Post by: Bunger on March 25, 2015, 09:20:51 PM
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Post by: GT Jets on March 25, 2015, 09:42:22 PM
Been running vr1 straight 50 since I bought the boat. 12qrts comes out to almost a100$ every time I change the oil. I heard rotella has a lot of zinc in it. I have a flat tappett cam so I need the high zinc content. Would I be alright running say 20w50 or somethin? Or is it worth the extra money for the vr1. Motor is a 455.
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Are you looking to start a 300 post thread on oil?
If you want my answer, you will have to do the research to disqualify the information.
Rotella, Delo and all other DOT oils are and have been going through the same changes as regular passenger car motor oils. So what works now may not work later.
All that being said. I have run regular Kendall 20-50 with a little Camshield break in additive. Makes it a $35 oil change.
The one caution is, know what the heck you are shooting for as far as ZDDP content.
You have to research the ZDDP levels in the oils used and add just enough zinc to fortify what you have.
You really do not want to exceed 1,600 ppm (.16%) total.
GT
Post by: Bunger on March 26, 2015, 05:27:28 AM
Are you looking to start a 300 post thread on oil?
If you want my answer, you will have to do the research to disqualify the information.
Rotella, Delo and all other DOT oils are and have been going through the same changes as regular passenger car motor oils. So what works now may not work later.
All that being said. I have run regular Kendall 20-50 with a little Camshield break in additive. Makes it a $35 oil change.
The one caution is, know what the heck you are shooting for as far as ZDDP content.
You have to research the ZDDP levels in the oils used and add just enough zinc to fortify what you have.
You really do not want to exceed 1,600 ppm (.16%) total.
GT
What's your opinion on straight weight oil?
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Post by: GT Jets on March 26, 2015, 05:51:25 AM
What's your opinion on straight weight oil?
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Well, honestly it puts you right back into a racing oil. I personally like straights in certain applications. The thought is, you aren't going to be running a jet boat in the snow.
Straight weights don't have the polymers that are found in a multi. Less crap better oil.
Imho.
GT
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Post by: mobboss on March 26, 2015, 07:15:08 AM
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Post by: GT Jets on March 26, 2015, 07:29:48 AM
Thank you!!! I have been running Kendal straight 40 since day one.
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If you catch a good sale at Pep Boys, you can buy Kendall for under $5 a quart.
I am an Amsoil dealer, soooo. Yeah.
GT
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Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 09:01:51 AM
Been running vr1 straight 50 since I bought the boat. 12qrts comes out to almost a100$ every time I change the oil. I heard rotella has a lot of zinc in it. I have a flat tappett cam so I need the high zinc content. Would I be alright running say 20w50 or somethin? Or is it worth the extra money for the vr1. Motor is a 455.How often do you change your oil ? I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment. I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it. I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor. At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better. Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:
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Post by: capogniracing on March 26, 2015, 09:12:26 AM
How often do you change your oil ? I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment. I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it. I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor. At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better. Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:😂 but we drink coorslight?!?!
"RTCP"
Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 09:23:03 AM
😂 but we drink coorslight?!?!Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:
"RTCP"
Post by: capogniracing on March 26, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:ha ha 🍻👍👍
"RTCP"
Post by: GT Jets on March 26, 2015, 10:08:39 AM
Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:
Just reading that made me have to go take a piss.
:-\
:D
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Post by: Bunger on March 26, 2015, 10:28:02 AM
How often do you change your oil ? I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment. I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it. I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor. At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better. Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:
When I was milking the oil about 8 times the first summer. Now about 2-3. All depends on how much I run it.
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Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 11:53:05 AM
If your happy with the VR1 for the extra 90 dollars a year I would stick with it.
When I was milking the oil about 8 times the first summer. Now about 2-3. All depends on how much I run it.
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Post by: Bunger on March 26, 2015, 11:56:45 AM
If your happy with the VR1 for the extra 90 dollars a year I would stick with it.
Gotcha. Only issue I have is the oils gettin a little hot. I was told a multi weight oil helps bring temps down a bit
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Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
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Post by: lil_riddle_ on March 26, 2015, 08:15:47 PM
Post by: 78Southwind on March 26, 2015, 10:26:10 PM
Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.. Thanks for the heads up on that deal.
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Post by: 78Southwind on March 26, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
. Thanks for the heads up on that deal.Just stay out of the chino hills store. Their stock is mine.
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Post by: jimpen on March 26, 2015, 10:33:40 PM
Just stay out of the chino hills store. Their stock is mine.. Will do sir
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Post by: Bunger on March 27, 2015, 04:14:55 AM
For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.
Awesome thanks for the tip 👌
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Post by: Wakedodger on March 27, 2015, 07:49:08 AM
too bad napa doesn't have bottle up racing oil :banghead: ...since they use Valvoline oil (Ashland owned).
Post by: GT Jets on March 30, 2015, 05:44:26 PM
I was looking at the Lucas the extreme duty marine...which the zinc % is .31...how much is too much? ha. Top fuel boat oil not 455 stocker oil?
too bad napa doesn't have bottle up racing oil :banghead: ...since they use Valvoline oil (Ashland owned).
That is a short term use oil, when I say short term, I mean one or two runs. ???
IMHO as long as the phosphorous levels are lower than the ZDDP levels I always give myself limits on zinc levels, my personal preference is approx. 1,600 PPM (.16%). Never higher (for me) than 2,000 PPM (.2%). I use a lower limit of 1,200 PPM (.12%) as a line I do not cross.
These are just my personal preferences based on recreational reading I have done. I use synthetics and regular oils, the theory is the same as far as I am concerned.
GT
Post by: mstrader77 on March 31, 2015, 11:26:18 AM
http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html (http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html)
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/HDEO%20SUMMARY.html (http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/HDEO%20SUMMARY.html)
Post by: Bunger on March 31, 2015, 03:10:08 PM
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Post by: jet fever on March 31, 2015, 06:38:07 PM
The Vr1 is towards the top of the list of having the best wear protection period. And it has good amount of Zinc
Wear protection is key not just which has the most zinc.
Post by: Blown R/T on March 31, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:Natty light?? Haha
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Post by: Bunger on April 01, 2015, 04:52:25 AM
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Post by: GT Jets on April 01, 2015, 06:37:57 AM
Any opinions on my oil temps? ^^^
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Not going to get much better than that.
I personally would not change a thing.
GT
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Post by: Bunger on April 01, 2015, 06:42:22 AM
Not going to get much better than that.
I personally would not change a thing.
GT
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That's what I was hoping to hear from u!! Thanks man. I'll just change the oil every two trips to keep it fresh
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Post by: 78Southwind on April 01, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.
Well I called Autozone and no sale on VR1 yet. I asked them if they knew when it would go on sale and he didn't. So I will check next week. If anyone sees it on sale let's us know. O0
Post by: jimpen on April 01, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
Well I called Autozone and no sale on VR1 yet. I asked them if they knew when it would go on sale and he didn't. So I will check next week. If anyone sees it on sale let's us know. O0Please keep us updated on this if you get any info this will be a good deal. :thumbup:
Post by: Bunger on April 01, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Well I called Autozone and no sale on VR1 yet. I asked them if they knew when it would go on sale and he didn't. So I will check next week. If anyone sees it on sale let's us know. O0
X2 I'm gunna but a bunchhh
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Post by: tamsone6 on April 02, 2015, 01:05:40 AM
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Post by: GT Jets on April 02, 2015, 07:57:45 AM
So I've been watching this thread for a few days now just to see the different thoughts and opinions....then I started wondering if anyone is using aviation oil out there. Phillips 66 is only $5 and some change for a quart of 20/50. I'm trying to see if I can find anything on the zinc/phos content in those.
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From what I remember, I think piston planes use a non detergent oil.
Not sure about the zinc.
Interesting question. I think it deserves a look-see.
GT
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Post by: tamsone6 on April 02, 2015, 09:01:56 AM
From what I remember, I think piston planes use a non detergent oil.
Not sure about the zinc.
Interesting question. I think it deserves a look-see.
GT
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Looked into this a little more in depth this morning and you're right GT, most of them are non detergent oil or ash-less dispersant oil. The Phillips 66 oil doesn't have any zinc in it, I'm not sure about the others but I assume they are the same.
After looking into aviation piston engines a bit more they are built to run on zinc-less oils. Now a lot of the newer light sport aircraft and home built stuff use subaru engines or rotex engine which are designed to be used with automotive motor oil. Shell makes an aviation grade oil designed for these engines but it's about 10 bucks a quart, might as well stay with vr1 or something similar.
I did find this page where someone tested a bunch of oils which is pretty interesting. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35836
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Post by: Wakedodger on April 03, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
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Post by: 78Southwind on April 05, 2015, 10:40:22 AM
The auto zone sale has started for VR1Are you sure? I called the chino hills autozone and they said not yet. He even looked on next week's ad and it wasn't on there. I am looking for straight 50 wt.
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Post by: jimpen on April 05, 2015, 10:43:53 AM
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Post by: 78Southwind on April 05, 2015, 10:45:35 AM
Yes we bought 30 quarts yesterdayWhich store and which VR1?
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Post by: 78Southwind on April 05, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
50 wt 4.19 a quart town and arrow hwyThanks guys its actually on sale they were just too lazy to scan it for me. Pretty crazy that the whole store doesn't know that the oil is on sale and there's no tags.
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Post by: Bunger on April 05, 2015, 01:23:27 PM
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Post by: 78Southwind on April 05, 2015, 01:29:13 PM
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Post by: 72KonaRiverB on April 14, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: 78Southwind on April 14, 2015, 08:36:30 PM
i was just at autozone tonight to pick up VR1 50 wt, it wasn't on sale.... didn't realize it was a F-ing secret sale :sly:
It's so secret even the employees don't know about it and if you get a lazy employee who doesn't scan it you when you call them up you're screwed. :thumbdown:
Post by: capogniracing on April 14, 2015, 09:12:33 PM
It's so secret even the employees don't know about it and if you get a lazy employee who doesn't scan it you when you call them up you're screwed. :thumbdown:x2 I went on a Saturday and got the discount, then tried again on a Tuesday and they came up with nothing. But I did find vr1 at a autozone already listed at 4.99 and they felt bad and gave me another 10% off.
"RTCP"
Post by: 72KonaRiverB on May 06, 2015, 02:10:44 PM
Post by: 78Southwind on May 06, 2015, 02:31:16 PM
VR1 still on secret sale in May, got some this weekend $4.60 a qt, dude at the counter had NO clue.Cool maybe I'll get some more oil with the $20 they owe me.
Post by: 72KonaRiverB on September 15, 2015, 12:28:25 PM
Post by: Bunger on September 16, 2015, 04:12:27 AM
Anyone seen VR1 50wt on sale again?
I believe it's only April
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Post by: Flusher on October 05, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Anyone seen VR1 50wt on sale again?
On sale at O'Reily until 10/27/15
Post by: 72KonaRiverB on October 05, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
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Post by: 72KonaRiverB on January 25, 2017, 06:23:56 PM
Sincerely,
Oil Guzzler prepping for summer
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