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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: 90ultra21lx on September 23, 2016, 09:34:01 PM
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Hey guys, so u may or may not have seen my last post about 454 won't stay running, idles then shuts off, got it fixed, gs said o ring in jet, my big question is, my mechanic (yes he works on my classic truck not boat) but he's good mechanic lol... He took my carb apart before I took it to gs and he said a big problem is my intake manifold doesn't match my carb, I'm not a mechanic so doin my best to describe it, there's a spacer in between my carb and intake manifold, it's like an inch thick or so, and the holes in the stock spacer or bracket don't line up perfect to the holes in the bottom of my carb, I can see it pretty easily but it's been set up like this for long time according to old owner and I honestly believe him 100%... But mechanic is saying its starving for air, cause spacer holes don't line up n I need new manifold.. My question if this makes sense is do u guys agree or no with my mechanic??
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Hey guys, so u may or may not have seen my last post about 454 won't stay running, idles then shuts off, got it fixed, gs said o ring in jet, my big question is, my mechanic (yes he works on my classic truck not boat) but he's good mechanic lol... He took my carb apart before I took it to gs and he said a big problem is my intake manifold doesn't match my carb, I'm not a mechanic so doin my best to describe it, there's a spacer in between my carb and intake manifold, it's like an inch thick or so, and the holes in the stock spacer or bracket don't line up perfect to the holes in the bottom of my carb, I can see it pretty easily but it's been set up like this for long time according to old owner and I honestly believe him 100%... But mechanic is saying its starving for air, cause spacer holes don't line up n I need new manifold.. My question if this makes sense is do u guys agree or no with my mechanic??
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Allow me to call bullshit.
That is likely an adaptive spacer. From square bore to spread and vice-versa.
GT
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Allow me to call bullshit.
That is likely an adaptive spacer. From square bore to spread and vice-versa.
GT
So it's fine right? That's what I think since its been like that for long long time according to old owner, I know my mechanic is just trying to look out for me, he's a good old school guy, but we all wrong sometimes right haha
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Scratch boat running again, stranded on perris as we speak fuck I love gs marine
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Scratch boat running again, stranded on perris as we speak fuck I love gs marine
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That sucks, hope you get it figured out soon. I've been burned by gs and will never go there again, but others have had great results.
My .02
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That sucks, hope you get it figured out soon. I've been burned by gs and will never go there again, but others have had great results.
My .02
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Yup I think I'm done with em too... Hey gt jets what'd u mean u call bullshit on the intake? U agree with my mechanic or with old owner on that??
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Yup I think I'm done with em too... Hey gt jets what'd u mean u call bullshit on the intake? U agree with my mechanic or with old owner on that??
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I don't see how a port mismatch on the carburetor flange (unless we're talking 4500 to 4150) causing a running problem or intermittent die.
What did you say Greg's guys found?
I've known Shoe for a long time, and have heard mixed results for a while now.
It's disturbing. , that being said, sometimes when people monkey with stuff before bringing it to a shop (not say you F-ed it up) it can be a challenge to un-fock-it.
Can you explain exactly what it does/doesn't do?
GT
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I don't see how a port mismatch on the carburetor flange (unless we're talking 4500 to 4150) causing a running problem or intermittent die.
What did you say Greg's guys found?
I've known Shoe for a long time, and have heard mixed results for a while now.
It's disturbing. , that being said, sometimes when people monkey with stuff before bringing it to a shop (not say you F-ed it up) it can be a challenge to un-fock-it.
Can you explain exactly what it does/doesn't do?
GT
Totally hear you on messin with it, my mechanic just pulled the carb off and saw the mismatched spacer but didn't pull the carb apart, but gs knew that, I told em.. The silver plate in pic with screws in it is for quick change jets for higher altitude and gs said that they found a o ring from those plates that came off and was in the bowl I think? But the o ring was blocking the fuel, so he said if they gave me more problems they're pulling em off and putting back to stock but I really don't think that's the prob, so I bought boat, it sat 2 years before I bought it so took to gs, they went thru it, tune up, oil, plugs wires etc, everything to make it water ready and went thru it completely.. Went to puddingstone 2 weeks ago for 2 hours with old owner ran perfect, 4 days later go to Parker it dies 5 min after launch n never got running then gs finds o ring so take it to perris today, ran for 30 min but was slow and lagged, floored it and barely was doing 40, at puddingstone I was doing 55 no prob super quick, and after 30 min today I shut off to jump in water n check everything too n it wouldn't turn over n still won't it just cranks...
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There's another silver plate in back of air cleaner... I'm gonna call gs Monday morning n I truly hope he fixes this problem for free, it irritates me, I've spent $12-1300 there in 3 weeks on just getting my boat tuned up n water ready and a new place diverter cause old one was leaking, which I had to remind them to charge me for lol but anyway I have no prob paying for good work but at this point, this will be the 3rd time in for same thing and I'm kinda starting to think I should get someone else... I guess it depends on what gs says Monday morning cause I'm not paying them a dime for this at this point, am I wrong for feeling this way?? Please correct me if so guys, I have a lot of respect for this forum I'm new to it but I love it I've learned a ton already... Thanks in advance... 🙏🙏 if need more pics or video of it trying to start gt lmk
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Please describe what it does when it dies. Does it just sputter and die? Does it die instantly like it just turned off? Or do you shut it off and it just cranks and doesn't start again?
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That "aluminum plate" is a metering block.
I really don't care for those too terribly much, but I have used them with success. If it ran before (but the Percy Plate), I would say it could be two things. You say it ran for thirty minutes, did it run good? or ran limited and was a turn from the start?
It sounds like there is a systemic issue with the fuel system. Does it lose fuel pressure at anytime? Do you smell fuel when it poops? you just cant get it to start?
Do you have a spare ignition coil? It almost sounds like the coil is taking a dookey. They will run until it overheats and shorts out, when they fail, they can do what you describe (run like absolute crappola).
Go to Greg, plead your case, but be cool, just explain the situation. It does not sound like he rebuilt the carburetor and also sounds to me like he was apprehensive about the repair. I personally would ask for an hour of troubleshooting so he gets an opportunity to save face and if he finds a failed coil, bad fuel pump, or something else, it will be on you, if you don't feel warm and fuzzy before the work is performed, take your boat and thank him for the hour. He may not go for it, but at least it will be a civil agreement.
When I had my shop, I would get boats that were hacked all to hell from other shops and shade tree mechanics and I can't tell you how difficult it is to catch "everything" on a once-over. I had a slight advantage because we had access to a water dyno, we could ring the hell out of them a few pulls to get an idea what it would do on the lake.
Unfortunately it meant pulling the engine and mounting it up, a three hour minimum charge. But it could save a lot of frustration. Add to that, my shop was less than ten minutes from a lake... 8)
Good luck...
GT
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Please describe what it does when it dies. Does it just sputter and die? Does it die instantly like it just turned off? Or do you shut it off and it just cranks and doesn't start again?
Exactly...
GT
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Please describe what it does when it dies. Does it just sputter and die? Does it die instantly like it just turned off? Or do you shut it off and it just cranks and doesn't start again?
Today I turned it off after 20 min and it wouldn't turn over again, and just now I tried and it still just cranks but won't turn over, I'll take a video in the morning of it trying to start... But when we were in Parker it just died out after 2-3 minutes after launch I got on the gas a little and it sputtered out... And the rest of wknd it would start when cold, but die out quick. Took to gs they found o ring in jet and I think they only ran it for a few min because it was completely dry, so they didn't hook up the hose... So today it started at home ran for a minute then started on trailer in perris before launch and then ran for 20 min, idled good but, was slow and lagged, like I said I floored it right before shut it off and I think we got to like 40 at close to 4000 rpm which is low for flooring it right?? I mean at puddingstone the speed limits 35 but I got to 50-55 few times real quick and had plenty more throttle left and old owner said right now it would easily do 60 n when jet n everything was new, 65-70 easy he said but like I said it did 50-55 no prob before but today was just lagging really bad and acting like it was starving for air... Maybe for gas but I felt like air
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In Parker, I replaced the fuel pump, the fuel water separator, and the gas tank switch, just was trying to go down line of fuel supply... But also, when I bought it, it had 1/2 tank or so in each and it was 2 years old, so I siphoned a total of 20 gallons out, that's bout all I could get, and put 91 in... I honestly forgot to put fuel treatment in before filling up but that was first thing I did in Parker obviously didn't do anything lol
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When I lift the hatch, I smell gas more than other jet boats I am around a lot with same set up
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Pull the plugs. I was thinking ignition too, but it might be flooding out.
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Great idea, yea I mean I'm frustrated but I have had classic cars and I know how it is so like u said its hard to catch everything but it's frustrating he didn't run it long after knowing it left me stranded in Parker n now again... You said it could b 2 things, but mentioned the ignition coil only, or were u saying either that or something in my fuel system gt jets? Thank u for ur time by the way
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Pull the plugs. I was thinking ignition too, but it might be flooding out.
Will check them in morning and let u know, thank u
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Great idea, yea I mean I'm frustrated but I have had classic cars and I know how it is so like u said its hard to catch everything but it's frustrating he didn't run it long after knowing it left me stranded in Parker n now again... You said it could b 2 things, but mentioned the ignition coil only, or were u saying either that or something in my fuel system gt jets? Thank u for ur time by the way
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A dying coil will act like it's flooding out, not enough spark to keep the fire lit. Will idle seemingly forever.
Pull a plug, check to see what that looks like, pull the dipstick and smell it for fuel (the oil that is).
If you had skunky fuel, there is a chance the anti-siphon valves are fouled with crap. They are typically 1/4"mpt barb fittings on the pick up tube of the fuel tanks. They can be pulled and cleaned, but would rather see you replace them, get the brass ones, not aluminum.
Also, did you try switching tanks? I always bring an outboard fuel tank with me for testing purposes in case I get my ass handed to me. Lol
GT
Did GS find the source of the o-ring/debris?
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A dying coil will act like it's flooding out, not enough spark to keep the fire lit. Will idle seemingly forever.
Pull a plug, check to see what that looks like, pull the dipstick and smell it for fuel (the oil that is).
If you had skunky fuel, there is a chance the anti-siphon valves are fouled with crap. They are typically 14"mpt barb fittings on the pick up tube of the fuel tanks. They can be pulled and cleaned, but would rather see you replace them, get the brass ones, not aluminum.
Also, did you try switching tanks? I always bring an outboard fuel tank with me for testing purposes in case I get my ass handed to me. Lol
GT
Did GS find the source of the o-ring/debris?
Ok I will check these things as well... How would I check the coil? Or is it just a replace it kind of thing? That's fine if it is... I don't have a problem putting money into it, I just need it to be turn key reliable like the old owner said it was before it sat 2 years, and it sucks he didn't drain the fuel and he said he started it every month or 2 to keep everything flowing...
Yes, not today but at Parker and while I was at puddingstone I switched tanks a few times, where would I find those anti siphon valves? Also, I replaced the fuel tank switch at Parker... Gs said the o ring was from the aluminum plates I believe? He said he didn't like them and if they still have me problems he'd take em off, but I asked him then, why didn't u just do that now?? And his reply was go test it...
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I thought that was kinda weird but now it just irritates me lol... So idk, I will offer the chance for him to troubleshoot it and actually run it for more than a minute but if I don't feel comfortable where do u guys recommend I go besides gs? Again, I'm going to give Greg the chance to make it right if the problem is even his fault, I honestly hope it's not and its something different cause I've already talked to him bout doing other stuff this offseason
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Ok I will check these things as well... How would I check the coil? Or is it just a replace it kind of thing? That's fine if it is... I don't have a problem putting money into it, I just need it to be turn key reliable like the old owner said it was before it sat 2 years, and it sucks he didn't drain the fuel and he said he started it every month or 2 to keep everything flowing...
Yes, not today but at Parker and while I was at puddingstone I switched tanks a few times, where would I find those anti siphon valves? Also, I replaced the fuel tank switch at Parker... Gs said the o ring was from the aluminum plates I believe? He said he didn't like them and if they still have me problems he'd take em off, but I asked him then, why didn't u just do that now?? And his reply was go test it...
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Doubt seriously he had the metering blocks in stock.
Sounded like he was cautiously optimistic about the fix.
The coil is easy enough to check, pull the coil wire and put the end from the distributor near a known good ground about 1/2" away and have someone crank it over with the key, it should throw a nasty ass barking spark. Plastic pliers come in very handy here.
If the spark is weak and yellow, or you need to put it within an 1/8" to even get it to spark, chances are, it's the ignition coil.
West Marine stocks the anti siphon valves.
GT
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Doubt seriously he had the metering blocks in stock.
Sounded like he was cautiously optimistic about the fix.
The coil is easy enough to check, pull the coil wire and put the end from the distributor near a known good ground about 1/2" away and have someone crank it over with the key, it should throw a nasty ass barking spark. Plastic pliers come in very handy here.
If the spark is weak and yellow, or you need to put it within an 1/8" to even get it to spark, chances are, it's the ignition coil.
West Marine stocks the anti siphon valves.
GT
Well it's sad that I pay gs to do a complete tune up, over $900 and they don't touch the wires!!! These wires are clearly still numbered like they come from the factory... And they're older than shit, I payed gs to do this 2 weeks ago... And the boots are super old and definitely not 2 weeks old, correct me if I'm wrong but new wires come with new boots right? And these wires are obviously not 2 weeks old... Sad... Should b an interesting call to gs in the morning... At this point I have a hard time trusting them correct me if I'm wrong gt jets
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Wow, to top it off, they don't even use Ac Delco plugs, this plug is 2 weeks old, made by ngk in Japan!!! I can't even get American made plugs from gs?? Wow... 👎👎👎👎
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Found my receipt, it says they only replaced plugs, ok but question is, the wires were obviously old and in need of replacing but they just overlook it, don't mention it, nothing. It's crazy... I mean am I trippin? Am I wrong for feeling this way guys?
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Mine was doin the same, distributor was my problem. Picked up a marine pretonix off Amazon one day shipping. Will be here today.
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Mine was doin the same, distributor was my problem. Picked up a marine pretonix off Amazon one day shipping. Will be here today.
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Nice, let me know how that works out if it fixes ur problem please... Good luck!!
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Wow, to top it off, they don't even use Ac Delco plugs, this plug is 2 weeks old, made by ngk in Japan!!! I can't even get American made plugs from gs?? Wow... 👎👎👎👎
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NGK actually makes a really good spark plug.
The alternative would be a marine specific plug from AC Delco (regular automotive AC plugs are just steel and prone to rust) or a Champion, which sort of suck, I used Nipon Denso or marine AC exclusively.
Those wires were probably solid wire and still usable, they don't "wear out" like a suppression wire will.
Not getting on the defensive, just telling you how it is.
The plugs should have had some silicone grease on the insulator to allow removal without destroying the boot. JMO.
On the bright side, they weren't Chinese plugs.
GT
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NGK actually makes a really good spark plug.
The alternative would be a marine specific plug from AC Delco (regular automotive AC plugs are just steel and prone to rust) or a Champion, which sort of suck, I used Nipon Denso or marine AC exclusively.
Those wires were probably solid wire and still usable, they don't "wear out" like a suppression wire will.
Not getting on the defensive, just telling you how it is.
The plugs should have had some silicone grease on the insulator to allow removal without destroying the boot. JMO.
On the bright side, they weren't Chinese plugs.
GT
Ok lol idk I'm just used to seeing only Ac Delco plugs, I know they have a marine one, true at least not Chinese lol so the plugs are obviously bad, so if I just replace those and the wires wouldn't it not be fixing the problem? I feel like they would just do it again... I'm still going to call gs in the morning and hope for the best I guess...
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Ok lol idk I'm just used to seeing only Ac Delco plugs, I know they have a marine one, true at least not Chinese lol so the plugs are obviously bad, so if I just replace those and the wires wouldn't it not be fixing the problem? I feel like they would just do it again... I'm still going to call gs in the morning and hope for the best I guess...
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One, what makes you think the plugs are bad?
Two, what makes you think that will fox anything?
GT
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One, what makes you think the plugs are bad?
Two, what makes you think that will fox anything?
GT
The plugs are black at the point but I don't think that's gonna fix it, I mean there's obviously a reason they look like that in 2 weeks right?
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The plugs are black at the point but I don't think that's gonna fix it, I mean there's obviously a reason they look like that in 2 weeks right?
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Check the gap and screw them back in.
Black is a running condition, not necessarily an indication of a problem with the plug itself.
You have a carburetion issue or a failing coil.
Do you have a close up of the plug? How many did you pull?
GT
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First off, you have no reason to get upset with GS. They are not the physic hotline. If your boat wouldn't start at all when you took it to them, that's easy to figure out. But an intermittent issue can take a few tries to find when it doesn't show up in the shop.
Sense you are apparently a "take it to a shop" kind of guy vs a "fix it yourself" type of guy. You need to be careful how you explain things to the shop. Example = don't tell them " I turned it off after 20 min and it wouldn't turn over again ". That sais the battery is dead or starter is bad, not turning over. But, by your next statement that's not the issue, "and just now I tried and it still just cranks but won't turn over". So, the engine is turning over and not starting, right ? Or is the starter cranking but the engine is not turning over ?
And you say "I'm gonna call gs Monday morning n I truly hope he fixes this problem for free". Really ? Did Greg sell you the boat and guarantee it was 100% trouble free ? No, you took a boat that had been sitting around for 2 years to him with no real history or a good description of its ACTUAL issues to him (previous owner said it ran perfect, yea right ::)). You got a service and a few repairs (that you paid for) but now you think anything new that's wrong with your boat is his problem and he should fix it for free ? :screwy:
You paid for..
spark plugs
oil and filter
water/fuel separator
service the jet
grease trailer bearings
rebuild carb
and replace hydraulic ram
Did you get those things ? Did GS cheat you in some way ? Did something GS replaced/repaired fail ? As I see it on the previous page, the boat ran fine during a 2 hour trip after GS did this service. But now you expect him to solve your boats new issue FOR FREE ? REALLY ? Maybe after Greg shows you the door when you tell him to fix it for free, you should call the previous owner and tell him to fix it for free, or maybe the boats manufacturer too. :screwy:
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First off, you have no reason to get upset with GS. They are not the physic hotline. If your boat wouldn't start at all when you took it to them, that's easy to figure out. But an intermittent issue can take a few tries to find when it doesn't show up in the shop.
Sense you are apparently a "take it to a shop" kind of guy vs a "fix it yourself" type of guy. You need to be careful how you explain things to the shop. Example = don't tell them " I turned it off after 20 min and it wouldn't turn over again ". That sais the battery is dead or starter is bad, not turning over. But, by your next statement that's not the issue, "and just now I tried and it still just cranks but won't turn over". So, the engine is turning over and not starting, right ? Or is the starter cranking but the engine is not turning over ?
And you say "I'm gonna call gs Monday morning n I truly hope he fixes this problem for free". Really ? Did Greg sell you the boat and guarantee it was 100% trouble free ? No, you took a boat that had been sitting around for 2 years to him with no real history or a good description of its ACTUAL issues to him (previous owner said it ran perfect, yea right ::)). You got a service and a few repairs (that you paid for) but now you think anything new that's wrong with your boat is his problem and he should fix it for free ? :screwy:
You paid for..
spark plugs
oil and filter
water/fuel separator
service the jet
grease trailer bearings
rebuild carb
and replace hydraulic ram
Did you get those things ? Did GS cheat you in some way ? Did something GS replaced/repaired fail ? As I see it on the previous page, the boat ran fine during a 2 hour trip after GS did this service. But now you expect him to solve your boats new issue FOR FREE ? REALLY ? Maybe after Greg shows you the door when you tell him to fix it for free, you should call the previous owner and tell him to fix it for free, or maybe the boats manufacturer too. :screwy:
Damn. I was trying to nudge in that direction, apparently you're more of a sprint car starter (push it with the bumper until it fires) kind of dude.
I love it ...lol.
GT
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Damn. I was trying to nudge in that direction, apparently you're more of a sprint car starter (push it with the bumper until it fires) kind of dude.
I love it ...lol.
GT
Well Glenn, sometimes these days, as you've gotten older, you've become a bit "soft" and politically correct. Makes me think I'm going to see your name on an election ballot some day. GT for president ? :sly: Too many people don't notice a "nudge", they need a good old fashioned smack to the head at times.
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Haha hey man I totally get where ur coming from I'm not the type of guy to want anything for free and I didn't mean I want them to fix anything for free, actually I talked to Greg today and I'm going tomorrow and we're gonna work it out... I'm actually a fix it guy with my c10 and things but my boat id rather have an expert handle it but tbh after getting a few pm telling me horror stories bout gs I kinda overreacted but I checked myself I got the hint from gt jets and like I said talked to Greg this morning going tmrw and I'm sure we'll figure it out, my fault, like I said got a few pms and after having 2 trips turn out n getting towed back after being told it's fixed twice, and hearing stories I read on my pms, I did get kinda heated but then I calmed down.. Honestly thank u for telling me no holds barred even though I'd already realized my fault I do appreciate that man trust me that's why I said in my post correct me if I'm wrong, sometimes I let my emotions get best of me... Trust me I have no problem paying for work to be done, I never want anything for free, just to b treated fair.. Like any of us, thanks again. Hopefully tmrw we figure it out and I'll let u guys know..
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Well Glenn, sometimes these days, as you've gotten older, you've become a bit "soft" and politically correct. Makes me think I'm going to see your name on an election ballot some day. GT for president ? :sly: Too many people don't notice a "nudge", they need a good old fashioned smack to the head at times.
I will tell you this.
I have to try very very hard to not go into throat punch mode at times.
Lol.
GT
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Haha hey man I totally get where ur coming from I'm not the type of guy to want anything for free and I didn't mean I want them to fix anything for free, actually I talked to Greg today and I'm going tomorrow and we're gonna work it out... I'm actually a fix it guy with my c10 and things but my boat id rather have an expert handle it but tbh after getting a few pm telling me horror stories bout gs I kinda overreacted but I checked myself I got the hint from gt jets and like I said talked to Greg this morning going tmrw and I'm sure we'll figure it out, my fault, like I said got a few pms and after having 2 trips turn out n getting towed back after being told it's fixed twice, and hearing stories I read on my pms, I did get kinda heated but then I calmed down.. Honestly thank u for telling me no holds barred even though I'd already realized my fault I do appreciate that man trust me that's why I said in my post correct me if I'm wrong, sometimes I let my emotions get best of me... Trust me I have no problem paying for work to be done, I never want anything for free, just to b treated fair.. Like any of us, thanks again. Hopefully tmrw we figure it out and I'll let u guys know..
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Very glad to hear this. We can all get a little "heated" when we get towed in. And, no matter what shop you ask about you will find people that love them and people that hate them. But keep one thing is mind, its always the bad deal/I got robbed guy that makes the most noise, the thousands of happy customers tend to just be happily quiet and out using their boats. A happy customer tells a few of his friends, an unhappy customer tells EVERYBODY. But you don't get to hear both sides of the bad deal story.
Greg will do all he can do to take care of your boats issue. But like I said, with an intermittent problem, it can be hard to find if the boat works when its in the shop. Hopefully the boat will show its bad side when its in the shop, then it will be easy for them to track it down. If its loosing spark like GT is thinking, it could actually be anything from a failing ignition switch to a bad/corroded wire connection, a failing coil, failing module (HEI), etc, etc. Really hard to figure out with 100% certainty unless it shows its bad side while your able to check things. When it wont start, does it have power to the coil ? If not, does it have power at the key going out to the ignition ? If it does have power at the coil, does it have spark at the plug ?
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Very glad to hear this. We can all get a little "heated" when we get towed in. And, no matter what shop you ask about you will find people that love them and people that hate them. But keep one thing is mind, its always the bad deal/I got robbed guy that makes the most noise, the thousands of happy customers tend to just be happily quiet and out using their boats. A happy customer tells a few of his friends, an unhappy customer tells EVERYBODY. But you don't get to hear both sides of the bad deal story.
Greg will do all he can do to take care of your boats issue. But like I said, with an intermittent problem, it can be hard to find if the boat works when its in the shop. Hopefully the boat will show its bad side when its in the shop, then it will be easy for them to track it down. If its loosing spark like GT is thinking, it could actually be anything from a failing ignition switch to a bad/corroded wire connection, a failing coil, failing module (HEI), etc, etc. Really hard to figure out with 100% certainty unless it shows its bad side while your able to check things. When it wont start, does it have power to the coil ? If not, does it have power at the key going out to the ignition ? If it does have power at the coil, does it have spark at the plug ?
Yea I came off like a douche bag lol thanks for putting me n my place man, so went to gs today and after running and some testing, we found that the capacitor(I think that's right) for the ignition is supposed to be 12volts going in and like 8-9 coming out and it's 7 going in and 3 coming out, so he's looking at the wiring, he said it looks like it's wired wrong, it's a Mallory ignition and he said after he checks the wiring diagram and fixed that problem, we will know if the coil or ignition itself is bad, oh and also the spark plug wires are copper coated with the electric ignition no good, he did say they should've noticed that and changed em so they are, no stress I'm just glad we're getting somewhere... I'll keep u guys posted, thanks again! If anything else comes up in ur guys head, lmk
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Yea I came off like a douche bag lol thanks for putting me n my place man, so went to gs today and after running and some testing, we found that the capacitor(I think that's right) for the ignition is supposed to be 12volts going in and like 8-9 coming out and it's 7 going in and 3 coming out
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I'm thinking ballast resistor.
GT
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I'm thinking ballast resistor.
GT
Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story. ;)
90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.
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Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story. ;)
90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.
Yes ballast resistor is what I'm talking bout, yea they're going to hunt down the problem, in the pic u kinda see there's 2 but only one is wired but there is only a ground on the one that's not wired completely, it's strange so he's gonna go thru it n hopefully it'll solve it, it seems weird to me that all these wires and connections on back of the motor wouldn't have like a shield or something to help keep condensation or water splashes off... I mean I know it doesn't get direct wet but even the little bit I've had it on the water, it does get damp back there... Is there any kind of shields or covers or am I crazy? Lol...
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Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story. ;)
90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.
Yeah, I wasn't saying the issue was the resistor, just terminology correction.
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Nice, let me know how that works out if it fixes ur problem please... Good luck!!
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It worked, I also bought the MSD blaster 2 coil. Set my gap on my plugs to .38. But runs perfect, holds RPM and doesn't shut off and jump around. And it got here from Amazon on Sunday. Took less then a day to get.
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I was gunna ask like GT if you've switched tanks. My boat had all the same issues when I'd run off both tanks at the same time.
It would run for 2 minutes then start telling me to take my foot out of it. Then just dead.
After finding out my driver side tank had debris, I closed the valve mounted at my transom and ran exclusively on my passenger tank. Boat ran from water wheel to the Parker dam no issues💪🏼. I don't mean to add to the mess with more theories but are you sure your tanks switch if you've got the whole electrical setup?
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Goin_up_river771 how's my old rogers?
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It worked, I also bought the MSD blaster 2 coil. Set my gap on my plugs to .38. But runs perfect, holds RPM and doesn't shut off and jump around. And it got here from Amazon on Sunday. Took less then a day to get.
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That's awesome it worked for u man, that'll definitely b the next thing I check. Gonna call gs in morning n see if he was able to figure out my voltage issue... will keep u guys updated, and on the other comment, yea I switched out the tank switch, and plugged up one tank at a time to see if that would help and nothing...
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Goin_up_river771 how's my old rogers?
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She runs great no problems this season pulling motor today to start blower build
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Nice, can't wait to see it done.
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Well got the boat back and took her to perris today and it ran great, night and day... super happy, thank u gt and everyone else for the help!! The problem was a bad wire from the ignition and also gs said the ignition was not wired right so seems to b all good now... headed to Parker for the wknd!!! But I did hear what I thought was the bearing at idle while I was waiting for the trailer to back down but gs said it should make a noise at idle but long as doesn't get louder with rpms should b fine so I'll b listening for that..
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Well got the boat back and took her to perris today and it ran great, night and day... super happy, thank u gt and everyone else for the help!! The problem was a bad wire from the ignition and also gs said the ignition was not wired right so seems to b all good now... headed to Parker for the wknd!!! But I did hear what I thought was the bearing at idle while I was waiting for the trailer to back down but gs said it should make a noise at idle but long as doesn't get louder with rpms should b fine so I'll b listening for that..
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Glad everything worked out for ya. Im in parker till sunday look for a white carrera open bow with yellow and blue strips. We're staying at emerald cove.
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Glad everything worked out for ya. Im in parker till sunday look for a white carrera open bow with yellow and blue strips. We're staying at emerald cove.
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Nice yea will do, we'll be staying at echo, with my boat, and a blue closed bow hallett and a yellow blue n purple closed bow too ✌️️
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