.

There you go, I'm sure others will chime in.

« **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:30:45 PM »

And them some...X 2

« **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:39:11 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 11, 2009, 08:29:05 PM

You want to be competitve? figure an easy $12 grand for your boat, pump, engine. Add another grand for gear. Hope like hell you can make your motor last all season without breaking and figure on a grand a race in fuel, travel, supplies, entry fees etc.

There you go, I'm sure others will chime in.

Dude my helmet all by itself cost over $800...Get a LifeLine and there goes another $400, add a driving suit, shoes, wetsuit (for us, for hypothermia) another $200, and most of it needs to be recertified every (used to be) 3 years...I had over $2K in "Gear" and over $25K in the boat with over $15 K in engine (1) and we had a spare BBC (in my jet boat now)..BTW, we were just poor whiteboys and all our stuff was second or third hand (with the exception of safety stuff...)

I am a worst case scenerio guy, I mean no offense at all, just being real.

Unless you have a boat and $10,000, you will be short.

« **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2009, 05:44:17 AM »

never kept track, get a boat then a motor and so on. its all about baby steps unless you got deeeeeeep
pockets.

« **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2009, 05:51:22 AM »

Quote from: Ralph Brunt on December 12, 2009, 05:44:17 AM

never kept track, get a boat then a motor and so on. its all about baby steps unless you got deeeeeeep
pockets.

where do i get info on rules and all that good stuff and what's the best hull length and can I wright this off at tax time

« **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:07:00 AM »

Quote from: challenger on December 12, 2009, 05:51:22 AM

where do i get info on rules and all that good stuff and what's the best hull length and can I wright this off at tax time

rules can be found here
http://apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010IE.pdf
scroll down until you get to the comp/jet section
i think most guys are running 18,19 foot hulls

tax time? i dunno

ive been told you can do it as a business, but, you will not be able to show a profit so after 2 years they will start looking at you. NOTE i have NEVER done this.... so i really dont know

more info here
http://www.compjetracing.com/
any other

?'s just ask, if I/we here on the boards dont know I/we will get the answer for you

« **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:23:55 AM »

Quote from: challenger on December 12, 2009, 05:51:22 AM

where do i get info on rules and all that good stuff and what's the best hull length and can I wright this off at tax time

yes and no. I suggest you talk to your CPA.

« **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2009, 08:12:57 AM »

Steve Smith Publications has a lot of good books on how to run a team, sponsorship and marketing.

http://www.ssapubl.com/

This one is about racing/taxes

http://www.ssapubl.com/product.aspx?nbr=S217

Good luck... your gonna need it

« **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2009, 10:25:36 AM »

I was talking with a fellow (way Older than me) who worked on a drag car and he pretty much summed it up in a nut shell.
A really well known owner told him once, "The best way to make a small fortune in racing is to start off with a BIG one."

-beerjet-

« **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:23:40 AM »

Thanks for the input on this
Well it was nice thinking about but I just don’t have that kinda $ fuuk you guys out there racing sure love this shtt to dump that kind of $ in it

O ya thanks for scaring the shtt out me on this one

« **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:33:20 PM »

Challenger-- don't get scared out of it, just put a fin and a kill switch on your ski boat and run nastalgia jet , you can't run over 80 mph, shouldn't cost to much to step it up to run 80 mph, run for s season, you will love it. and it will bite you, you'll build a comp. jet the next year, if you need pointers call me, Jim

« **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:27:06 PM »

Quote from: jim brock on December 12, 2009, 12:33:20 PM

Challenger-- don't get scared out of it, just put a fin and a kill switch on your ski boat and run nastalgia jet , you can't run over 80 mph, shouldn't cost to much to step it up to run 80 mph, run for s season, you will love it. and it will bite you, you'll build a comp. jet the next year, if you need pointers call me, Jim

EXactly . . . 80 mph on water is haulin' ass and expensive. No brakes = shit happens fast
Learn the ropes and have a FUN time in N/J Walk before you run is always good advice.

« **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:30:35 PM »

Quote from: jim brock on December 12, 2009, 12:33:20 PM

Challenger-- don't get scared out of it, just put a fin and a kill switch on your ski boat and run nastalgia jet , you can't run over 80 mph, shouldn't cost to much to step it up to run 80 mph, run for s season, you will love it. and it will bite you, you'll build a comp. jet the next year, if you need pointers call me, Jim

I agree with Jim here. This is by far the cheapest class to run. I recommend coming out with whatever boat you have (at first,as long as its a legal boat by APBA standards). Get on the water and see if this business is for you . I would recommend borrowing a helmet and jacket for the first time (and other pertinent safety eq.). Then, if you get bit by the racin' bug, step up to a race hull , engine and the rest of the necessary evils.

And to answer your Question of how much an average weekend of racing costs...It's about 1k. This is what I personally average. This is without breakage or any other mishaps. Hope this helps.

« **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:33:01 PM »

Running N/J would be great, if there were enough people to run the class. That's the suck part, hell I could, and probably would run my boat in N/J if there were enough NJ boats to run with. Hmmmmmmmmm

« **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 12, 2009, 07:33:01 PM

Running N/J would be great, if there were enough people to run the class. That's the suck part, hell I could, and probably would run my boat in N/J if there were enough NJ boats to run with. Hmmmmmmmmm

skip im trying to get everything together... i just got my backup motor tonight i think it might be ok its only 30 over

« **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:48:03 PM »

Quote from: lilrick on December 12, 2009, 07:30:35 PM

I agree with Jim here. This is by far the cheapest class to run. I recommend coming out with whatever boat you have (at first,as long as its a legal boat by APBA standards). Get on the water and see if this business is for you . I would recommend borrowing a helmet and jacket for the first time (and other pertinent safety eq.). Then, if you get bit by the racin' bug, step up to a race hull , engine and the rest of the necessary evils.

And to answer your Question of how much an average weekend of racing costs...It's about 1k. This is what I personally average. This is without breakage or any other mishaps. Hope this helps.

fock i think im bit by the racin' bug are ready i go to bed thinking about it and shtt i think about it all day

« **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:48:40 PM »

Last year when I came out to race, thought i'd be racing N/J, was bumped up to C/J.
It all worked out fine, just stayed to the outside and out of the way.

I usually end up paying for two vehicles to drive out and 2 rooms. Cost 1200 - 1500 per race for me.

« **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:55:47 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 12, 2009, 07:33:01 PM

Running N/J would be great, if there were enough people to run the class. That's the suck part, hell I could, and probably would run my boat in N/J if there were enough NJ boats to run with. Hmmmmmmmmm

Me 2 $:-\$

I could make a race or two...Just gotta get some financial poop settled first....Hey Tommy, may need to call you up on that list brotha.

GT

« **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:57:45 PM »

the only difference between NJ and CJ is the GPS, nothin to be afraid of ......except the fact that jet boats are still jet boats........Sorry guys. Eventually and hopefully all of you will use the JET BOAT as a stepping stone to a flatty or some type of v-drive. Not talkin shit, but race one and you WILL UNDERSTAND!!! hehehhe.... carry on.

« **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2009, 08:14:00 AM »

Quote from: terrytav on December 13, 2009, 07:48:17 AM

SKIP Your a promotor type of guy BRING IT BACK Personally i always loved N/J Racing. It was a lot of fun and it was a whole lot cheaper to race. The class needs some new blood and im sure that the promoters would put it on the sanctions. Bring out the ski boats and have some fun.

now your talkin

hell i mite even drag my liberty out $:-\$

the best fun i ever had was in n/j

« **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2009, 09:35:00 AM »

Quote from: terrytav on December 13, 2009, 07:48:17 AM

SKIP Your a promotor type of guy BRING IT BACK Personally i always loved N/J Racing. It was a lot of fun and it was a whole lot cheaper to race. The class needs some new blood and im sure that the promoters would put it on the sanctions. Bring out the ski boats and have some fun.

Ok Terry, challenge accepted!

Who do I call to get NJ back on the roster? Ross? Or are you talking about me promoting races? I'll call you later

« **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2009, 09:57:16 AM »

sell it, drive it, promote it, whore it, whatever.

call ross, he will put you in contact with brad stillman who i believe still has a hand in the nostalgia classes.

« **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2009, 10:20:01 AM »

Quote from: Brad @ SoCalJetBoats.com on December 13, 2009, 09:57:16 AM

sell it, drive it, promote it, whore it, whatever.

call ross, he will put you in contact with brad stillman who i believe still has a hand in the nostalgia classes.

I'm looking at things from a financial standpoint, the NJ thing seems doable, even Momma agrees.

I would love to promote a race but if you recall when I brought this up last year, I got nothing but turmoil from all sides. I wanted to do strictly INBOARD boats, not just a race but an entire weekend, akin to the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion, old racers and their boats sharing beers and swapping lies, swap meet, vendors, just a good time. I found the venue, I needed a sanctioning body on board to make insurance even close to affordable, as soon as I told people that it would not include the whackers, and that I didn't really want it to be a points race, more of a destination race, everyone quickly disappeared. No promoting for me.

I'll email Ross, and keep y'all posted.

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