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metallicats33

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First time Jet Boat owner with noob question[s]
« on: July 31, 2011, 02:58:47 PM »
Hello,
 I have just acquired my dad's 1978 Challenger. I grew up on this boat, and know it well... except for one thing. How do I get the oil out :-[ My dad always took it in for service so i've never seen how the oil was changed. The boat has a Chevy 454 in it. Also Can I run this boat out of the water? I see the hook up for the hose to the block but what about the jet? I 'm trying to get is water ready before the end of August. The boat has sat in my dad's garage for the last 5 years. I've gotten it all cleaned up and changed all of the hoses. I got it to fire up but did not run it more than 20 seconds in fear of jet damage.

Thanks for any help / tips, Great site!
James
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metallicats33

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 04:20:11 PM »
Ok, I think I found how to get the oil out. I found a plug at the top of the filter housing. If I remove it I could attaattatch a hose to a fitting and screw it in. Then crank the engine without spark to pump the oil out. Does this sound right?
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 04:36:46 PM »
Your best bet if the boat has not been run on a long time is to get the bow as high as possible, pull the drain plug and let it flow out the bildge in to a drain pan. Good luck.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 04:44:57 PM by flytime »
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Re: First time Jet Boat owner with noob question[s]
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2011, 04:42:56 PM »
Ok, I think I found how to get the oil out. I found a plug at the top of the filter housing. If I remove it I could attaattatch a hose to a fitting and screw it in. Then crank the engine without spark to pump the oil out. Does this sound right?
ARE YOU CRAZY :screwy:

pull the drain plug and let it drain in the bildge first then suck it out of the bildge :screwy:

or lift the motor out like most of us do and drain the oil
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2011, 05:26:34 PM »
ARE YOU CRAZY :screwy:

pull the drain plug and let it drain in the bildge first then suck it out of the bildge :screwy:

or lift the motor out like most of us do and drain the oil


X2.   :thumbup:.   Or buy or use a pump and pump it out. Run the line thru your dip stick hole and start pumping. Should take only 10 to 15 min. You might even have a drain hose from your plug already.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 06:06:01 PM »
I've got an old fuel pump that I reduced the line to fit in the dip stick hole in the pan.

Back in the day, they use to remove the oil pressure sending unit and thread in a fitting with a hose on it.
Fire the motor until the oil sputtered then shut it down. :screwy:
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2011, 06:19:29 PM »
turning the motor over while the plug is out is a great way to make sure all the oil is out.  while youre at it, you want to make sure that no old oil is left in the motor, so take some sand and pour it in and then rinse it out with your hose.  that should get things nice and clean.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2011, 06:48:26 PM »
turning the motor over while the plug is out is a great way to make sure all the oil is out.  while youre at it, you want to make sure that no old oil is left in the motor, so take some sand and pour it in and then rinse it out with your hose.  that should get things nice and clean.

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Re: First time Jet Boat owner with noob question[s]
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2011, 08:57:56 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys. I like the dipstick tube method, I might try that. I don't like the idea of oil running into the bildge. Also what '76 Bonneville' mentioned is what I was going to do... but without the ing coil connected. I called my father and he has changed the oil before and that's how he did it, he is from back in the day though ;D. I like the dipstick tube suggestion better and will probably go that route. Any tips on running the motor with the boat out of the watter? How do I supply water to the jet or do I have to dissconnect it?

Thanks again,
James
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 09:04:25 PM by metallicats33 »
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Re: First time Jet Boat owner with noob question[s]
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »
Your best bet if the boat has not been run on a long time is to get the bow as high as possible, pull the drain plug out of the oil pan, not the block and let it flow out the bildge in to a drain pan. Good luck.

Probably you're best bet. Depending on what oil pan and where the drain plug is, it could now be rigged with a fitting, valve and hose so next time all you do is stick the hose out the hole where the hull drain plug goes, open the valve, and wait.....drink beer whatever.

If it's an automotive pan, the drain plug is likely on the bottom of the pan and a triple jointed midget couldn't get it out.  Then you are left to pulling the engine, as Ralph said, or at least up some, pulling the plug and draining into a pan or the bilge, or sucking it out the dipstick tube with a Motive like vacuum pump. You'd need that either way in this case. Hit Summit Racing or Jeg's up and search Motive.

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Edit: Running on the hose, post some pics of what motor mounts, etc, you have. Should always disconnect the driveline from the engine, then hook the hose to the engine. Start the engine, then CAREFULLY open the hose water so water flows at very low pressure out of the O/B dumps or exhausts.  Sometimes impossible to disconnect the driveines with some mount combinations, and what I HAVE done, is run a pair of hoses from another hose bib on the house, one up the intake and the other up the nozzle as far as I can get it, wide open. Don't do that in the driveway! You're gonna soak down your entire garage, house, anything nearby. If anything, point the rear of the boat at the neighbors house or the street doing it this way.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2011, 09:06:01 PM by IRRebel »
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2011, 09:02:28 PM »
I've heard of putting a large heavy duty trash bag under the pan and pulling the plug, remove the filter and then remove the bag leaving the bilge clean.

I've never had the chance to try this because I always end up pulling the engine before the oil change is due.  :banghead:

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metallicats33

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2011, 09:25:48 PM »
Probably you're best bet. Depending on what oil pan and where the drain plug is, it could now be rigged with a fitting

Not too sure what pan it is. My father refered to it a a jet pan but is unsure of the manufacturer or intended application. I do know I can't see the drain plug and the pan comes within 1/2 inch of the bottom of the boat so i doubt I can install a valve and hose to the plug hole. Thanks for the tips on running the boat. I'm not planning on upping the RPM's. I'm just going to run it a bit to make sure everything is kosher.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2011, 09:40:21 PM »
If you are going to run the boat out of the water you want water to the pump. Doesn't matter if you are going to rev it or not. Don't run the pump dry!
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2011, 09:52:08 PM »
Not too sure what pan it is. My father refered to it a a jet pan but is unsure of the manufacturer or intended application. I do know I can't see the drain plug and the pan comes within 1/2 inch of the bottom of the boat so i doubt I can install a valve and hose to the plug hole. Thanks for the tips on running the boat. I'm not planning on upping the RPM's. I'm just going to run it a bit to make sure everything is kosher.

If it's a jet pan, it'll have a drain plug at one of the bottom, rear, side corners of the pan. I HAVE seen a couple with them in the middle rear, but those have also had another in the former location.  ;)

And yeah, what Bob said!  :thumbup:

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Re: First time Jet Boat owner with noob question[s]
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2011, 09:54:32 PM »
If you are going to run the boat out of the water you want water to the pump. Doesn't matter if you are going to rev it or not. Don't run the pump dry!

Of course, I was just responding to 'IRREBLE'S' neighbor comment ;D
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 07:46:22 AM »
Don't have any suggestions on engine-in-boat methods. Always pulled the motor but then it was set up for it and I built myself a nice A-frame. All electrical went through one aircraft plug, one gas line, one water line, tack cable, four bolts and undo the Lenco drive line with an Allen wrench. oil and fuel pressure stayed on the motor. Took ten minutes. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2011, 12:44:59 AM »
okay, new question/problem? I'm currently replacing all the hoses on the engine. I have Basset water cooled headers and I've searched typical plumbing for jets with water cooled exhaust. Now all of the results I've come across (including Basset's) Have one outlet going to the dump and the headers off the other outlet. Now mine is not set up like this. It currently only has the dump coming off the T-stat. The headers are supplied by a T just below the T-stat, is this okay? I would hope so, it's been like that since 78'  :-\  I've included a pic of how it's set up, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I just want to get everything "right" before it hits the water next month.

« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 12:52:58 AM by metallicats33 »
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2011, 01:15:35 AM »
On the oil drain i got a fram sure drain kit its like 12 bucks. it replaces your drain plug to a hose set up. then run the hose out your transon drain hole. no mess when it comes time for a oil change. ;)
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 02:11:45 AM »
okay, new question/problem? I'm currently replacing all the hoses on the engine. I have Basset water cooled headers and I've searched typical plumbing for jets with water cooled exhaust. Now all of the results I've come across (including Basset's) Have one outlet going to the dump and the headers off the other outlet. Now mine is not set up like this. It currently only has the dump coming off the T-stat. The headers are supplied by a T just below the T-stat, is this okay? I would hope so, it's been like that since 78'  :-\  I've included a pic of how it's set up, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I just want to get everything "right" before it hits the water next month.

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 Same thing,  just different,  your fine.     

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2011, 08:11:34 AM »
Same thing,  just different,  your fine.       

 Remember the #1 rule, if it aint broke, DONT FIX IT !!!  ;)

Sounds good,
Should I maybe add another dump line to the open port on the t-stat? Also I noticed there is no gate valve on the boat :-\ Again, it could have been like this since 78'but don't I need one?
« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 08:15:50 AM by metallicats33 »
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 07:23:04 PM »
I've gotten all the hoses Coming into work tomorrow, afterwards I will be re-plumbing the engine. I'm still a little confused about some areas. Sorry if these are dumb questions or have been asked a thousand times over but this was my father's boat and I want to treat it right. I tried searching but didn't find exactly what I was looking for. I'm still a little new to boat engine operation so please forgive me if I get something wrong. Now the Basset headers are hooked up to a Basset T, Is the the"stainless steel automatic control valve" That Basset's FAQ page refers to? Also The Basset FAQ Diagram for Jet boats shows Two gate valves, one on the Water in line and another on the Dump line. I have neither. Do I need them and What are their purpose? Last Question, If the Basset T Valve is the "stainless steel automatic control valve" That their FAQ refers to, how does it open at 1800 when running off a garden hose? Doesn't it work off water pressure, without the jet supplying the water how does the water pressure increase with the RPM'S?

Thanks in advance for any help,
James
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 08:11:30 PM »
The gate valve on the dump side leave all the way open.  The only reason you would close it off if you can't get water to come out of thr headers until 3000 rpms or so.  I made the mistake of closing it and had too much water and over filled the headers and had water in oil.  You can get it close with a garden hose as far as opening the valve at 1800 but it will change In yhe water.  You will want to turn it down, meaning less water.  I actually just put some things in my lines to restrict the water bc I kept over filling the headers.  And don't adjust the bypass valve thinking its the inlet valve.  The inlet valve is before that.  I just went through this a few weeks ago and now I have it dialed.  Sorry to be long winded but the moral is you don't want water before 1800 and let it all flow out of the dump valve.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2011, 08:25:40 PM »
Also while you have the lines off andd the t valve off make sure they are cleaned and no crap in them that won't allow It to close properly.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2011, 09:02:25 PM »
Also while you have the lines off andd the t valve off make sure they are cleaned and no crap in them that won't allow It to close properly.

O yeah, I checked them all. Everything was fairly clean including the block (used a borescope) except for the non restrictive T under the motor. It had a nasty white build up that clogged one side completely. I soaked it and cleaned it out with a tube brush, good as new.

Now I don't have a gate valve at all. From what your saying though, If the headers get wet at 1800 and everything runs smoothly then don't even add one? They probably will, This is how it's been plumed for as long as I can remember. I guess I should listen to Propless and Just re-install everything exactly how it was:
Remember the #1 rule, if it aint broke, DONT FIX IT !!!  ;)

Thanks for the tips,
James
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2011, 09:27:12 PM »
Yes to all to a point, you should have a BALL valve from the pump to the motor, water lines. If one of the water hoses were to blow you can regulate the flow of water from the pump to your motor and not sink your boat :beer:
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