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Blue2184

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2016, 03:52:19 PM »
Chit I got a set of 781's with big valves in them that would hold up against just about any of the knock off aluminum heads... And I know I wouldn't have a ticking time bomb on my hands...


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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2016, 05:02:54 PM »

Nah... I'm good... You asked an opinion... I offered one that involved spending a considerable amount less money, using much of what you already  have, and making a decent power gain... My opinion was wrong... No big deal.


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i value your opinion I see what you have built I've got my ass handed to me my a couple of your boats the discussion was a preference on AFR vrs DART  I'm all ears what do you have to offer on reworking the heads I have and rough cost or shoot me a phone # so I can better describe my set up to see if working my heads over is even worth it or going to the after market word


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86caribbean

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM »
Jamie, I wouldn’t dismiss what James Bostick has told you, I’m going to side with him also on this topic. The GM rectangle port iron heads are great, there is a lot of potential in those heads, but you have to ask yourself, how much more power and speed are you really after?. Remember one important thing, bigger WILL NOT guarantee you more power, bigger port volume can hurt overall performance due to loss of velocity filling the cylinders, the only way to get the velocity back along with volume is to turn higher RPM, (piston speed), your pump is now in question, what’s your max RPM now? We all know how important cam selection is, Flusher spoke of loosing dynamic compression, this is another concern with big lift and long duration cams in an engine that won’t see the necessary RPM to justify these components. Usually in larger displacement engines we can have cams custom ground with a wider lobe separation to get the dynamic compression back, not requiring as high of RPM to fill the cylinders adequately. Sounds like you have money burning a hole in your pocket, just be wise in your choices, also going with a big solid roller cam may require more maintenance and upkeep, also quicker valve spring fatigue. Taking some of these expensive steps may not give you the results your looking for, and also put you in a category of giving up some reliability and fun. If your 496 is healthy it should be putting out close to 600hp, I just built a 489ci BBC with 781 oval port heads with the larger valves and mild port & bowl work and it dynoed just shy of 600hp, hell my 10.0:1 467ci with shit box slightly worked peanut port heads made 541hp on the dyno. It’s all about the complete combination within the useable rpm range along with everything working in harmony to produce good power.
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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2016, 04:15:48 PM »

Jamie, I wouldn’t dismiss what James Bostick has told you, I’m going to side with him also on this topic. The GM rectangle port iron heads are great, there is a lot of potential in those heads, but you have to ask yourself, how much more power and speed are you really after?. Remember one important thing, bigger WILL NOT guarantee you more power, bigger port volume can hurt overall performance due to loss of velocity filling the cylinders, the only way to get the velocity back along with volume is to turn higher RPM, (piston speed), your pump is now in question, what’s your max RPM now? We all know how important cam selection is, Flusher spoke of loosing dynamic compression, this is another concern with big lift and long duration cams in an engine that won’t see the necessary RPM to justify these components. Usually in larger displacement engines we can have cams custom ground with a wider lobe separation to get the dynamic compression back, not requiring as high of RPM to fill the cylinders adequately. Sounds like you have money burning a hole in your pocket, just be wise in your choices, also going with a big solid roller cam may require more maintenance and upkeep, also quicker valve spring fatigue. Taking some of these expensive steps may not give you the results your looking for, and also put you in a category of giving up some reliability and fun. If your 496 is healthy it should be putting out close to 600hp, I just built a 489ci BBC with 781 oval port heads with the larger valves and mild port & bowl work and it dynoed just shy of 600hp, hell my 10.0:1 467ci with shit box slightly worked peanut port heads made 541hp on the dyno. It’s all about the complete combination within the useable rpm range along with everything working in harmony to produce good power.
here are my thoughts a set of dart aluminum 121cc heads 320cc intake runner a Howard roller 663 lift and keeping the compression pump gas friendly my motor guy claims I'll gain in the ball park of 100 hp and butt load of torque I haven't pulled the trigger on this price tag we'll be around 3500-4000 $ which is a lot I am open to reworking  my rec port heads. But am looking to get the most I can with out spraying I'm not no motor guy but should still be somewhat reliable yah/no  there's nothing else to do to my motor or pump and I don't want to spray


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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2016, 04:27:25 PM »

here are my thoughts a set of dart aluminum 121cc heads 320cc intake runner a Howard roller 663 lift and keeping the compression pump gas friendly my motor guy claims I'll gain in the ball park of 100 hp and butt load of torque I haven't pulled the trigger on this price tag we'll be around 3500-4000 $ which is a lot I am open to reworking  my rec port heads. But am looking to get the most I can with out spraying I'm not no motor guy but should still be somewhat reliable yah/no  there's nothing else to do to my motor or pump and I don't want to spray


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with all that being said I'm just chasing that mph whether the iron rec port heads do the job or the more $$ dart heads do it my goal is hit 90s I figured Buying a better head would be the more reliable rout  but I am by no means a motor builder so I'm all ears


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427 wilder

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2016, 10:48:01 AM »
Had a seat of 990 heads ported. The head Porter called them a economy port job. These 990 heads blew 368 int. 277.9 ex. That is pretty respectable to make power. As they say! Speed cost! How fast do you want to go?
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77_liberty

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2016, 09:22:13 AM »

with all that being said I'm just chasing that mph whether the iron rec port heads do the job or the more $$ dart heads do it my goal is hit 90s I figured Buying a better head would be the more reliable rout  but I am by no means a motor builder so I'm all ears


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Get to 90s is gonna take some hp. I have the same hull but a bit older, I'm at 700-750hp never Been on a Dino. And I'm running around 85mph. Bbf521 a pretty built pump. No show no ride plate. Running a droop and a nozzle insert. 85mph has been my best I've seen in the lake river may be a few more if we're counting down river I can prolly get right under 90.


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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2016, 05:49:47 PM »
Well I pulled the trigger ordered  new pro 1 darts  now order up a head stud kit and a  roller cam and let the game begin


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jamiemwedmore1234

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Re: Cylinder heads
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2016, 05:53:09 PM »
Christmas in July


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