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460 heating up
« on: August 10, 2020, 09:30:03 AM »
So ran boat for basically first time this weekend felt great to finally get on the water after 4 year rebuild. Ran up river and watched temp slowly climb and didn't drop stopped boat before got to hot I hope 200-220 depending on if gauge is correct and float back to ramp. Its a basically stock 460/Berkley set up with a hi rise single carb intake a Glenwood logs. Rookie mistake but oil looked fine and boat still runs...

Got Home last night did my research and just had a few more questions. With the Glenwood logs there is a port at rear of log before the Snail and one in the front of log. I'm assuming for preheating the flow through logs doesn't matter? I also currently just have the CP pressure relief valve coming off the pump, and I read to possibly ditch that or put a gate valve directly after it to set pressure and any excess pressure will be thrown out of relief line.

Currently I'm going through 1. pump to relief valve 2.relife valve to T that goes to front of log 3.front to rear of log 4. rear of log to water pump cover for preheat 5. T stat back to snails and out of exhaust
Only thing I think I can change there is go from rear of log to front instead for preheat as well as add gate valve from what I've read.
Also everything is Hard lined aluminum and -8 AN so all half inch which I hope isn't to small for correct cooling. I read to and really don't want to add a TStat due to sand and stuff from river so maybe just a restrictor plate?

 I compared to buddies BBC set up with thru hull Bassett's and he runs CP relief valve off pump and only difference is the Bassett T valve that gets his restriction I assume and he obviously doesn't have the preheat thru the logs but straight river water from pump and relief valve to water pump cover and boat runs constant 160 and may go to 180 at WOT. And form 1500 RPM to WOT the relief port is constantly throwing out water.

Sorry for long story but I'm looking for any insight on plumbing guidance for the Glenwood logs and hopefully its as easy as adding a Gate valve because I'm ready to run some fuel through this thing the rest of summer Thanks in advance!
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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2020, 09:31:34 AM »
If I can find some pics of build for motor with plumbing ill post but its at river and unfortunately I'm at work..
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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2020, 09:34:51 AM »
Best I've got for now and some of float finally on water!!
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427 wilder

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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2020, 12:24:16 PM »
We are out of California. Since the water is not Tahoe temps, we run it through the motor first. We had run it through the exhaust first but in the summer she got warm. 

The exhaust logs can build up corrosion which will restrict the water flow.

Did you check if your relief is bypassing under way? If so, you have less water for cooling. If the logs are plugged it will bypass.

Check the water passage / feed from the pump at the bowl. Sometimes when the boat sits it will build up junk and close down the water passage.

Since it’s a new engine and a Ford. Did the head gaskets get installed in the correct placement?

Hope it helps.


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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2020, 01:26:15 PM »
Ill have to pull the logs off next time out to check and see if they are free flowing and no corrosion restriction, need to re do the exhaust gaskets anyways. As far as the head gasket I'm not sure.  When I've ran off hose its flowing pretty well and even out of the exhaust and hasn't seemed to get hot but I'm sure putting under a heavier load especially going against river current is a different story. Thanks for the feed back ill look into it.
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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2020, 01:51:37 PM »
When I had the water lines run through the exhaust first it did the same. If I remember it went up to 200 then shut it off. We changed out the feed lines to feed the motor first, got rid of the bypass and that worked for us.

May not be your issue but that worked for us.


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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2020, 04:30:52 PM »
what kind of logs did or do you run on your set up? Were both of the water ports located on the front of log or like the Glenwood set up with the port in the front and one in back?
When you bypassed the pre heat did you go pump to water pump cover then from Tstat to logs then to the snails?
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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2020, 06:32:34 PM »
Glad you got it back on the water.
I have OT headers so I don’t know much about logs and snails. But, it with the “slow” temp climb, it seems you’re not getting enough water through it (obvious right ).
If it’s not a blockage, and not pre-heating the water, I would probably start with the pressure relief. maybe it’s letting out to much water? Maybe raise the pressure it opens at. Or you might not need it at all. A lot of boats run without them.
If that doesn’t help, maybe look into bigger inlet lines. There has been a few threads about plumbing and I think most responses were at least a -10 supply line.

Just make one change at a time.


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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2020, 11:59:04 AM »
Right on thanks for the info I'm gunna upsize the line I believe an shorten some of the current runs with lines I have to make shorter and crank down on relief valve bit more to let it run lees overboard and more to motor. Thanks guys!
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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2020, 09:13:50 PM »
I’m running a -8AN supply line on my 800+hp 545” motor and it doesn’t get above 180 water temp


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Re: 460 heating up
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2020, 11:41:35 AM »
I’m running a -8AN supply line on my 800+hp 545” motor and it doesn’t get above 180 water temp


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Yeah, I would think an -8 would be enough. But if there are no restrictions and the pre-heated water and bypass aren’t the issue, it’s something else to try.


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