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SteveOhh

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Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« on: August 20, 2008, 09:57:42 PM »
I was looking at this earlier today & thought I'd get the experts opinions before biting the bullet.  So....................................o pinions wanted...... ;D

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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 10:01:18 PM »
IMHO I have put a number of these on customers boats, but don't really see the need, if you want perfect temperature control, just put on a water pump and stat with a heat exchanger? they work good, the stat kits dont really hit me where it counts, I don't use them on either of our jets.

Might be just me though :-\
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 10:39:40 PM »
 Once again , I have to agree with GT.   These boats have survived a long time without these things. Why spend money to fix something that's not broken, save your money there will be lots of other thing to spend it on soon  ;) .

 Oh and welcome to the site  ;D
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 06:07:19 AM »
My Hondo has one and it runs 160 degrees all the time. 

Between the T-stat, logs and ot pipes this is the easiest cooling system I have seen (I never have to mess with it).
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 07:10:09 AM »
i run this setup on my southwind and it works just great=160 degrees all the time-no more messing with valves and what not

my kid also runs one on his youngblood with no problems=

try a speed shop first on price as tognittis here in sac sells it for 105.00
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 11:20:25 AM »
I recently bought that set up and i love it  :o  works awesome, motor runs at 160 constant. I also went with the pressure relief valve which was a smart choice. Any water pressure over 17psi gets dumped overboard instead of being shuved in the block and into the oil. The Water pressure to the headers is a one time set, never adjust another valve again!!!  A thermostat kit and relief valve i think every jet boat should have. Theres nothing worse then a motor that doesnt even heat up or a motor with water in the oil. These 2 parts will fix all your problems..
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Jetaholic

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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 08:18:53 PM »
The t-stat kit is made to be used with a different type of cooling system called a LPHV (low pressure high volume) cooling system. This is one of the best cooling systems IMHO and I won't run anything else. It solves a couple of problems inherant in jet boats: 1 of them being the problem of the temp fluctuating with pump RPM and the other would be the possibility of overpressuring the block gaskets and getting water in the oil which is all too common on boats with OT headers.

You've probably noticed on most jet boats how the engine temperature fluctuates with pump speed, similar to how your engine temp in your car would do if it were low on coolant. This is because the water is restricted by an adjustable gate valve between the pump and the engine. The reason for that is to keep the pump from overpressuring the block, which would otherwise blow gaskets and get water in the oil. But while limiting the pressure, it also limits the water volume (the actual amount of water) that can get to the engine. Because of this, at an idle there isn't enough water to completely fill the engine block, causing the temperature to rise at the slower pump speed. As the speed of the motor and pump are increased, more water can now get to the engine, cooling it back down.

The idea is to run the water fully on. Now with it set this way the pump can and will overpressure the block. To prevent that from happening, you run a bypass pressure relief on the inlet of the pump. You can get them at McMaster-Carr...http://www.mcmaster.com and they sell for about $50. Their part number is 9763K12 and it's the one that's rated for 0-300psi. They're adjustable and you want to set them with air so that it's just starting to open at 12psi. With the large volume of water that the pump kicks out when unrestricted, any excess water that causes the block pressure to build past 12psi will be dumped overboard. You then run 2 overboard dumps. If your headers are using one of your overboard dump connections, this will need to be removed as this connection will need to be ran to an overboard dump fitting. The header water will be tapped from another source.

By not restricting water to the block, there will be plenty of water to completely fill the block, eliminating the possibility of hot spots in the heads.

So now you have full unrestricted water flowing from the pump, the block is always completely full of water, and your engine water pressure is perfect regardless of pump speed. So far so good right? However, with this setup the engine will run far too cold. We need a way to boost the engine temp up to 140 or so for proper combustion to take place. This is where the thermostat kit comes in. It's job is to provide a means of raising the engine temperature without restricting water flow between the engine and the pump.

Now you have perfect block pressure and since the block is always full of water regardless of pump speed, you now have a constant running temperature of 140* - 160* with no water in the oil.

Now for header equipped boats...we need to bring the header water in from another source. You'll need a gate valve between the Bassett T-valve and whatever water source you decide to tap off of. You can T off of the water coming from the pump, or you can even remove one of the pipe plugs from the intake manifold water crossover and tap it from there. This way, opening the gate valve sends more water to the headers and has no effect on block pressure. Again...no water in the oil.

Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2008, 08:23:54 PM by Jetaholic »
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shawnthedrifter

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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 09:06:24 AM »
I was looking at this earlier today & thought I'd get the experts opinions before biting the bullet.  So....................................o pinions wanted...... ;D

http://www.cpperformance.com/detail.aspx?ID=697

Ive never had an overheating problem in the boat. Save your money for some boat soda's. Where abouts in La Mirada you at? :sly:
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 10:06:07 AM »
T-stats too much bother. Old school we ran straight from the pump through an oil cooler to the motor with a standard hardware store valve at the pump.  Some guys located the valve under the seat so they could adjust it while driving. Lake and river temps are stable enough so once you set it you were usually done.
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Jetaholic

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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 10:59:01 AM »
Ive never had an overheating problem in the boat. Save your money for some boat soda's. Where abouts in La Mirada you at? :sly:

Yes, it will work the other way, but there's nothing wrong with making it work better this way.
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 12:27:37 PM »
If your gonna run a t-stat , remember how much shit people pull from the water passages . Count on buying a strainer of some kind to insure your t-stat dont get clogged . I think the idea of the T-stat is a good one but like wizard says , just too much shit to fumble and a bumble around with , for me anyways .
T-stats too much bother. Old school we ran straight from the pump through an oil cooler to the motor with a standard hardware store valve at the pump.  Some guys located the valve under the seat so they could adjust it while driving. Lake and river temps are stable enough so once you set it you were usually done.
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 01:13:12 PM »
Keep it simple!!! The less moving parts the better!
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 02:17:38 PM »
I will add one caveat to this with yet another old timer's story... APBA Nationals in Phoenix, Wizard was ready to go first heat out we were on the five minute clock for the start. I had just past the start finish line starting my last warm up lap and I noticed my water temp was pegged. Pulling out of turn one I unhooked kill switch and chute, just about burnt my arm off on my exhaust, engine was hissin an poppin tellin me she was pissed. I got to the valve and found it had been turned off tight...SABOTAGE!!!
I tried to guess how many turns to get it open just right and rushed back to my seat, get all hooked back up, get it started and back to the start line.  Got caught up fine and the start was acceptable but checking my temp again it was still pegged. SH....T!  Did the same thing again this time I opened that sucker up all the way and got back into the race.  In five miles I went from last to second. Motor was so cool you couldn't warm the hart of a hooker on it.  Second heat we were ready and won the heat by over a quarter of a lap.  Missed the National Championship on combined time of three seconds.  Moral to the story even though it's a simple solution you can still get bit in the back side if you don't check everything out before you hit the water.  True if you're racing or going out to pull the kids in a tube.
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 03:26:12 PM »
I will add one caveat to this with yet another old timer's story... APBA Nationals in Phoenix, Wizard was ready to go first heat out we were on the five minute clock for the start. I had just past the start finish line starting my last warm up lap and I noticed my water temp was pegged. Pulling out of turn one I unhooked kill switch and chute, just about burnt my arm off on my exhaust, engine was hissin an poppin tellin me she was pissed. I got to the valve and found it had been turned off tight...SABOTAGE!!!
I tried to guess how many turns to get it open just right and rushed back to my seat, get all hooked back up, get it started and back to the start line.  Got caught up fine and the start was acceptable but checking my temp again it was still pegged. SH....T!  Did the same thing again this time I opened that sucker up all the way and got back into the race.  In five miles I went from last to second. Motor was so cool you couldn't warm the hart of a hooker on it.  Second heat we were ready and won the heat by over a quarter of a lap.  Missed the National Championship on combined time of three seconds.  Moral to the story even though it's a simple solution you can still get bit in the back side if you don't check everything out before you hit the water.  True if you're racing or going out to pull the kids in a tube.

Hence the reason I always do my walkaround before launching. Check & make sure plug is in, nozzle bolts are tight, water valve on pump fully open, etc etc.
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 04:53:18 PM »
i have this set up too and noticed the boat runs nicely at 160 a good investment i recommend it
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 07:03:11 PM »
If you like the idea of no water flow , and then throw a bunch of  cold lake water on your chit, run a t-stat.
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 11:53:28 PM »
If you like the idea of no water flow , and then throw a bunch of  cold lake water on your chit, run a t-stat.

Oh yeah..I guess that's why they run such a constant temp.

Again...mine runs a CONSTANT 140* regardless of pump speed. 45 hours later, no water in the oil and awesome performance.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2008, 11:57:04 PM by Jetaholic »
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Re: Opinions on Thermostat Kit
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 08:35:58 AM »
Although we offer them (Tstat set ups) for those that desire to use them we dont use them in what we build service and repair ,water temp readings are innacurate in jets due in part to the fact that the water(coolant) doesnt and can't be made to "dwell" long enough to effectively  carry off the engine heat properly with a simple non recirculating Tstat set up We recommend you monitor oil temp in your motor (more critical) IMO Tom
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