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« **Reply #25 on:** September 25, 2016, 01:23:48 PM »

Mine was doin the same, distributor was my problem. Picked up a marine pretonix off Amazon one day shipping. Will be here today.

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« **Reply #26 on:** September 25, 2016, 01:28:45 PM »

Quote from: jrankin on September 25, 2016, 01:23:48 PM

Mine was doin the same, distributor was my problem. Picked up a marine pretonix off Amazon one day shipping. Will be here today.

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Nice, let me know how that works out if it fixes ur problem please... Good luck!!

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« **Reply #27 on:** September 25, 2016, 01:28:47 PM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 25, 2016, 12:45:33 PM

Wow, to top it off, they don't even use Ac Delco plugs, this plug is 2 weeks old, made by ngk in Japan!!! I can't even get American made plugs from gs?? Wow... 👎👎👎👎

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NGK actually makes a really good spark plug.

The alternative would be a marine specific plug from AC Delco (regular automotive AC plugs are just steel and prone to rust) or a Champion, which sort of suck, I used Nipon Denso or marine AC exclusively.

Those wires were probably solid wire and still usable, they don't "wear out" like a suppression wire will.

Not getting on the defensive, just telling you how it is.

The plugs should have had some silicone grease on the insulator to allow removal without destroying the boot. JMO.

On the bright side, they weren't Chinese plugs.

GT

« **Reply #28 on:** September 25, 2016, 01:33:29 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on September 25, 2016, 01:28:47 PM

NGK actually makes a really good spark plug.

The alternative would be a marine specific plug from AC Delco (regular automotive AC plugs are just steel and prone to rust) or a Champion, which sort of suck, I used Nipon Denso or marine AC exclusively.

Those wires were probably solid wire and still usable, they don't "wear out" like a suppression wire will.

Not getting on the defensive, just telling you how it is.

The plugs should have had some silicone grease on the insulator to allow removal without destroying the boot. JMO.

On the bright side, they weren't Chinese plugs.

GT

Ok lol idk I'm just used to seeing only Ac Delco plugs, I know they have a marine one, true at least not Chinese lol so the plugs are obviously bad, so if I just replace those and the wires wouldn't it not be fixing the problem? I feel like they would just do it again... I'm still going to call gs in the morning and hope for the best I guess...

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« **Reply #29 on:** September 25, 2016, 04:31:19 PM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 25, 2016, 01:33:29 PM

Ok lol idk I'm just used to seeing only Ac Delco plugs, I know they have a marine one, true at least not Chinese lol so the plugs are obviously bad, so if I just replace those and the wires wouldn't it not be fixing the problem? I feel like they would just do it again... I'm still going to call gs in the morning and hope for the best I guess...

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One, what makes you think the plugs are bad?

Two, what makes you think that will fox anything?

GT

« **Reply #30 on:** September 26, 2016, 07:37:55 AM »

Quote from: GT Jets on September 25, 2016, 04:31:19 PM

One, what makes you think the plugs are bad?

Two, what makes you think that will fox anything?

GT

The plugs are black at the point but I don't think that's gonna fix it, I mean there's obviously a reason they look like that in 2 weeks right?

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« **Reply #31 on:** September 26, 2016, 08:30:11 AM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 26, 2016, 07:37:55 AM

The plugs are black at the point but I don't think that's gonna fix it, I mean there's obviously a reason they look like that in 2 weeks right?

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Check the gap and screw them back in.

Black is a running condition, not necessarily an indication of a problem with the plug itself.

You have a carburetion issue or a failing coil.

Do you have a close up of the plug? How many did you pull?

GT

« **Reply #32 on:** September 26, 2016, 02:03:42 PM »

First off, you have no reason to get upset with GS. They are not the physic hotline. If your boat wouldn't start at all when you took it to them, that's easy to figure out. But an intermittent issue can take a few tries to find when it doesn't show up in the shop.

Sense you are apparently a "take it to a shop" kind of guy vs a "fix it yourself" type of guy. You need to be careful how you explain things to the shop. Example = don't tell them " I turned it off after 20 min and it wouldn't turn over again ". That sais the battery is dead or starter is bad, not turning over. But, by your next statement that's not the issue, "and just now I tried and it still just cranks but won't turn over". So, the engine is turning over and not starting, right ? Or is the starter cranking but the engine is not turning over ?

And you say "I'm gonna call gs Monday morning n I truly hope he fixes this problem for free". Really ? Did Greg sell you the boat and guarantee it was 100% trouble free ? No, you took a boat that had been sitting around for 2 years to him with no real history or a good description of its ACTUAL issues to him (previous owner said it ran perfect, yea right

). You got a service and a few repairs (that you paid for) but now you think anything new that's wrong with your boat is his problem and he should fix it for free ?

You paid for..
spark plugs
oil and filter
water/fuel separator
service the jet
grease trailer bearings
rebuild carb
and replace hydraulic ram

Did you get those things ? Did GS cheat you in some way ? Did something GS replaced/repaired fail ? As I see it on the previous page, the boat ran fine during a 2 hour trip after GS did this service. But now you expect him to solve your boats new issue FOR FREE ? REALLY ? Maybe after Greg shows you the door when you tell him to fix it for free, you should call the previous owner and tell him to fix it for free, or maybe the boats manufacturer too.

« **Reply #33 on:** September 26, 2016, 02:26:49 PM »

Quote from: propless on September 26, 2016, 02:03:42 PM

First off, you have no reason to get upset with GS. They are not the physic hotline. If your boat wouldn't start at all when you took it to them, that's easy to figure out. But an intermittent issue can take a few tries to find when it doesn't show up in the shop.

Sense you are apparently a "take it to a shop" kind of guy vs a "fix it yourself" type of guy. You need to be careful how you explain things to the shop. Example = don't tell them " I turned it off after 20 min and it wouldn't turn over again ". That sais the battery is dead or starter is bad, not turning over. But, by your next statement that's not the issue, "and just now I tried and it still just cranks but won't turn over". So, the engine is turning over and not starting, right ? Or is the starter cranking but the engine is not turning over ?

And you say "I'm gonna call gs Monday morning n I truly hope he fixes this problem for free". Really ? Did Greg sell you the boat and guarantee it was 100% trouble free ? No, you took a boat that had been sitting around for 2 years to him with no real history or a good description of its ACTUAL issues to him (previous owner said it ran perfect, yea right ). You got a service and a few repairs (that you paid for) but now you think anything new that's wrong with your boat is his problem and he should fix it for free ?

You paid for..
spark plugs
oil and filter
water/fuel separator
service the jet
grease trailer bearings
rebuild carb
and replace hydraulic ram

Did you get those things ? Did GS cheat you in some way ? Did something GS replaced/repaired fail ? As I see it on the previous page, the boat ran fine during a 2 hour trip after GS did this service. But now you expect him to solve your boats new issue FOR FREE ? REALLY ? Maybe after Greg shows you the door when you tell him to fix it for free, you should call the previous owner and tell him to fix it for free, or maybe the boats manufacturer too.

Damn. I was trying to nudge in that direction, apparently you're more of a sprint car starter (push it with the bumper until it fires) kind of dude.

I love it ...lol.

GT

« **Reply #34 on:** September 26, 2016, 04:32:13 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on September 26, 2016, 02:26:49 PM

Damn. I was trying to nudge in that direction, apparently you're more of a sprint car starter (push it with the bumper until it fires) kind of dude.

I love it ...lol.

GT

Well Glenn, sometimes these days, as you've gotten older, you've become a bit "soft" and politically correct. Makes me think I'm going to see your name on an election ballot some day. GT for president ?

Too many people don't notice a "nudge", they need a good old fashioned smack to the head at times.

« **Reply #35 on:** September 26, 2016, 05:48:22 PM »

Haha hey man I totally get where ur coming from I'm not the type of guy to want anything for free and I didn't mean I want them to fix anything for free, actually I talked to Greg today and I'm going tomorrow and we're gonna work it out... I'm actually a fix it guy with my c10 and things but my boat id rather have an expert handle it but tbh after getting a few pm telling me horror stories bout gs I kinda overreacted but I checked myself I got the hint from gt jets and like I said talked to Greg this morning going tmrw and I'm sure we'll figure it out, my fault, like I said got a few pms and after having 2 trips turn out n getting towed back after being told it's fixed twice, and hearing stories I read on my pms, I did get kinda heated but then I calmed down.. Honestly thank u for telling me no holds barred even though I'd already realized my fault I do appreciate that man trust me that's why I said in my post correct me if I'm wrong, sometimes I let my emotions get best of me... Trust me I have no problem paying for work to be done, I never want anything for free, just to b treated fair.. Like any of us, thanks again. Hopefully tmrw we figure it out and I'll let u guys know..

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« **Reply #36 on:** September 26, 2016, 05:56:04 PM »

Quote from: propless on September 26, 2016, 04:32:13 PM

Well Glenn, sometimes these days, as you've gotten older, you've become a bit "soft" and politically correct. Makes me think I'm going to see your name on an election ballot some day. GT for president ? Too many people don't notice a "nudge", they need a good old fashioned smack to the head at times.

I will tell you this.

I have to try very very hard to not go into throat punch mode at times.

Lol.

GT

« **Reply #37 on:** September 27, 2016, 01:19:06 PM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 26, 2016, 05:48:22 PM

Haha hey man I totally get where ur coming from I'm not the type of guy to want anything for free and I didn't mean I want them to fix anything for free, actually I talked to Greg today and I'm going tomorrow and we're gonna work it out... I'm actually a fix it guy with my c10 and things but my boat id rather have an expert handle it but tbh after getting a few pm telling me horror stories bout gs I kinda overreacted but I checked myself I got the hint from gt jets and like I said talked to Greg this morning going tmrw and I'm sure we'll figure it out, my fault, like I said got a few pms and after having 2 trips turn out n getting towed back after being told it's fixed twice, and hearing stories I read on my pms, I did get kinda heated but then I calmed down.. Honestly thank u for telling me no holds barred even though I'd already realized my fault I do appreciate that man trust me that's why I said in my post correct me if I'm wrong, sometimes I let my emotions get best of me... Trust me I have no problem paying for work to be done, I never want anything for free, just to b treated fair.. Like any of us, thanks again. Hopefully tmrw we figure it out and I'll let u guys know..

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Very glad to hear this. We can all get a little "heated" when we get towed in. And, no matter what shop you ask about you will find people that love them and people that hate them. But keep one thing is mind, its always the bad deal/I got robbed guy that makes the most noise, the thousands of happy customers tend to just be happily quiet and out using their boats. A happy customer tells a few of his friends, an unhappy customer tells EVERYBODY. But you don't get to hear both sides of the bad deal story.

Greg will do all he can do to take care of your boats issue. But like I said, with an intermittent problem, it can be hard to find if the boat works when its in the shop. Hopefully the boat will show its bad side when its in the shop, then it will be easy for them to track it down. If its loosing spark like GT is thinking, it could actually be anything from a failing ignition switch to a bad/corroded wire connection, a failing coil, failing module (HEI), etc, etc. Really hard to figure out with 100% certainty unless it shows its bad side while your able to check things. When it wont start, does it have power to the coil ? If not, does it have power at the key going out to the ignition ? If it does have power at the coil, does it have spark at the plug ?

« **Reply #38 on:** September 27, 2016, 02:55:55 PM »

Quote from: propless on September 27, 2016, 01:19:06 PM

Very glad to hear this. We can all get a little "heated" when we get towed in. And, no matter what shop you ask about you will find people that love them and people that hate them. But keep one thing is mind, its always the bad deal/I got robbed guy that makes the most noise, the thousands of happy customers tend to just be happily quiet and out using their boats. A happy customer tells a few of his friends, an unhappy customer tells EVERYBODY. But you don't get to hear both sides of the bad deal story.

Greg will do all he can do to take care of your boats issue. But like I said, with an intermittent problem, it can be hard to find if the boat works when its in the shop. Hopefully the boat will show its bad side when its in the shop, then it will be easy for them to track it down. If its loosing spark like GT is thinking, it could actually be anything from a failing ignition switch to a bad/corroded wire connection, a failing coil, failing module (HEI), etc, etc. Really hard to figure out with 100% certainty unless it shows its bad side while your able to check things. When it wont start, does it have power to the coil ? If not, does it have power at the key going out to the ignition ? If it does have power at the coil, does it have spark at the plug ?

Yea I came off like a douche bag lol thanks for putting me n my place man, so went to gs today and after running and some testing, we found that the capacitor(I think that's right) for the ignition is supposed to be 12volts going in and like 8-9 coming out and it's 7 going in and 3 coming out, so he's looking at the wiring, he said it looks like it's wired wrong, it's a Mallory ignition and he said after he checks the wiring diagram and fixed that problem, we will know if the coil or ignition itself is bad, oh and also the spark plug wires are copper coated with the electric ignition no good, he did say they should've noticed that and changed em so they are, no stress I'm just glad we're getting somewhere... I'll keep u guys posted, thanks again! If anything else comes up in ur guys head, lmk

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« **Reply #39 on:** September 27, 2016, 03:27:58 PM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 27, 2016, 02:55:55 PM

Yea I came off like a douche bag lol thanks for putting me n my place man, so went to gs today and after running and some testing, we found that the capacitor(I think that's right) for the ignition is supposed to be 12volts going in and like 8-9 coming out and it's 7 going in and 3 coming out

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I'm thinking ballast resistor.

GT

« **Reply #40 on:** September 27, 2016, 05:11:17 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on September 27, 2016, 03:27:58 PM

I'm thinking ballast resistor.

GT

Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story.

90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.

« **Reply #41 on:** September 27, 2016, 05:52:06 PM »

Quote from: propless on September 27, 2016, 05:11:17 PM

Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story.

90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.

Yes ballast resistor is what I'm talking bout, yea they're going to hunt down the problem, in the pic u kinda see there's 2 but only one is wired but there is only a ground on the one that's not wired completely, it's strange so he's gonna go thru it n hopefully it'll solve it, it seems weird to me that all these wires and connections on back of the motor wouldn't have like a shield or something to help keep condensation or water splashes off... I mean I know it doesn't get direct wet but even the little bit I've had it on the water, it does get damp back there... Is there any kind of shields or covers or am I crazy? Lol...

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« **Reply #42 on:** September 27, 2016, 06:09:23 PM »

Quote from: propless on September 27, 2016, 05:11:17 PM

Does sound like he's describing a ballast resistor. But those voltage numbers show the issue is before the resistor, its not getting full power. My bet is bad wiring, bad connection, or bad ignition switch. A little time with a meter will tell the story.

90ultra21lx, glad to hear the issue has showed up for them.

Yeah, I wasn't saying the issue was the resistor, just terminology correction.

« **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2016, 01:33:25 PM »

Quote from: 90ultra21lx on September 25, 2016, 01:28:45 PM

Nice, let me know how that works out if it fixes ur problem please... Good luck!!

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It worked, I also bought the MSD blaster 2 coil. Set my gap on my plugs to .38. But runs perfect, holds RPM and doesn't shut off and jump around. And it got here from Amazon on Sunday. Took less then a day to get.

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« **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2016, 05:29:18 PM »

I was gunna ask like GT if you've switched tanks. My boat had all the same issues when I'd run off both tanks at the same time.

It would run for 2 minutes then start telling me to take my foot out of it. Then just dead.

After finding out my driver side tank had debris, I closed the valve mounted at my transom and ran exclusively on my passenger tank. Boat ran from water wheel to the Parker dam no issues💪🏼. I don't mean to add to the mess with more theories but are you sure your tanks switch if you've got the whole electrical setup?

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« **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2016, 06:19:59 PM »

Goin_up_river771 how's my old rogers?

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« **Reply #46 on:** September 29, 2016, 07:40:33 PM »

Quote from: jrankin on September 29, 2016, 01:33:25 PM

It worked, I also bought the MSD blaster 2 coil. Set my gap on my plugs to .38. But runs perfect, holds RPM and doesn't shut off and jump around. And it got here from Amazon on Sunday. Took less then a day to get.

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That's awesome it worked for u man, that'll definitely b the next thing I check. Gonna call gs in morning n see if he was able to figure out my voltage issue... will keep u guys updated, and on the other comment, yea I switched out the tank switch, and plugged up one tank at a time to see if that would help and nothing...

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« **Reply #47 on:** September 30, 2016, 10:34:17 AM »

Quote from: lets dance on September 29, 2016, 06:19:59 PM

Goin_up_river771 how's my old rogers?

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She runs great no problems this season pulling motor today to start blower build

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« **Reply #48 on:** October 01, 2016, 11:59:52 AM »

Nice, can't wait to see it done.

« **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2016, 03:25:30 PM »

Well got the boat back and took her to perris today and it ran great, night and day... super happy, thank u gt and everyone else for the help!! The problem was a bad wire from the ignition and also gs said the ignition was not wired right so seems to b all good now... headed to Parker for the wknd!!! But I did hear what I thought was the bearing at idle while I was waiting for the trailer to back down but gs said it should make a noise at idle but long as doesn't get louder with rpms should b fine so I'll b listening for that..

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