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obnoxious001

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 02:39:58 PM »

does anyone tune with a wideband and an O2 sensor?  that seems like the BEST way to go about reaching stoich.  ive done a lot of tuning on my old mustangs and such... it seems like pulling plugs and guessing works, but theres gotta be a more accurate way?

Innovate makes a good one, saves a bunch of time and guesswork.  I have one of their LM-1 models, just need a bung in the dry part of the exhaust for the O2 sensor.
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ka0tyk

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 03:24:27 PM »
Innovate makes a good one, saves a bunch of time and guesswork.  I have one of their LM-1 models, just need a bung in the dry part of the exhaust for the O2 sensor.

only thing i can think of is having like a billet spacer made where my risers bolt up with a threaded hole for the sensor... i prolly have my wideband laying around in a box somewhere.  :ideas:
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Watts420

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2011, 05:45:47 PM »
Reading Spark Plugs


Thanks to Larry Meaux of Meaux Racing for providing this information and pictures.
 
This is only valid if you shut-off the engine after the finish line then tow the car back to the pits where you remove the plugs for reading !!
Or if you are on the dyno
VALID ONLY for full load acceleration or steady state dyno tests

Plugs are best viewed with a 10x power illuminated magnifying glass.
 

The "Ground Strap" = Heat Range
The "Plug's Base Ring" = Jetting
The "Porcelain" = signs of preignition/detonation




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Heat Range:

 

Heat Range = Ground Strap, the ground strap indicates the heat-range of the spark plug. If the "color" of the ground strap "changes" too close to the ground strap's end, (which is above the center electrode), then the heat-range is "too cold" , meaning that the strap is loosing heat too quickly to the base ring, and is not able to burn off deposits until near its end. If the "color" of the strap changes near where it is welded/attached to the base ring (last thread ring), then it means that the plug heat-range is "too hot", because heat is not being tranferred/cooled from the strap to the base ring quickly enough !!!! The strap might begin to act like a "glow-plug", eventually causing preignition and/or detonation later on. Proper heat-range is when the "color" is at the half-way point on the strap, neither too cold or too hot.

 

(Color= meaning the evidence of heat/or lack of heat by the appearance dark vs lightened color of metal)



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Jetting:

 

Jetting = the air/fuel mixture ratio shows up on the base ring (the last thread ring, it has the strap welded to it). You want a full turn of light soot color on the base ring!!! If you want to tune for max. power, then you want 3/4 to 7/8ths of a full turn of light soot color to show up on the base ring, but this is on ragged-edge of being too lean, but will make the most HP on most engines. To be safe, leave it at a full turn of light soot color. If the base ring has a full turn of color, but there are "spots" of heavy build-up of "dry soot" on top of color, then jetting is too rich .

 

NOTE: If the base ring has a full turn of color with some spots of heavy dry soot, then jetting is too rich, REGARDLESS, if the porcelain is "BONE-WHITE", jetting is still TOO RICH !!!
NOTE: Do not look at the porcelain to read jetting !!!



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Preignition/Detonation

Porcelain = the porcelain shows up preignition/detonation, it will not accurately reveal jetting/air/fuel ratios. To look for the first/beginning signs of detonation, search the white porcelain for tiny black specks or shiny specks of aluminum that have fused to the porcelain. When detonation occurs, part of the air/fuel mixture explodes instead of burning, the explosion is heard as a "metallic knock", this audible knock is the result of a sound shock-wave, this shock wave travels back and forth across the clearance volume "disrupting" the cooler boundary layer gases that cover the entire clearance volume area. This disruption allows "more" heat to be transferred into parts, especially, domes/piston tops,...along with the very rapid rise in pressure like a hammer blow, pistons can get torched with melted sides and holes !!! With the early signs of detonation, the shock-wave will also rattle rings causing the tiny amounts of oil that now gets by rings, to be fused to the white porcelain as tiny black specks, also fused as specks are soot that was clinging to clearance volume surfaces in the relatively "still-air" of the boundary layer. One step beyond the black specks, will be tiny specks/balls of aluminum coming off the pistons that will be fused to white porcelin,....the next step to be reached is occasional pieces of the porcelain being broken-off as detonation gets worse, ETC. Soon after that are holes, blown head gaskets, broken connecting rods, ETC.

NOTE: additional signs of beginning detonation are piston rings. By comparing ring's "free-diameter" to "out-of-box" free-diameters of new unused rings will reveals beginnings of detonation before much harm is caused !!! This is a result of the above previous explanation about heat being transferred more readily because the of the relatively insulating/cooler boundary layer being disrupted by the shock-wave. A piston ring is a simple spring, when a spring is over-heated it will loose tension.

Center Electrode = the very tiny sharply defined porcelain - "ditch" that encircles the center electrode, will also show up early signs of preignition/detonation and the wrong heat-range. Look for signs of the ditch beginning to be filled up with melted porcelain, you will need a 5x or 10x magnifying glass.
 
tried to get the pics with it to but didn't work. www.wallaceracing.com/plugreadings

« Last Edit: August 27, 2011, 06:00:46 PM by Watts420 »
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Watts420

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2011, 05:56:39 PM »
NOTE: If the base ring has a full turn of color with some spots of heavy dry soot, then jetting is too rich, REGARDLESS, if the porcelain is "BONE-WHITE", jetting is still TOO RICH !!!
NOTE: Do not look at the porcelain to read jetting !!!

I don't know if I'm wrong but what I read shows me that your number seven plug might be right on or even rich.
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ka0tyk

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2011, 12:45:31 AM »
carb had 65 pri, 73 sec jets.  ended up at 75/80 and it runs PERFECT now.  no choke, no stuttering, jumps out of the hole perfect and WOT's perfect.


thanks for the help everyone! 
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N2GLOCK

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Re: need help with carb tuning...
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2011, 08:39:24 AM »
carb had 65 pri, 73 sec jets.  ended up at 75/80 and it runs PERFECT now.  no choke, no stuttering, jumps out of the hole perfect and WOT's perfect.


thanks for the help everyone!

Glad to hear everything worked out. I'm still having minor carb issues myself. Looks like I have no other choice but to send it in this winter.
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