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Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« on: March 20, 2018, 09:49:20 AM »
My tach is reading incorrectly, based on the high RPMs that I'm seeing that don't line up with the impeller and horsepower curve.  My tach is showing 4800 RPM at full throttle but I'm running a heritage AA impeller with a 325HP BBC. 

So, where do I start?  Re-wiring?  Replace the tach? 
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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 01:18:12 PM »
My tach is reading incorrectly, based on the high RPMs that I'm seeing that don't line up with the impeller and horsepower curve.  My tach is showing 4800 RPM at full throttle but I'm running a heritage AA impeller with a 325HP BBC. 

So, where do I start?  Re-wiring?  Replace the tach?
Might be a tach issue but if not this may help you...

http://www.americanturbine.com/information/understand_jetboat.htm

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2018, 02:26:09 PM »
The basics...


What brand tach?

What type of ignition system?

How hacked is the wiring?

How well does it run?



Basics. Some early style tachometers need adapter modules to work with some ignition systems.

Many tachometers have a rotary style switch on the back to change from 4,6 and 8 cylinders. On rare occasions it can have a pole switch, this is for an outboard and they use the alternator to read RPM. Ensure the switch is on the 8 cylinder mode... The thing is, if it was set for 6 cylinder, 4,200 RPM would read about 5,500 RPM. However, 3,700 would put you in the right range. So if the engine is pulling an honest 3700 RPM, the tach would read 4800 and the speed you mentioned is totally plausible at that rpm....

Moving forward, that would put you in the low 200 HP range, I'm not convinced, but if your secondaries on the carburetor were plugged with crap or inoperative, again, quite plausible... What carburetor are we talking about? A list number would be the bomb....

The last tidbit before we start getting feedback would be have you checked the basics?

Compression test. (always a good idea to get a baseline BEFORE stuff blows up).

Ignition timing and operation of the mechanical advance (if so equipped) Does the distributor have a vacuum advance (shouldn't).

Throttle linkage, does it open the carburetor to 100%?

If you get some information back, there is a good chance the problem will be staring you in the face. Since we know your pump is solid, we can remove that from the equation...

In all honesty, I would have gone with an "A" cut impeller. With your HP, it's going to be tough to get where you need to be without another 75 or so HP...JMO.


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Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2018, 04:41:27 PM »
The basics...


What brand tach?

What type of ignition system?

How hacked is the wiring?

How well does it run?



Basics. Some early style tachometers need adapter modules to work with some ignition systems.

Many tachometers have a rotary style switch on the back to change from 4,6 and 8 cylinders. On rare occasions it can have a pole switch, this is for an outboard and they use the alternator to read RPM. Ensure the switch is on the 8 cylinder mode... The thing is, if it was set for 6 cylinder, 4,200 RPM would read about 5,500 RPM. However, 3,700 would put you in the right range. So if the engine is pulling an honest 3700 RPM, the tach would read 4800 and the speed you mentioned is totally plausible at that rpm....

Moving forward, that would put you in the low 200 HP range, I'm not convinced, but if your secondaries on the carburetor were plugged with crap or inoperative, again, quite plausible... What carburetor are we talking about? A list number would be the bomb....

The last tidbit before we start getting feedback would be have you checked the basics?

Compression test. (always a good idea to get a baseline BEFORE stuff blows up).

Ignition timing and operation of the mechanical advance (if so equipped) Does the distributor have a vacuum advance (shouldn't).

Throttle linkage, does it open the carburetor to 100%?

If you get some information back, there is a good chance the problem will be staring you in the face. Since we know your pump is solid, we can remove that from the equation...

In all honesty, I would have gone with an "A" cut impeller. With your HP, it's going to be tough to get where you need to be without another 75 or so HP...JMO.


GT
Here’s what I’m working with:

Sorry about all the carb pictures, not sure where the list # is.
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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 04:48:26 PM »
The basics...


What brand tach?

What type of ignition system?

How hacked is the wiring?

How well does it run?



Basics. Some early style tachometers need adapter modules to work with some ignition systems.

Many tachometers have a rotary style switch on the back to change from 4,6 and 8 cylinders. On rare occasions it can have a pole switch, this is for an outboard and they use the alternator to read RPM. Ensure the switch is on the 8 cylinder mode... The thing is, if it was set for 6 cylinder, 4,200 RPM would read about 5,500 RPM. However, 3,700 would put you in the right range. So if the engine is pulling an honest 3700 RPM, the tach would read 4800 and the speed you mentioned is totally plausible at that rpm....

Moving forward, that would put you in the low 200 HP range, I'm not convinced, but if your secondaries on the carburetor were plugged with crap or inoperative, again, quite plausible... What carburetor are we talking about? A list number would be the bomb....

The last tidbit before we start getting feedback would be have you checked the basics?

Compression test. (always a good idea to get a baseline BEFORE stuff blows up).

Ignition timing and operation of the mechanical advance (if so equipped) Does the distributor have a vacuum advance (shouldn't).

Throttle linkage, does it open the carburetor to 100%?

If you get some information back, there is a good chance the problem will be staring you in the face. Since we know your pump is solid, we can remove that from the equation...

In all honesty, I would have gone with an "A" cut impeller. With your HP, it's going to be tough to get where you need to be without another 75 or so HP...JMO.


GT

Wiring seems good to me. 

The secondaries on the carb are running well.  I can tell when I'm maxed out on the primaries, then if I give it full throttle, there's a second of delay, then I can hear the vacuum secondaries open and the acceleration really takes off. 

Haven't checked compression, but the boat is running strong and I don't notice any indications of loss of power.  Timing was checked last fall. 

Throttle is opening fully with the throttle linkage and pedal.  No concerns there. 

Let me know what you think after looking at the pictures. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 09:00:41 PM »
Wiring seems good to me. 

The secondaries on the carb are running well.  I can tell when I'm maxed out on the primaries, then if I give it full throttle, there's a second of delay, then I can hear the vacuum secondaries open and the acceleration really takes off. 

Haven't checked compression, but the boat is running strong and I don't notice any indications of loss of power.  Timing was checked last fall. 

Throttle is opening fully with the throttle linkage and pedal.  No concerns there. 

Let me know what you think after looking at the pictures.

Here’s what I’m working with:

Sorry about all the carb pictures, not sure where the list # is.

The list number for that carburetor is under the flame arrestor on the air horn of the choke.
I feel the tach is faulty, you can verify it with a cheapo dwell tach tool. Those Medallion tachometers were prone to vibration and had return spring issues. With that said, if your distributor is worn out and jumping around, it will read high and cause a high rpm running issue.

The vacuum advance SHOULD NOT be hooked to anything, if it is, disconnect the hose and plug or cap the port on the carburetor.

You say you set the timing, but you didn't say to what. Sorry, but I really need to know. Idle timing is completely worthless unless you know how much mechanical advance is built into the distributor (and that it actually works). You are going to want the timing at above 2,000 to be at around 34°BTDC

 On the carburetor, there are NUMEROUS things that need done to make a vacuum secondary carburetor work... Not difficult or expensive to do. With a list number I can get you stupid close from here in my kitchen...  ;D


To shorten up you having to go check everything, grab another tach (Portable test instrument or otherwise) and give it a quick water test.

I would bet an ice cold beer that the carburetor is set up incorrectly...And that the distributor is worn out. Very common issue. (loose shaft causing eronneous trigger problem).


Hope this points you in the right direction..

GT
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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2018, 11:02:59 PM »
The list number for that carburetor is under the flame arrestor on the air horn of the choke.
I feel the tach is faulty, you can verify it with a cheapo dwell tach tool. Those Medallion tachometers were prone to vibration and had return spring issues. With that said, if your distributor is worn out and jumping around, it will read high and cause a high rpm running issue.

The vacuum advance SHOULD NOT be hooked to anything, if it is, disconnect the hose and plug or cap the port on the carburetor.

You say you set the timing, but you didn't say to what. Sorry, but I really need to know. Idle timing is completely worthless unless you know how much mechanical advance is built into the distributor (and that it actually works). You are going to want the timing at above 2,000 to be at around 34°BTDC

 On the carburetor, there are NUMEROUS things that need done to make a vacuum secondary carburetor work... Not difficult or expensive to do. With a list number I can get you stupid close from here in my kitchen...  ;D


To shorten up you having to go check everything, grab another tach (Portable test instrument or otherwise) and give it a quick water test.

I would bet an ice cold beer that the carburetor is set up incorrectly...And that the distributor is worn out. Very common issue. (loose shaft causing eronneous trigger problem).


Hope this points you in the right direction..

GT

Thank you for all of the help.  Next time I go out I'm going to hook up another portable tach and use that to verify the correct numbers and then start running down the troubleshooting list you gave me. 

The Holley carb list number is 3310-2. 

I'll post pictures.   

Based on the diagrams I found online it looks like the vacuum advance is already plugged.  The distributor feels solidly attached, not sure how else to troubleshoot that thing. 



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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 09:12:14 AM »
On the picture if the back of the tach it looks like it is set to 3 and my guess is it should be set to 4. I'm sure GT can let us know but I would try that simple change before diving in further...

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2018, 09:16:21 AM »
No tach is set correctly 1 is 4 cylinder 2 is 6 and 3 is 8 4 is 10 pole setting


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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2018, 08:31:43 PM »
No tach is set correctly 1 is 4 cylinder 2 is 6 and 3 is 8 4 is 10 pole setting


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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2018, 11:55:42 PM »
Thank you for all of the help.  Next time I go out I'm going to hook up another portable tach and use that to verify the correct numbers and then start running down the troubleshooting list you gave me. 

The Holley carb list number is 3310-2. 

I'll post pictures.   

Based on the diagrams I found online it looks like the vacuum advance is already plugged.  The distributor feels solidly attached, not sure how else to troubleshoot that thing.


Take all these suggestions with a grain of salt... It's really difficult to troubleshoot something from a computer... But that don't mean we don't try like hell...LOL


There is a vacuum line on the carburetor base. Where does that go? I will assume to the distributor? Take that hose off and throw it in the trash.........


Those flame arrestors are a bit restrictive, may consider an upgrade down the road (likely works fine for what your doing right now). Just worth mentioning.

For that 3310 carburetor. The stock configuration is as follows.  List; 3310-2,   750CFM (Front main jet)72, (Rear metering)plate 134-21, (Power Valve) 6.5, (Series)4160

There are a couple things you can do to this carburetor to improve how well it works... One at a time, in order....

Main jets, I would bump it to a 74 jet...
Leave the metering alone, but drop the Power Valve down to a 4.5"
The secondary spring needs to be replaced to the lightest Yellow spring from Holley, this is under the cover on the secondary dashpot.

See if you can locate a 1"- four hole carburetor spacer that fits that carb, use the thin base gaskets...

It is imperative that the timing get dialed in, but it will be all for not if the distributor is worn or the vacuum is hooked up. To check for loosness, remove the cap/coil using the four spring loaded screws. inspect these parts as they come off. I can totally explain why the vacuum can't be hooked up if you wish...

Now grab the rotor and check for side to side movement or slop, there should be virtually none. Now rotate the rotor to the right and left, it should rotate in one direction springing back in one direction. it should move about 15° fairly freely (about 1/2hour if it was a clock). Again no hose on the small dashpot...


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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2018, 01:09:17 AM »

Take all these suggestions with a grain of salt... It's really difficult to troubleshoot something from a computer... But that don't mean we don't try like hell...LOL


There is a vacuum line on the carburetor base. Where does that go? I will assume to the distributor? Take that hose off and throw it in the trash.........


Those flame arrestors are a bit restrictive, may consider an upgrade down the road (likely works fine for what your doing right now). Just worth mentioning.

For that 3310 carburetor. The stock configuration is as follows.  List; 3310-2,750CFM (Front main jet)72, (Rear metering)plate 134-21, (Power Valve) 6.5, (Series)4160

There are a couple things you can do to this carburetor to improve how well it works... One at a time, in order....

Main jets, I would bump it to a 74 jet...
Leave the metering alone, but drop the Power Valve down to a 4.5"
The secondary spring needs to be replaced to the lightest Yellow spring from Holley, this is under the cover on the secondary dashpot.

See if you can locate a 1"- four hole carburetor spacer that fits that carb, use the thin base gaskets...

It is imperative that the timing get dialed in, but it will be all for not if the distributor is worn or the vacuum is hooked up. To check for loosness, remove the cap/coil using the four spring loaded screws. inspect these parts as they come off. I can totally explain why the vacuum can't be hooked up if you wish...

Now grab the rotor and check for side to side movement or slop, there should be virtually none. Now rotate the rotor to the right and left, it should rotate in one direction springing back in one direction. it should move about 15° fairly freely (about 1/2hour if it was a clock). Again no hose on the small dashpot...


GT


Ok, I’m playing catch-up reading through the recommendations and I’m starting to get a feel for how the carb works.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like your part recommendations are to get more fuel into the primaries, and the vacuum secondaries to open sooner with the softer spring.  Both make sense to me, but I wonder if I’ll get less engine efficiency and more fuel burn with that setup.  Just thinking out loud. 

I’m not understanding why disconnecting the vacuum line helps the situation.  If you don’t mind explaining it or explained it somewhere else I’d appreciate learning more about it. 


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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2018, 09:06:56 PM »

Ok, I’m playing catch-up reading through the recommendations and I’m starting to get a feel for how the carb works.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like your part recommendations are to get more fuel into the primaries, and the vacuum secondaries to open sooner with the softer spring.  Both make sense to me, but I wonder if I’ll get less engine efficiency and more fuel burn with that setup.  Just thinking out loud. 

I’m not understanding why disconnecting the vacuum line helps the situation.  If you don’t mind explaining it or explained it somewhere else I’d appreciate learning more about it. 


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I believe by taking the vacuum line off you'll be essentially locking the distributer advance.  that way when you time it at idle it'll be the same at wide open throttle...  don't quote me on that but i believe thats what it is..
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2018, 09:23:49 PM »

Ok, I’m playing catch-up reading through the recommendations and I’m starting to get a feel for how the carb works.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like your part recommendations are to get more fuel into the primaries, and the vacuum secondaries to open sooner with the softer spring.  Both make sense to me, but I wonder if I’ll get less engine efficiency and more fuel burn with that setup.  Just thinking out loud. 

Sorta Kinda...

By lowering the cut in point from a vacuum standpoint on the power valve, it will hold it out longer (actually improving the part throttle running) and stepping up the jet size will enrich the top end more, so when you change the secondary cut in it will be fatter... You just sort of need to trust me on this LOL... These are the reasons a mechanical secondary carburetor works so much better... But what you have will work quite well with the changes I have recommended.


I’m not understanding why disconnecting the vacuum line helps the situation.  If you don’t mind explaining it or explained it somewhere else I’d appreciate learning more about it. 


So the idea behind a vacuum advance is as such. NOTE: On a car...

While the engine is under a heavy load, there is no vacuum signal for the most part so the engine can "pull a gear" with slightly lower ignition timing, as the engine speed increases and the load decreases, the vacuum signal comes up and pulls in more timing pneumatically.. This promotes a little better fuel mileage and increases the rate of burn allowing more fuel to be used to generate horsepower and keeping the throttle response nice and crisp. If you put your foot back in the gas, the vacuum signal drops, taking out some timing to prevent preignition (knock).
Inside the distributor (speaking for your GM HEI), there are centrifugal weights and springs on an apparatus that increases the timing based on RPM. This is typically between 12 and 20 degrees from base. Really depends on application, the distributor from a motorhome is a little different than one from a Camaro. That said, let's use 20° as an example. So you set the initial advance at 10°BTDC, at over 2,500RPM the timing is going to be at 30°BTDC, not more, a good running 454 likes about 36°BTDC at anything over 3,000RPM. The vacuum advance won't pull in, rendering it virtually useless. The problems start when you have the engine set up to use the vacuum advance, it almost becomes a vacuum retard, because just about the time she really wants more timing, it starts falling off, making tuning a nightmare.



Now move on to a jet boat engine.

There is literally no engine load at lower RPM, whether the boat is moving or not. There is no need to reduce the ignition timing under acceleration because the torque required has a linear curve (meaning once the engine is out of torque increase, it stops accelerating...or... The torque continually increase with the speed it turns.). With the engine at wide open throttle, there is no vacuum signal, so it won't pull in anyway.... It will only work when it doesn't need to...

The best way to get it set up correctly would be figure out how much advance your distributor is set up for, use the lightest possible springs in an advance curve kit (  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G5212/  )and set the base timing at idle accordingly to get you to that 36° sweet spot (+/-). Eliminating the signal to the vacuum advance. You literally only need to reduce the ignition timing for starting. A jet can't pull a gear. It will easily rev right up to the point where there is no more torque available to continue accelerating....



 I certainly hope this helps. Let me know if you still have questions. And yes, this is why I asked you what method you used to time the engine... The original Chevy truck specifications will do you no good whatsoever.


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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2018, 09:26:52 PM »
I believe by taking the vacuum line off you'll be essentially locking the distributer advance.  that way when you time it at idle it'll be the same at wide open throttle...  don't quote me on that but i believe thats what it is..

You would be correct on a car, I'm talking about tossing the hose in the trash and plugging the port on the carburetor...

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 04:10:54 PM »
First thing you need to do is swap out that carb for a marine certified carb.  It is unsafe and illegal to run that.  That Holley 3310-2 is a great carb, but not worth burning up for.  I like the Marine Demons (now part of Holley) because of the fuel sights on the carb bowls and the built-in quick change secondary spring housing.  To cover a lean bog the previous advice is good.  I also include a 50cc accelerator pump and playing with different sized pump squirters to help cover the lean bog.  If you plan on playing with the carb you really need to get accustomed to reading spark plugs.  The proper set up will yield snappy acceleration with brownish plugs.  NGK copper plugs read the best, stainless not at all.  Readings must be taken by shutting down quickly after a full throttle run.  It is a fine dance between tuning jetting, power valve(s), accelerator pumps, secondary springs, float levels, initial and total timing, plug heat range, engine temp,  and fuel octane.   The goal is to run near the edge but backed-off enough to ensure longevity.  It is possible that the impeller clearance is too great causing increased rpm's or the and/or the tach reading is correct.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 04:50:03 PM »
First thing you need to do is swap out that carb for a marine certified carb.  It is unsafe and illegal to run that.  That Holley 3310-2 is a great carb, but not worth burning up for.

Not 100% true on an open engine boat. I like a marine carb if so equipped, but the only time it's non negotiable is on a closed engine dealio... JMHO

I like the Marine Demons (now part of Holley) because of the fuel sights on the carb bowls and the built-in quick change secondary spring housing.  To cover a lean bog the previous advice is good
Lean bog is typically due to retarded timing, not necessarily always fuel, the jet boat engine does not have to pull a gear, so there is no reason for a lean condition at the hit unless the tune is off, larger accelerator pumps are typically only needed for big HP..

I also include a 50cc accelerator pump and playing with different sized pump squirters to help cover the lean bog.  If you plan on playing with the carb you really need to get accustomed to reading spark plugs.  The proper set up will yield snappy acceleration with brownish plugs.


It's much, much deeper than that...


 
NGK copper plugs read the best, stainless not at all.  Readings must be taken by shutting down quickly after a full throttle run.  It is a fine dance between tuning jetting, power valve(s), accelerator pumps, secondary springs, float levels, initial and total timing, plug heat range, engine temp,  and fuel octane.
 

True enough. However you forgot fuel type and additives.


   
The goal is to run near the edge but backed-off enough to ensure longevity.  It is possible that the impeller clearance is too great causing increased rpm's or the and/or the tach reading is correct.
  The pump is brand new....... Literally.



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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2018, 07:46:33 PM »
First thing you need to do is swap out that carb for a marine certified carb.  It is unsafe and illegal to run that. 

Are you sure about that?  This boat has ran with this setup since the early 80s with no problems and nobody has ever said anything about it being illegal. 

Also, FYI, the pump is brand new.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2018, 07:55:30 PM »
Are you sure about that?  This boat has ran with this setup since the early 80s with no problems and nobody has ever said anything about it being illegal. 

Also, FYI, the pump is brand new.

You are fine if the engine compartment is not closed... Your distributor, alternator, fuel pump and starter are probably not "legal" either...

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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2018, 11:17:22 AM »
If the OP doesn't want to change the carb and keeps his engine cover, it might be a good idea, for safety reasons, to replace the bowl vent tubes with the correct marine tubes. This would help prevent filling the engine compartment with gas in case a float/needle and seat decides to stick.

I'm guessing that most of my engine is not marine legal as there aren't a lot of marine parts available for a Hemi, carbs are.

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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 11:19:49 AM »
If the OP doesn't want to change the carb and keeps his engine cover, it might be a good idea, for safety reasons, to replace the bowl vent tubes with the correct marine tubes. This would help prevent filling the engine compartment with gas in case a float/needle and seat decides to stick.

I'm guessing that most of my engine is not marine legal as there aren't a lot of marine parts available for a Hemi, carbs are.

Bob


I don’t have an engine cover, it’s an open engine. 


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Re: Tach reading high - where to start troubleshooting?
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2018, 01:11:09 PM »
If the OP doesn't want to change the carb and keeps his engine cover, it might be a good idea, for safety reasons, to replace the bowl vent tubes with the correct marine tubes.

If it were a closed engine compartment, he would have to replace the alternator, the starter, the fuel pump, the carburetor, the distributor, the fuel hoses (all) and the slave solenoid just to be even close to "safe" and "legal". Just information, I try to keep false information from getting spread like wildfire, not being critical, just keeping the information "above board"... Replacing the vent tubes, in no way makes a carburetor a legal SAE or USCG approved unit. There is more to it than that, even the carburetor baseplate is different....


This would help prevent filling the engine compartment with gas in case a float/needle and seat decides to stick.


Yet still not legal without an SAE identifier. FYI



I'm guessing that most of my engine is not marine legal as there aren't a lot of marine parts available for a Hemi, carbs are.

Bob

I would be willing to make a wager that there is not one engine component I cannot find in a marine approved version for any MOPAR. I used to be an inspection station for insurance and USCG certification for commercial watercraft. You would be shocked at the amount of approved equipment.

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