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aquaholic72

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Help.. need good news..
« on: February 19, 2015, 02:16:01 AM »
I was just putting the heads back on my bbc and a head stud pulled out of the block before it ever got tight.. please tell me i can fix this with a helicoil!! Iv helicoiled alot of stuff but never a deck hole!! Please someone tell me i can! Im so pissed i could spit fire right now..

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Re: Help.. need good news..
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 02:44:53 AM »
I was just putting the heads back on my bbc and a head stud pulled out of the block before it ever got tight.. please tell me i can fix this with a helicoil!! Iv helicoiled alot of stuff but never a deck hole!! Please someone tell me i can! Im so pissed i could spit fire right now..

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I've done it on my suburban years ago. Damn thing overheated and cracked a head. I went to replace the head gaskets and head and ended up breaking a head bolt in the block. Drilled it out and used a helicoil and loctite and it worked fine. That of course didn't run as hard as these boats do so not I'm sure if it will work for you and for how long.
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aquaholic72

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Re: Help.. need good news..
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 03:21:31 AM »
My boats a turd... i just need to know if it can be done with success .. im buildin a new engine but pretty sure its gonna be on the backburner for awhile. And im gonna have to put this one back in.. i cant believe it pulled a stud out of the block. I took a great reliable motor that i built and decided to make changes to it. For no reason at this point except to f#ck it up.. i should have left it alone and just built my my new motor.. thanx for the reply..

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 03:33:10 AM »
I have done it. In my opinion, this the best way to go about it.

http://www.timesert.com/

Let me guess, top left head bolt right? In the water jacket?
I'm sure GT will chime in soon.

Good luck to you Sir.


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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 03:36:23 AM »
Its the top center hole over #1

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 03:43:40 AM »
So ya. That would be top left in the jacket

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 03:57:41 AM »
I hope gt chimes in with good news.. he's allways a wealth of knowledge..

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 04:22:22 AM »
GT, Joe, Jake, Phil, the list goes on. This site is a wealth of knowledge. You will have a consensus soon. I'm all for the time sert. Did an 11:1 BBC 9 years ago. Still holding strong.




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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 04:37:30 AM »
Fursure... i know theres a difference between a timesert and a helicoil but iv never used one... im all for that if i can find out who to get it from fast.. not sure if autozone carrys 7/16 timeserts..maybe they do iv never had to buy one.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 04:43:38 AM »
In all my years of building .. iv never had a deck hole strip... new frustration for me!!! And i dont like it!!!! Lol

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 10:10:31 PM »
I know how you feel when something like this happens, but it's totally fixable. I'm with Roadrunner on this one, I feel a time sert will hold better than a heli coil. Drill it, counter bore the hole and tap it for the 7/16x14 thread incert, make sure you drill as close to being square 90 deg. to the deck as you can and lock tite it in, you will be fine. :thumbup:
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 10:24:43 PM »
Thanks guys.. i found the time sert. Hoping to pick it up tomorrow from specialty fastener i believe out in chino

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2015, 12:24:30 AM »
I didn't use standard length heli-coils, I sourced longer than standard to get full thread engagement.  Time-serts, IMHO, would be a better way to go.  It will be difficult to seal the heli-coil to prevent water from migrating up the bolt and into the oil.

The best way to get the insert straight is to use a drill jig.  I had to insert a few holes in a block once.  Drill a two holes truly perpendicular to a flat surface in a block of steel.  The first hole should be the tap drill size.   The second hole should be drilled and tapped.  The purpose of this block is to ensure that the tap drill hole is drilled perpendicular to the deck surface.  The second (tapped) hole will support the tap while the it is starting in.  It is crucial that the repaired hole be perpendicular to the deck surface and located properly or you might not be able to get the head bolt in.

When you are drilling and tapping the block, use a shop vac to remove the chips.  Cast iron pulverizes into an abrasive dust instead of clean chips.  If you use tap fluid, you will create an abrasive paste that will quickly dull drill bits and taps.

I think I have some of those long heli-coils along with the appropriate drill and tap left over from when I did mine.  If you would like some help with any of this, call/text me, I'm in Colton.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 12:52:39 PM »
This is something we deal with all the time at work.  Many of these Mk IV BBCs are 40+ years old and the iron has fatigued.  We use TimeSerts to repair the threads and problem is solved.  Happens on all kinds of engines, not just BBCs.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 05:16:55 PM »
Got the kit from specialty fastener today. Bought a few of the longer inserts as well. Making a plate to bolt to the deck to keep everything true when i drill and tap as per flushers suggestion.. thanks everyone for ur response. Ill keep u updated on my progress..

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 06:44:00 PM »
Nice kit.  The tool that is unwrapped in the picture, is that a counter bore or installation tool?  Where did you get it and how much?
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 09:10:30 PM »
Yes it is the counterbore ..I got it from specialty fastener in chino. The kit was 88 bucks plus 12 bucks for the extra 6 longer inserts

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 10:13:20 PM »
Yes it is the counterbore ..I got it from specialty fastener in chino. The kit was 88 bucks plus 12 bucks for the extra 6 longer inserts

That's a killer deal!
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 10:13:55 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 10:15:32 PM »
It only does 7/16 x 14 but i got extra inserts if anyone local ever needs to borrow it..

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 10:29:52 PM »
Need to order a kit to fix a stripped hole in my 455 head. It's a 3/8 though. I'll have to give them a call.


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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2015, 12:06:34 AM »
I guarantee they have have it.. they also have a badass master kit thats like 450 bucks that has a bunch of different size kits.. u can look them up online specialty-fasteners.com

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2015, 05:18:08 PM »
Plates are made.. now i just gotta sack up and pull the trigger on the drill!! :'( lol

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 05:19:45 PM »


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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 05:25:01 PM »
The time cert will be stronger than it was originally.

You'll be fine. I have done this quite a few times in the past.

Don't forget to peen it in and use thread locker. You don't want that fukker coming out with the bolt.

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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