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Rotella vs. VR1
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:20:51 PM »
Been running vr1 straight 50 since I bought the boat. 12qrts comes out to almost a100$ every time I change the oil. I heard rotella has a lot of zinc in it. I have a flat tappett cam so I need the high zinc content. Would I be alright running say 20w50 or somethin? Or is it worth the extra money for the vr1. Motor is a 455.


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 09:42:22 PM »
Been running vr1 straight 50 since I bought the boat. 12qrts comes out to almost a100$ every time I change the oil. I heard rotella has a lot of zinc in it. I have a flat tappett cam so I need the high zinc content. Would I be alright running say 20w50 or somethin? Or is it worth the extra money for the vr1. Motor is a 455.


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Are you looking to start a 300 post thread on oil?

If you want my answer,  you will have to do the research to disqualify the information.

Rotella,  Delo and all other DOT oils are and have been going through the same changes as regular passenger  car motor oils. So what works now may not work later.

All that being said. I have run regular Kendall 20-50 with a little Camshield break in additive.  Makes it a $35 oil change.

The one caution is, know what the heck you are shooting for as far as ZDDP content.

You have to research the ZDDP levels in the oils used and add just enough zinc to fortify what you have.

You really do not want to exceed 1,600 ppm (.16%) total.

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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2015, 05:27:28 AM »

Are you looking to start a 300 post thread on oil?

If you want my answer,  you will have to do the research to disqualify the information.

Rotella,  Delo and all other DOT oils are and have been going through the same changes as regular passenger  car motor oils. So what works now may not work later.

All that being said. I have run regular Kendall 20-50 with a little Camshield break in additive.  Makes it a $35 oil change.

The one caution is, know what the heck you are shooting for as far as ZDDP content.

You have to research the ZDDP levels in the oils used and add just enough zinc to fortify what you have.

You really do not want to exceed 1,600 ppm (.16%) total.

GT

What's your opinion on straight weight oil?


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 05:51:25 AM »
What's your opinion on straight weight oil?


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Well,  honestly it puts you right back into a racing oil. I personally like straights in certain applications.  The thought is, you aren't going to be running a jet boat in the snow.

Straight weights don't have the polymers that are found in a multi. Less crap better oil.

Imho.

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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 07:15:08 AM »
Thank you!!! I have been running Kendal  straight 40 since day one.


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 07:29:48 AM »
Thank you!!! I have been running Kendal  straight 40 since day one.


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If you catch a good sale at Pep Boys, you can buy Kendall for under $5 a quart.

I am an Amsoil dealer, soooo. Yeah.

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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 09:01:51 AM »
Been running vr1 straight 50 since I bought the boat. 12qrts comes out to almost a100$ every time I change the oil. I heard rotella has a lot of zinc in it. I have a flat tappett cam so I need the high zinc content. Would I be alright running say 20w50 or somethin? Or is it worth the extra money for the vr1. Motor is a 455.


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   How often do you change your oil ?  I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment.  I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it.  I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor.  At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better.  Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 09:12:26 AM »

   How often do you change your oil ?  I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment.  I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it.  I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor.  At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better.  Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:
😂 but we drink coorslight?!?!


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 09:23:03 AM »
😂 but we drink coorslight?!?!


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  Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:
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Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 09:38:00 AM »
  Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:
ha ha 🍻👍👍


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 10:08:39 AM »
  Yes we do RTCP what I'm trying to say there will be NO Keystone in my cooler sir. :beer: :beer:

Just reading that made me have to go take a piss.

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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 10:28:02 AM »

   How often do you change your oil ?  I have read that the levels in Rotella has been reduced to meet requirements for smog equipment.  I also use VR1 and for the 30 dollar difference I think I will stay with it.  I change my oil between 4 and 5 times a season so it is around 150.00 that is 1 % of the cost to replace the motor.  At the end of the day it is just habit I'm sure there is other oil just as good if not better.  Two places I will not go cheap my oil and my beer!!! :thumbup:


When I was milking the oil about 8 times the first summer. Now about 2-3. All depends on how much I run it.


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 11:53:05 AM »

When I was milking the oil about 8 times the first summer. Now about 2-3. All depends on how much I run it.


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  If your happy with the VR1 for the extra 90 dollars a year I would stick with it.
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 11:56:45 AM »

  If your happy with the VR1 for the extra 90 dollars a year I would stick with it.

Gotcha. Only issue I have is the oils gettin a little hot. I was told a multi weight oil helps bring temps down a bit


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 11:58:05 AM »
Not sure about that I run 20/50


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 08:15:47 PM »
I use to do prep on a 700hp ls and ran vr1 only a 6 quart oil pan and would loose oil pressure after the engine would get hot. Then started 5 quarts of the vr1 and 1 quart of lucus and motor loved it.
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 10:26:10 PM »
For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 10:30:45 PM »

For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.
. Thanks for the heads up on that deal.


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2015, 10:32:59 PM »
. Thanks for the heads up on that deal.


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 10:33:40 PM »

Just stay out of the chino hills store. Their stock is mine.
. Will do sir


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2015, 04:14:55 AM »

For those that use VR1 every April Autozone has a sale for $2 of a qt.

Awesome thanks for the tip 👌


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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2015, 07:49:08 AM »
I was looking at the Lucas the extreme duty marine...which the zinc % is .31...how much is too much? ha. Top fuel boat oil not 455 stocker oil?

too bad napa doesn't have bottle up racing oil  :banghead: ...since they use Valvoline oil (Ashland owned).
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2015, 05:44:26 PM »
I was looking at the Lucas the extreme duty marine...which the zinc % is .31...how much is too much? ha. Top fuel boat oil not 455 stocker oil?

too bad napa doesn't have bottle up racing oil  :banghead: ...since they use Valvoline oil (Ashland owned).

That is a short term use oil, when I say short term, I mean one or two runs.   ???

IMHO as long as the phosphorous levels are lower than the ZDDP levels I always give myself limits on zinc levels, my personal preference is approx. 1,600 PPM (.16%). Never higher (for me) than 2,000 PPM (.2%). I use a lower limit of 1,200 PPM (.12%) as a line I do not cross.

These are just my personal preferences based on recreational reading I have done. I use synthetics and regular oils, the theory is the same as far as I am concerned.



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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 11:26:18 AM »
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Re: Rotella vs. VR1
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 03:10:08 PM »
Went with the straight 50. So next question. I ran the boat the first time with the oil temp gauge. The highest I saw was 260-270 running pretty hard. Cruising it'd dropped to 230 ish and if I'd idle for 10 min or so it'd drop to below 200. But after running hard and dropping to a cruising speed it took alonggggg time for the needle to drop. Not sure if it's time for a cooler, or possibly my oils getting foamy? Right on the full line of her dip stick in a 12qrt pan.


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