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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2008, 12:22:50 PM »
The ball valve is wide open.

I took the bowl off and the inlet is clear.

Tom seems to think that the wear ring is bad. Call me ignorant, but at WOT i should have a pretty big stream of water dumping out, and i dont. I have a mild stream, and at idle, it is just a slow garden hose stream. i guess i am having a hard time understanding how the wear ring will effect the water flow at WOT. i can see it at idle, but at 5k RPM and i am scooting across the river at 50+ MPH, the problem should be solved, Right??? i mean, there is a ton of bowl pressure at WOT.
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2008, 06:41:47 PM »
and your sure there is nothing blocking the intake even partially?
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2008, 03:11:11 PM »
and your sure there is nothing blocking the intake even partially?


Nothing blocking the lines, and i am sure the intake gasket is on right.

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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2008, 04:11:23 PM »
The ball valve is wide open.

I took the bowl off and the inlet is clear.

Tom seems to think that the wear ring is bad. Call me ignorant, but at WOT i should have a pretty big stream of water dumping out, and i dont. I have a mild stream, and at idle, it is just a slow garden hose stream. i guess i am having a hard time understanding how the wear ring will effect the water flow at WOT. i can see it at idle, but at 5k RPM and i am scooting across the river at 50+ MPH, the problem should be solved, Right??? i mean, there is a ton of bowl pressure at WOT.

Right, but engine water is derived from suction pressure. If too much water blows past the wear ring that will drop suction pressure. I have to say I agree with Tom on this one.
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2008, 05:32:34 PM »
Right, but engine water is derived from suction pressure. If too much water blows past the wear ring that will drop suction pressure. I have to say I agree with Tom on this one.

Not 100% accurate, but really close, the cooling water actually comes from the centrifugal force/pressure of the impeller spinning around, and if the wear ring were worn/loose the backpressure would be "diddly squat" because the backpressure just gets pushed through the wear ring back to the inlet of the impeller.

Basically you are correct, the water does come from the "back side" of the impeller but not the "suction" side.

Broken down there are four different pressures on a Berkeley, Dominator, AT pump;

1. Suction pressure, it is exactly  what it sounds like, but if the boat travels fast enough and things are working really well this area (in the suction piece of the pump) this becomes positive.
Lowest

2. Back pressure, again exactly what it sounds like, anytime something spins there is centrifugal forces that fly outward, this is after the inlet side of the impeller, but before the outlet. (see drawing).
Second lowest.

3. Pre stator pressure, or impeller outlet pressure, this is what you would measure whats in the bowl before the stator.
Highest

4. Pump outlet pressure this is the water pressure available to go to the nozzle and push the boat.
Second highest. (seems wrong, but is right)



Hope this answers more questions than it asks!

Spent a lot of time playing with pumps to better regulate the amount of water pressure used for cooling. You actually can really change the pressure and volume by changing the eliptical shape of the depression.
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 08:37:48 PM »
Not 100% accurate, but really close, the cooling water actually comes from the centrifugal force/pressure of the impeller spinning around, and if the wear ring were worn/loose the backpressure would be "diddly squat" because the backpressure just gets pushed through the wear ring back to the inlet of the impeller.

Basically you are correct, the water does come from the "back side" of the impeller but not the "suction" side.

Broken down there are four different pressures on a Berkeley, Dominator, AT pump;

1. Suction pressure, it is exactly  what it sounds like, but if the boat travels fast enough and things are working really well this area (in the suction piece of the pump) this becomes positive.
Lowest

2. Back pressure, again exactly what it sounds like, anytime something spins there is centrifugal forces that fly outward, this is after the inlet side of the impeller, but before the outlet. (see drawing).
Second lowest.

3. Pre stator pressure, or impeller outlet pressure, this is what you would measure whats in the bowl before the stator.
Highest

4. Pump outlet pressure this is the water pressure available to go to the nozzle and push the boat.
Second highest. (seems wrong, but is right)

(Attachment Link)

Hope this answers more questions than it asks!

Spent a lot of time playing with pumps to better regulate the amount of water pressure used for cooling. You actually can really change the pressure and volume by changing the eliptical shape of the depression.

Right thats what I was trying to say. Injured my wrist a couple days ago and have to type with 1  hand plus Im all spun on Norcos at the moment. Great explaination of that though.
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 08:38:37 PM »
Want to share? >:D
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2008, 09:25:27 PM »
One more random thought, what kind of grate are you running? Certain grates can multiply a wear ring issue by causing higher (numerically lower) suction pressures. Sorry thats the OCD in me. ::)
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Re: Heating problems with a jet? Help!
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2008, 09:05:29 AM »
It is a stock grate.
This is starting to make more sense to me now. I have searched hi and low not because i dont believe what you all have told me, but more so because it has to make sense to me before i start throwing my check book at it. Between your last post, and the fact that the boat seems to be lacking in power and plane-ability, and that nasty little rumble i get when the boat is fired up on the trailer, I know what i have to do. I will keep you all posted as i dive into the jet!

Thank you all for your help!
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