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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2009, 06:44:00 PM »
I believe its a Holley 600.....I may switch it out with a 850...maybe it needs more air ??

Yeah I agree to a point, I think it still should have pulled 4k.. :-\

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2009, 08:03:48 PM »
I think I am still leaning to a timing issue, either the cam timing or the total advance is not right.  What is the initial timing + what have you got left in the distributor.  To setup your mechanical advance you first need to disconnect your vacuum advance line. Next you should hook up a tach and timing light and see what your timing is set at. Watch the timing marks with the light. The reading at idle is your initial advance. Rev the motor up until the distributor stops advancing and note what speed it maxes out. This is your total advance.  I think most BBC like about 10* initial and about another 20*-24* in the can.  Most engines will have all timing in by 2,500 to 3,000 rpm. 

If that does not work, I would drop the pan, pop off the timing cover and check how the cam timing is set up with a degree wheel, alot of work but...

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2009, 08:13:23 PM »
I think I am still leaning to a timing issue, either the cam timing or the total advance is not right.  What is the initial timing + what have you got left in the distributor.  To setup your mechanical advance you first need to disconnect your vacuum advance line. Next you should hook up a tach and timing light and see what your timing is set at. Watch the timing marks with the light. The reading at idle is your initial advance. Rev the motor up until the distributor stops advancing and note what speed it maxes out. This is your total advance.  I think most BBC like about 10* initial and about another 20*-24* in the can.  Most engines will have all timing in by 2,500 to 3,000 rpm. 

If that does not work, I would drop the pan, pop off the timing cover and check how the cam timing is set up with a degree wheel, alot of work but...

p-jet
 

FYI Vacuum advances do not work on a boat engine, the motor wont make enough vacuum to pull it in, the load is too great.

You dont need to pull the timing cover to "check" the valve timing, all you need is a cam spec card, a degree wheel and a dial indicator.  ;)

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Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PM »
FYI Vacuum advances do not work on a boat engine, the motor wont make enough vacuum to pull it in, the load is too great.

You dont need to pull the timing cover to "check" the valve timing, all you need is a cam spec card, a degree wheel and a dial indicator.  ;)

GT

Even vac. dists have a mechanical advance as well, because when you open the throttle vacuum goes to zero.  Also, any performance mechanical dist will have modules or  bushings to set up a specific advance.

true, but pull the timing cover to see if any cam sprocket eccentrics were installed...
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2009, 09:42:18 PM »
Even vac. dists have a mechanical advance as well, because when you open the throttle vacuum goes to zero.  Also, any performance mechanical dist will have modules or  bushings to set up a specific advance.

true, but pull the timing cover to see if any cam sprocket eccentrics were installed...
  HOLY CRAP !! all I heard was wha wha wha ... LOL   that was all greek to me.... I put that damn boat in the shop today...Im gonna pay out my ass but hopefully it will be good to go !!! This is from someone who is mechanically challenged  ;D

Ill let you all know what their prognosis is !!!   :banghead:

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2009, 04:17:34 AM »
Sooner don't interrupt, the adults are talking here...
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2009, 09:59:26 AM »
LOL.....I'll just listen quietly !!   :D
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2009, 11:58:15 AM »
Just an Update... put the beast in the shop and gave it the once through....all timing is good , no vacuum issues, said the motor is running really strong and got it running to 5K RPM's by hand....tomorrow all three of us are going to take it out and see why it only hits 3600 Rpms from the go pedal ( I know theres a "How many morons does it take to fix a Jet Boat" joke lurking out there somewhere )  ;D  there has to be an issue with the throttle linkage.....hopefully tomorrow this will all be history !!
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beerjet

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2009, 01:55:58 PM »
The Punchline is.........

It's not Jet Boat !
It's the loose nut behind the wheel !

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i dont but im all for stuffin shit in her ass to make her go away :-*

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2009, 02:19:07 PM »
HAHAHAHAHA........wait a second !!! HEY !!!!!     :D
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2009, 05:35:16 PM »
Great job Sooner!
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2009, 09:56:10 AM »
Hey Guys.... well we took it out and al I can say is .... live and learn!! this is what we found.. 1) Bad exhaust leak left side, minor leak right side ( replacing all gaskets as we speak )  2) water leak from the bottom of the housing that the bowl connects to ( not sure what thats called ) pulled bowl cleaned and resealed unit 3) was looking at the Carb and saw the vacuum advance line which was kinda hidden....looked CLOSER and saw black electrical tape on the hose...pulled the hose off and blew through it..NOTHING !! the hose had melted and had a hole in it and who ever decided to wrap it with the tape and completely closed off the line so of course the carb could not advance which in turn kept me at 3600 rpms..... any thoughts on this does this sound right ?!?!  so were gonna take it out again this weekend and Im hopeful we have found the problem or problems !! God I love this boat !!  ;D
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2009, 08:55:17 PM »
FYI again, vacuum advances are a no go on a boat, I would recommend locking it out and disconnecting the vacuum advance and running around 34* total advanced at 2500 RPM, should be good to go....

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Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2009, 09:19:40 PM »
I can't tell if he is talking about a vacuum advance distributor or a vacuum secondary carb.

Post some pics so we can help you get it straighened out.
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2009, 12:44:18 PM »
Well since the boat is still at the shop Ill try to explain it the best I can.... bear with me !! the hose connects to the dist on one end and the front of the carb on the other, the hose was completely plugged.... and when I took it off the motor idle changed so something was going on ...GT Im not sure how to "lock out" the vacuum advance ?? and when you say 34* that little* refers to degrees?? LOL Im trying to learn this mechanical talk.....guess I should have listen to the old man when he tried to teach me instead of chasing skirts  >:D
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SLCKREG

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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2009, 12:54:44 PM »
The vac line was probably plugged on pourpose, to lock the vac. mechanism out. However it can still move around on you. Depending on what dist. you have petronix sells a lock out that bolts in place of the vacuum can. It was back ordered when I did mine so I just tack welded mine in place.
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Re: MPH ???
« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2009, 07:11:08 PM »
yea GT I remember you saying that !! Im going to talk to the mech and see what he can do....Im kinda at his mercy !! he seems to know what hes doing... but we'll get the exhaust gaskets all changed out first...more updates to come  :D
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