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enginedoctor

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okay.....  i don't wanna be a drama queen , ...but:...( Housing  Bore  I/D )

I had a customer come in today to get a second opinion on some block work that he had done at an unknown shop,

Soooooooo.   I do my thing....... I set up my Mic's. @   2.937 5/10....and inspect the mains.

I find the main  housing to be as following:

#1..... 2.938.5  to 2.939.....and tapered.  ( .001 .5)

# 2.....2.939.      #3.  2.940........     okay    anyone see my point........             GT...whatcha think :sly:
 
Ralph.... ::)

« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 09:59:12 PM by enginedoctor »
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Re: BBC Main Journals.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 09:04:59 PM »
No Line hone? Or even check for it?  Forgive me my ignorance, but is it not first and foremost you make the crank and bores square to the block?

Ray
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"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

enginedoctor

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Re: BBC Main Journals.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 09:28:08 PM »
No Line hone? Or even check for it?  Forgive me my ignorance, but is it not first and foremost you make the crank and bores square to the block?

Ray


My point  Ray :).....the main housing  was freshly done, yet a two fold problem here...

1.   Mics were outa wack when measuring...( and  Ralph knows how finickey  I am about that/ refer to  Brad's build)
2.  When using a horizontal  hone....you get gravity drag.....  In this case ..."operator error/Tooling". :sly:
« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 09:57:52 PM by enginedoctor »
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 10:48:33 PM »
 

So besides being out of round, tapered and oversized to boot?  Were 4 and 5 ok or progressively worse?
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 10:52:19 PM »


So besides being out of round, tapered and oversized to boot?  Were 4 and 5 ok or progressively worse?

4 and 5 were worse............and i can tell ya why  :)
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 11:33:41 PM »
4 and 5 were worse............and i can tell ya why  :)


Going with a bent, or improperly maintained boring bar or block not properly centered in the tool... :thumbup:

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 12:21:56 AM »

Going with a bent, or improperly maintained boring bar or block not properly centered in the tool... :thumbup:

GT

Nope!....but close  GT  :thumbup:
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 12:44:52 AM »
 OK, I dont know sht about machining so excuse the dumb answer (if I'm wrong). 

 Was the machine somehow collecting material along the way and enlarging each cut ?
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Welcome to the club of broken boats :o  Pay here$ bend over and move along.

quick olds

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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 11:44:19 PM »
Weak boring bar and the further it got out the worse it loped or took to much in 1 cut and pushed the cutter away
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 11:47:18 PM »
Or didnt make a spring cut back through it will taper if u make every cut in 1 direction gotta go thru and cut opposite direction too?
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enginedoctor

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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 04:49:42 PM »
Well  ....many of you had great answers....... :thumbup:

Anyhow I observed 2 or 3 problems here.

1. The operator attempted finished size to be at  2.938.0......Operator must not have had bore guage correctly
    calibrated as finished size average was  2.939.0 and then some...........

2. mains must have been pretty bad...as at the parting line the block was peened very heavily.
   My thoughts...too much material removed off the main caps w/the cap grinder to try to bring back to size.

3. The mains were not " Bored " and then honed to finish size."......Honed only...(Too much material to remove for
    honing alone ! )


Finally........It look's as though the stones were worn causing the tapered effect, as well as not rotating the block
during the honing process..... and not enough cool down time....I practice getting sizes close, cool down then go back
the next day, re-calibrate mics. and finish to size.
For those of you who have ever resized connecting rods....the process for main work is very similar........................

Just MHO....    :beer:


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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 10:11:37 PM »
Well  ....many of you had great answers....... :thumbup:

Anyhow I observed 2 or 3 problems here.

1. The operator attempted finished size to be at  2.938.0......Operator must not have had bore guage correctly
    calibrated as finished size average was  2.939.0 and then some...........

2. mains must have been pretty bad...as at the parting line the block was peened very heavily.
   My thoughts...too much material removed off the main caps w/the cap grinder to try to bring back to size.

3. The mains were not " Bored " and then honed to finish size."......Honed only...(Too much material to remove for
    honing alone ! )


Finally........It look's as though the stones were worn causing the tapered effect, as well as not rotating the block
during the honing process..... and not enough cool down time....I practice getting sizes close, cool down then go back
the next day, re-calibrate mics. and finish to size.
For those of you who have ever resized connecting rods....the process for main work is very similar........................

Just MHO....    :beer:



ok you lost me!! but i will definitely bring you my motor when its time  :thumbup: hope fully not for a long time  ;D
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Re: BBC Main Housing bores.........( 2.937 0/10 - 2.938 0/10 ) WTF!
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 08:08:22 PM »
Hey Challenger  ;D..........thank's  for your reply. :thumbup:

Guess everybody else flaked :beer: :sly:
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