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electrowoman

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2009, 04:24:06 PM »
You may have way to small jets in your carb.   What size are they?  We put a 750 on my 460 out of the
box for break in day and it wouldn't even pull up on plane.  Between the dinky jets and the way heavy seconday spring it was really dead.
 
We putted around for half hour and went back to change oil.  Put on the 850 with 80's all the way around and off she went! 

I'm wondering if your jet doesn't need rebuilt.  Mine is a 23' day cruiser and pulled 4500 rpm's bone stock.  The speed was 51 mph.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2009, 04:28:19 PM by electrowoman »
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SoonerFan

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2009, 07:21:37 PM »
Hey Electrowoman this is good stuff  ;D   Im not sure on the carb I'll check it when the boat comes back from getting the trailer brakes redone  :banghead:  between this and the go pedal linkage Im pretty sure you all narrowed it WAY down..thanks so much to all...Oh and about the "Boat Aliens" Stevecat we'll just forget that whole post  ;D 
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2009, 11:52:30 PM »
Well so far Ive checked the carb linkage ( looks good ) Checked the intake ( no rope ) checked the weep hole ( No elephant )  ;D   Still need to check the primaries/secondaries/jets
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2009, 07:26:29 AM »
This is some good information from another thread.

Hey Mike
I remember your boat now that I can see it. I met you up at Berryessa a few years ago with the Laid Back Boaters. I was driving the orange Nordic minicruiser, sitting under the bridge with Cas. I thought your boat ran really well with that panther.

I just read through this thread. My question would be what did the motor sound like at the 4200 rpms? Did it run strong right up to the 4200, or kind of "starve out" ? I had a similar experience in a sleekcraft that I put a good BBC (from another boat) into. Started right up, ran great on the trailer, but when I got to the lake, it wouldn't go above 4000 rpms. I fiddled with the timing, fuel filter, carb, an figured it needed a tune up. Took it home and it ran perfect on the trailer, but I changed the points (yes it was that long ago) and plugs. Went back to the lake and its back at 4000 rpms. I was about ready to pull the plug, when I decided to disconnect the fuel line from the tank and poke it down the fuel fill--whoa, all of a sudden I was getting 5200 rpms out of that little race boat. Turns out the screens in both tanks were clogged, and restricting the fuel flow. Fuel flow was fine at idle, and with no load on the pump, but not enough to feed the motor past the 4000 rpms in the water. All I had to do is take the sending tubes out of the tanks and replace the screens. Maybe you've already figured it out, but I thought I'd relate my experience.

Mark--"Sanger Pete"

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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2009, 12:51:12 PM »
Hey Soonerfan
Saw your boat in a previous thread--looks good. You mentioned there that you took the boat to Perris. How did it run there? Similar rpms? Did it seem alot faster?
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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2009, 01:22:13 PM »
Something I couldn't see when I took the pump apart in my Spectra. It looked like somebody decided to throw a bunch a rocks into the bowl from the back.... totally trashed my impeller..... don't know how or why.

I wish I had a picture.... I'll have to see if I can find one.... Looking from my intake side of the boat, the impeller looked fine.... but when I took it apart the back half of the blades on the impeller were GONE... broken off.... I couldn't beleive it even moved when I took it apart.... Just a thought

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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »
Hey Soonerfan
Saw your boat in a previous thread--looks good. You mentioned there that you took the boat to Perris. How did it run there? Similar rpms? Did it seem alot faster?
yea it ran great, was hitting 50 mph now it just doesnt have the speed..still runs good though
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2009, 03:31:47 PM »
Hey Guys.... Ok I have a question for you all...this still concerns my MPH..I was talking to my dad and he asked me what octane gas I was running?? does the octane of the gas have anything to do with the MPH ?? I told you all I was a newb to this jet boat thing !!  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2009, 04:15:43 PM »
Hmm, a real puzzle. Essentially you've lost approx 20 mph by adding a droop and PD. It seems to me that (1) the motor is OK--4500rpms @ 3500' elevation in a 21' boat sounds about right. (2) the pump is loading OK if you re getting a 100' roost 20' high. If the pump was cavitating, I think your rpms would be higher, and your speed even lower. I've had junk in my pump and had a very loose pump before, and the problem isn't from 30mph to 50 mph, it's from 0 to 15. (3) I'm not sure your boat could hold enough water to slow its speed by approx 20 mph unless it was more than ankle depth--and then it would be pretty noticable.

It sounds to me like something must be dragging in the water--maybe the droop, the box anchor, or like I read one time, "A guy went to the lake for the first time to run his new boat. He launched the boat , idled out and proceeded to run it around the lake. However, he was very disapponted with the top speed which was much lower than he had expected. Back at the ramp he found out that most people disconnect the boat from the trailer when they go boating." That old trailer was just causing too much drag.

I think I would take off the droop, although I've never seen one cause this much of a loss of speed.



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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2009, 04:23:57 PM »
LMAO !!  Ok I feel beeter now !! Im that THAT Newb  ;D  yea this is a puzzle well I'll pull the droop off and see if i helps..I can always put it back on  :banghead: but losing 20mph from that is it possible ?? :sly:
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2009, 05:08:06 PM »
LMAO !!  Ok I feel beeter now !! Im that THAT Newb  ;D  yea this is a puzzle well I'll pull the droop off and see if i helps..I can always put it back on  :banghead: but losing 20mph from that is it possible ?? :sly:

I don't know about 20 mph, but definately 5 or even 10, it may be and probably is more than one thing....Removing the snoot is inexpensive and reversable, definately worth a shot...

GT
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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2009, 07:18:41 PM »
Hmm, a real puzzle. Essentially you've lost approx 20 mph by adding a droop and PD. It seems to me that (1) the motor is OK--4500rpms @ 3500' elevation in a 21' boat sounds about right. (2) the pump is loading OK if you re getting a 100' roost 20' high. If the pump was cavitating, I think your rpms would be higher, and your speed even lower. I've had junk in my pump and had a very loose pump before, and the problem isn't from 30mph to 50 mph, it's from 0 to 15. (3) I'm not sure your boat could hold enough water to slow its speed by approx 20 mph unless it was more than ankle depth--and then it would be pretty noticable.

It sounds to me like something must be dragging in the water--maybe the droop, the box anchor, or like I read one time, "A guy went to the lake for the first time to run his new boat. He launched the boat , idled out and proceeded to run it around the lake. However, he was very disapponted with the top speed which was much lower than he had expected. Back at the ramp he found out that most people disconnect the boat from the trailer when they go boating." That old trailer was just causing too much drag.

I think I would take off the droop, although I've never seen one cause this much of a loss of speed.




I was looking at the droop before I pull it off and it doesnt hang below the boat?? so would that slow it down at all?? Could running 87 compaerd to 91 octane have that much affect on MPH ?? and there was no anchor OR TRAILER dragging  :sly:
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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2009, 03:55:23 PM »
  also I just had a droop and diverter put on !! reverse gate?? whats this??
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Wild idea. What kind of reverser lever do you have? Is it by itself or part of a combo gas/reverser lever?

You said you had a diverter installed, right? That means the reverser bucket/linkage is new to the boat (even if it's used equip). The Place diverter bucket geometry and travel is "different" from what the boat had before. If you have a combo throttle/reverser control lever then maybe the reverser bucket is opening all the way but stopping the throttle cam/linkage in the control lever from going further an letting your motor rev higher.

Ask me why I suspect this and what I've been doing for 45 minutes!  :sly:
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SoonerFan

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« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2009, 01:11:39 PM »
  also I just had a droop and diverter put on !! reverse gate?? whats this??
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My forward/reverse/throttle is not a combo...I have a foot pedal and a l ever for forward/reverse. what kind it is im not sure...I pushed the pedal to the floor and it had WOT...this is so weird..I had it all timed and the carb rebuilt..i took it out and from GPS it would hit about 32mph and when I use the diverter which is way cool by the way  ;D  I got down to about 28 mph  :banghead:

Wild idea. What kind of reverser lever do you have? Is it by itself or part of a combo gas/reverser lever?

You said you had a diverter installed, right? That means the reverser bucket/linkage is new to the boat (even if it's used equip). The Place diverter bucket geometry and travel is "different" from what the boat had before. If you have a combo throttle/reverser control lever then maybe the reverser bucket is opening all the way but stopping the throttle cam/linkage in the control lever from going further an letting your motor rev higher.

Ask me why I suspect this and what I've been doing for 45 minutes!  :sly:
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2009, 11:53:24 PM »
Hey sonnerfan,

I think I have an idea that will help your top speed out, taking a closer look at your picture of the back of the boat I noticed you have a set of trim tabs on the transom....yank em', or otherwise raise them up as high as they will go, it looks as though they are in quite a down setting and creating a big fiberglass barge, the idea is to get the bow up a bit to get some boat out of the water, the tabs will make the ride quality most exellent, but at the cost of performance, could be wrong, but worth a shot...

GT
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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2009, 01:48:44 PM »
GT, sounds like a good thought I'll raise them and see what happens..Im about ready to just rebuild the Jet !! Now my gas gauges and tach went out...ohhhh the life of the jet boat  :sly:
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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2009, 10:23:36 AM »
Hey GT,  I havent yet tried out your idea yet weather here has not been very nice to me....you were right the tabs were all the way down though ..Good Eye !! Im just going to pull them off....but as I was looking at them I was wondering ...why are there trim tabs on here at all ??
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2009, 05:43:42 PM »
Hey GT,  I havent yet tried out your idea yet weather here has not been very nice to me....you were right the tabs were all the way down though ..Good Eye !! Im just going to pull them off....but as I was looking at them I was wondering ...why are there trim tabs on here at all ??

Like I said before, they are typically used on hulls that have a porpoising problem or that list (lean to one side while under way), they basically work like an adjustable hook. let me know what that does for the performance of the boat. Should make a difference...

Don't forget to put the screws back in the holes with a little sealant.  ;)
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2009, 12:08:35 PM »
sweet..will do !! Hey I was reading that the trim tabs should be mounted 1/2 inch above the bottom of the boat ?? not flush with the bottom as that will cause alot of drag ?? any thoughts or clarification on this?? and by the way mine are flush with the bottom !!  :sly:
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2009, 04:34:14 PM »
sweet..will do !! Hey I was reading that the trim tabs should be mounted 1/2 inch above the bottom of the boat ?? not flush with the bottom as that will cause alot of drag ?? any thoughts or clarification on this?? and by the way mine are flush with the bottom !!  :sly:

Flush with the botton is correctomundo!  8)

GT
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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2009, 01:39:51 PM »
Ok all.... i raised up the trim tabs...and got another 2 mph  :banghead: but the boat was porposing..didnt do this when the tabs were down LOL But at 3600 rpms I was hitting 34MPH and 3600 was WOT ??  Im wondering if my pump needs an overhaul or if this ia a motor issue ?? The motor sounded strong didnt cut out at 3600 just wouldnt go any higher  :sly:
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2009, 01:54:26 PM »
Ok all.... i raised up the trim tabs...and got another 2 mph  :banghead: but the boat was porposing..didnt do this when the tabs were down LOL But at 3600 rpms I was hitting 34MPH and 3600 was WOT ??  Im wondering if my pump needs an overhaul or if this ia a motor issue ?? The motor sounded strong didnt cut out at 3600 just wouldnt go any higher  :sly:

Unless the pump main bearing is locking up the pump is not the issue, 3600 RPM is pitifull, there is something keeping the motor from running, or the tach is full of shiat...

How low are you running the nozzle when it porpoises?

GT
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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2009, 01:58:23 PM »
I had it all the way down..then played with it awhile....it seemed worse when the rooster started to fly !  I just dont get the 3600 thats crazy... the pump seems to be fine I think its a carb issue maybe to small ?? what do you think ??
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2009, 02:00:50 PM »
I had it all the way down..then played with it awhile....it seemed worse when the rooster started to fly !  I just dont get the 3600 thats crazy... the pump seems to be fine I think its a carb issue maybe to small ?? what do you think ??

Hard to tell without a vacuum gauge, what carb is on it?

GT
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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2009, 06:21:32 PM »
I believe its a Holley 600.....I may switch it out with a 850...maybe it needs more air ??
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