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SomeThingWilder

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Starter relay ( solenoid )
« on: August 05, 2015, 10:56:57 PM »
Who runs ones and why? I cheated and order the bbc engine wiring harness from hardin. The engine harness is wired up for a relay ( seloniod )  . I've talk to a few of my elders and they said it is not needed on a bbc maybe a ford but not a chevy.  Any insight fro. The professionals is much appreciated  in advance
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2015, 11:08:03 PM »
I run a solenoid on the back of the pass. side head, so the starter is not 'hot' except when starting. And its easier to switch starters, too. (454, BBC)
All my GM trucks have them too, for heat soak..

Dan'l
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2015, 11:09:55 PM »
What you are talking (I assume) is a slave solenoid. Using a Ford style puck relay. Correct?

The reasons are actuality two fold.

First and foremost, it provides battery voltage to the starter mounted solenoid on the GM starter,  if you think about it,  the power for the dash cones from the battery, which in 90% os the time is at the transom of the boat. So let's say, battery,  to terminal,  to terminal block,  to dash at ignition switch,  now downgrade the wire a few sizes and go from the starter, to the terminal block,  to the starter that has to pull the Bendix into type flywheel and pull in the contacts to spin the starter motor.

That's over 30' of wire and about 6 terminals. The voltage drop is crazy.

When you run the slave solenoid, all that wire has to do is pull in the easier solenoid, very low current draw.  This puts virtually full battery voltage to the GM solenoid, as a plus, if you use the "I" terminal on that solenoid to bump the coil voltage, everything gets a little boost.

I have tested it and have seen voltage drops to the starter to be as much as 6 volts. Meaning your trying to pull in the starter Bendix on half the rated voltage. This is twice the normal current.

This solenoid install will really reduce starter failures.

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2015, 11:23:40 PM »
X2 on what mash on it says.... not really needed for gm but a nice addition..iv always ran them on cars when i put the battery in the trunk.. just remember u have to run a jumper wire from the main power on ur starter to the signal terminal at the starter for it to work..O0

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 11:25:04 PM »
X2 for gt as well... O0

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2015, 05:54:19 AM »
Thanks GT you confirmed  what I thought about the voltage drop.
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2015, 06:02:59 AM »
What you are talking (I assume) is a slave solenoid. Using a Ford style puck relay. Correct?

The reasons are actuality two fold.

First and foremost, it provides battery voltage to the starter mounted solenoid on the GM starter,  if you think about it,  the power for the dash cones from the battery, which in 90% os the time is at the transom of the boat. So let's say, battery,  to terminal,  to terminal block,  to dash at ignition switch,  now downgrade the wire a few sizes and go from the starter, to the terminal block,  to the starter that has to pull the Bendix into type flywheel and pull in the contacts to spin the starter motor.

That's over 30' of wire and about 6 terminals. The voltage drop is crazy.

When you run the slave solenoid, all that wire has to do is pull in the easier solenoid, very low current draw.  This puts virtually full battery voltage to the GM solenoid, as a plus, if you use the "I" terminal on that solenoid to bump the coil voltage, everything gets a little boost.

I have tested it and have seen voltage drops to the starter to be as much as 6 volts. Meaning your trying to pull in the starter Bendix on half the rated voltage. This is twice the normal current.

This solenoid install will really reduce starter failures.

GT
So one like this shoukd work
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2015, 06:30:25 AM »
So one like this shoukd work
yes that's what I run
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2015, 06:30:44 AM »
Ill wait to say yes till the master chimes in..but ya thats what they look like!! Lol

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2015, 06:51:46 AM »
So one like this shoukd work

Those work ok. A little funky to mount.

Here's what I use, not saying right or wrong,  I just like the look.

http://www.iboats.com/OMC-Sterndrive-Cobra-Solenoids/dm/view_id.269439


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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2015, 06:53:52 AM »
Thanks guys appreciate it
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2015, 07:02:09 AM »
I run a solenoid on the back of the pass. side head, so the starter is not 'hot' except when starting. And its easier to switch starters, too. (454, BBC)
All my GM trucks have them too, for heat soak..

Dan'l

The only thing I switch with the slave is the "s" terminal on the start mounted solenoid. The battery cable still goes directly to the starter motor.

I run a 10 gauge wire through the contacts of the slave from battery right to the "S". The starter is then activated with the slave from the dash.

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2015, 09:21:08 AM »
So with the remote solenoid you are eliminating the fact that the starter mounted solenoid no longer uses power from the dash to push the bendix. It now uses power direct from the battery thriugh the remote solenoid to push the bendix. Is this correct? Because now it makes sense. The remote solenoid does less work. The starter mounted solenoid works easier due to less resistance of all that wiring. Nearly direct from battery. I'm sold. (sorry, just thinking out loud).
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2015, 10:21:17 AM »
The fog.....it's lifted.... :thumbup:
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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2015, 10:40:23 AM »
So with the remote solenoid you are eliminating the fact that the starter mounted solenoid no longer uses power from the dash to push the bendix. It now uses power direct from the battery thriugh the remote solenoid to push the bendix. Is this correct? Because now it makes sense. The remote solenoid does less work. The starter mounted solenoid works easier due to less resistance of all that wiring. Nearly direct from battery. I'm sold. (sorry, just thinking out loud).

Uh huh.

Well when you say it that way, it makes perfect sense. Lol

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Re: Starter relay ( solenoid )
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2015, 11:45:26 AM »
Here's a picture of my solenoid mounting locations

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