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Opened up the 460 barn find
« on: May 29, 2012, 09:15:05 PM »
So I couldn't help my self I had to open up this 460 I got that I didn't need
Yes it is a DOVE-a casting
Let me know if anyone is interested in buying this thing in whole as much as I could use the parts I already have enough to build 2 motors here goes
Dooley jet boat pan, Windage tray, rear pick up, high volume pump
It does not look like a factory iron crank
It's a light gray color
Arias 8 pistons
I beam rods
Arp rod bolts
Svo rocker arms and studs
double spring valve springs
Manley push rod guides
C6 heads
I posted a pic of the cam number has some sort of iron cross stamped in it

Someone spent some money on this thing
I found out why it was pulled
Dropped a valve in cyl 1 and f'd up the head
The cyl walls look great but 1 has some slight scoring not real bad
The bottom end turns over like butter vary smooth.
Check out the pics let me know what you think


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« Last Edit: May 29, 2012, 09:44:03 PM by filterbiz »
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Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 09:17:53 PM »
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Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 09:18:31 PM »
« Last Edit: May 29, 2012, 09:40:52 PM by filterbiz »
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 10:01:34 PM »
what do u want for oil pan, pick up and pump
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 10:25:16 PM »
what do u want for oil pan, pick up and pump
Let me make sure I have main bolts I case some one wants the rest and I will pm you tomorrow
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 11:24:37 PM »
Let me make sure I have main bolts I case some one wants the rest and I will pm you tomorrow
The main bolts in that engine are a part of the Dooley pan/pickup/windage tray combo. They must be kept together as a set. Remove the allen bolts holding the windage tray in place and you will find the special main bolts that go with the Dooley tray.

You will be left with a D0VE-A block without main bolts. Not to worry because it is easy to get 429/460 main bolts since many people add ARP main studs or ARP bolts to their blocks.

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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 11:34:57 PM »
Kinda hard to tell from your pics but looks like it might be a cast, bead blasted OEM 460 crankshaft. If so, then it will have markings on the leading or trailing edge of the 3rd counterwieght from the snout, such as 2YA, or 2YABC.

Eagle SIR rods. By the way, the rods look bead blasted too. Probably a freshed or repaired rotating assembly. There's nothing wrong with that if it's done right.

Call Arias and ask for a single piston in that part number (if you can find a part number). If they will offer a single one you'll be in luck, but I doubt they will and the entire set is almost worthless without a new one (unless there is someone out there who needs a broken set so they can make a complete set themselves).

The heads look to be C8VEs

The rockers are generic POS or SVOs (again, I can't tell from the pictures).

Someone might offer a lot for that grenaded long block, not knwoing what they're looking at; I'll offer $50 without the Dooley stuff...you just never know the condition of a grendaded engine/what's good until it comes completely apart and is evaluated. You could take it completely apart and evaluate everything yourself and sell it piece by piece and probably get more than $50. But be careful what you're selling.

The Dooley stuff should be sellable for somewhere in the triple digits, depednding on completeness and overall condition.
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 06:31:47 AM »
I'll call you about the block later today.  I will take the oiling system too if things fall thru with Mr. 80
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 06:50:53 AM »
The main bolts in that engine are a part of the Dooley pan/pickup/windage tray combo. They must be kept together as a set. Remove the allen bolts holding the windage tray in place and you will find the special main bolts that go with the Dooley tray.

You will be left with a D0VE-A block without main bolts. Not to worry because it is easy to get 429/460 main bolts since many people add ARP main studs or ARP bolts to their blocks.

LO
Yeah that's why I was going to look around I know about the Dooley studs that's why
I was going to look in my garage for some main bolts so I could sell the studs with the wind age complete.

Lo there really doesn't look like much damage to the block at all
It ran it just had a miss fire.the valve that dropped made its way out the exhaust because it was gone.
Yes the rockers are svo 1.73 ford
Like I said before the whole rotating assembly spins very nice and all cyl
Walls are nice except 1 has light scratches.

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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 09:01:39 AM »
Yeah that's why I was going to look around I know about the Dooley studs that's why
I was going to look in my garage for some main bolts so I could sell the studs with the wind age complete.

Lo there really doesn't look like much damage to the block at all
It ran it just had a miss fire.the valve that dropped made its way out the exhaust because it was gone.
Yes the rockers are svo 1.73 ford
Like I said before the whole rotating assembly spins very nice and all cyl
Walls are nice except 1 has light scratches.
Any Grade 8, 1/2-13, 4-inch faster will work in the main caps. So if the block is not damaged (after a clean and complete mag check) then it has market value, $100-$400 depending on particulars.

The Ford Racing rocker arms are blue anodized Crane 1.73's, so they are a decent, popular rocker arm and should not be tossed in the trash. Market value depends on a lot of particulars, $50-$150 for a complete set with polylocks, etc.

The SIR rods (presumably 6.605") have value if they all check out (straightness, etc), but it depends which ones they are (pressed, float, thru-bolt, cap screw, etc.).

So if you take the time to tear the engine down, and spend the money to get the parts checked out, then you can do alright with the purchase.
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 10:18:48 AM »
LO
Im now thinking that if everything checks out and all is good, i may build this block with all these parts and sell one of the current already checked and machined blocks i have.
what rods did you say those might be.
and most importantly would you run these parts in YOUR motor?

Thanks

Is the head repairable or do I need a new one.
If so do you have one?

thanks

chris
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 04:19:23 PM »
if u dont build ill jump on that oiling set up ill take all  it comes with
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 07:35:52 PM »
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Pm me an offer for the whole oiling set up.
Pan, tray, studs, pickup, pump
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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 10:01:26 PM »
LO
Im now thinking that if everything checks out and all is good, i may build this block with all these parts and sell one of the current already checked and machined blocks i have.
what rods did you say those might be.
and most importantly would you run these parts in YOUR motor?

Thanks

Is the head repairable or do I need a new one.
If so do you have one?

thanks

chris
The head may or may not be repairable, depending on overall condition, application, and how important cosmetics are to the end user.  Without seeing it, my guess is that technically speaking it's likely repairable in the sense that it could be made functional again with new exhaust seats probably for a slightly larger exhaust valve. But The extent of the damage is unknown, as is whether the cost of the repair will exceed the value of the heads once the repairs are completed.

The rods look like the Eagle SIR series. They have been "rated" as high as 700 hp and whatever version they are (or whatever knock-off brand they may be) I might use them in a personal 500 hp build if they check out okay (I tend to err to the conservative side with cheapo parts where I don't know the complete history--they might very well take more power than I would subject them).

Yes we have bare early-style castings. I even have a pair of fully machined and assembled C8VE heads ready to bolt on. (Please call for details.)

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Re: Opened up the 460 barn find
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 11:57:14 PM »
thanks chris for the pan

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