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What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« on: July 07, 2010, 04:11:13 PM »
My BBF is being rebuilt and I Was weighing my options on replacing the oil pan for a larger capacity . The one on there looks stock and is a rear sump . My problem is the motor mounts on my mini day . They have a brace that connects them going form stringer to stringer . This would stop me from using a marine sump . Any ideas or is a stock 6 quart sufficent . Its getting a mild build on the motor . Not a race motor . Thanks
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 06:04:39 PM »
larger oil pan (marine) would not hurt, but if your boat has been using that pan you have now for what? 30 years with no problem why change it now.
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 05:10:14 AM »
I have the same setup.I added a Moroso 1 1/2 quart oil accumulator with mine and works great in keeping the oil pressure and flow up. Actually adds extra oil without modifing pan. You can get one that will add 3 quart mre oil.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 04:15:14 AM by SS-201 »
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 03:43:56 AM »
We cut the cross brace off our mounts and placed a SS 1\8 inch steel plate across the bottom stringer to stringer.   It's 1' wide centered at the motor mounts.  It has never been touched. 
We put in an armondo's 10 quart pan after figuring  out the Milodon marine pan was causing
our oil pressure drop at about 4000 rpms.
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 10:21:44 PM »
We cut the cross brace off our mounts and placed a SS 1\8 inch steel plate across the bottom stringer to stringer.   It's 1' wide centered at the motor mounts.  It has never been touched. 
We put in an armondo's 10 quart pan after figuring  out the Milodon marine pan was causing
our oil pressure drop at about 4000 rpms.

This is like the 3rd person I've heard this from (Actually, 'lectro and I have a running arguement on this) on the Milodon pan. Granted, My experience has been one, so has 'Lectras, but mine worked, to 6500 rpm, and still works flawlessly. I think the wrong pickup is being used (on the wrong pump, in one case I know of) or attention not being paid to the close proximity of the dipstick to the hole for it at the front of the windage tray upon assembly. Hence false oil readings. Not gonna go into what happens when way too much oil is in the engine. Have to be REAL careful on the 460 to bend or form the oil stick tube to direct the stick to the very front of the engine with these, or the Armando, or Dooley, pans........ I have all three, trust me, it is a COMMON PROBLEM. Careful asembly, is all I can say. I installed my Milodon 3 times on the engine stand before I figured out what was going on with the diptick, among other things.

I cut the same center cross member out and used a piece of resined plywood to support the 1/4 stringers when I did it. worked fine. Once Moo is back together (Unrelated issue blew it up), it will be extremely similar and run as it did for the last almost 2 years.  Do NOT be afraid of the JBP or Milodon Pans!

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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 11:58:09 AM »
Dry sump, But $$$
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 04:13:19 PM »
This is like the 3rd person I've heard this from (Actually, 'lectro and I have a running arguement on this) on the Milodon pan. Granted, My experience has been one, so has 'Lectras, but mine worked, to 6500 rpm, and still works flawlessly. I think the wrong pickup is being used (on the wrong pump, in one case I know of) or attention not being paid to the close proximity of the dipstick to the hole for it at the front of the windage tray upon assembly. Hence false oil readings. Not gonna go into what happens when way too much oil is in the engine. Have to be REAL careful on the 460 to bend or form the oil stick tube to direct the stick to the very front of the engine with these, or the Armando, or Dooley, pans........ I have all three, trust me, it is a COMMON PROBLEM. Careful asembly, is all I can say. I installed my Milodon 3 times on the engine stand before I figured out what was going on with the diptick, among other things.

I cut the same center cross member out and used a piece of resined plywood to support the 1/4 stringers when I did it. worked fine. Once Moo is back together (Unrelated issue blew it up), it will be extremely similar and run as it did for the last almost 2 years.  Do NOT be afraid of the JBP or Milodon Pans!

Ray
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 04:21:25 PM »
I tried the milodon marine pan on my 460 and lost oil pressure above 3000 rpms. could not figure out why until i studied the design.
pan is deeper in front but has pickup in rear, my engine sits almost level. pan is designed for engine at a severe angle to keep oil in back. i went to a canton marine pan that is same depth front to back, has pickup in middle with baffles. i am running a high volume
pump and have not had any problems. oil pressure is 40 at idle and 65 to 70 off idle.
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 05:56:53 PM »
I tried the milodon marine pan on my 460 and lost oil pressure above 3000 rpms. could not figure out why until i studied the design.
pan is deeper in front but has pickup in rear, my engine sits almost level. pan is designed for engine at a severe angle to keep oil in back. i went to a canton marine pan that is same depth front to back, has pickup in middle with baffles. i am running a high volume
pump and have not had any problems. oil pressure is 40 at idle and 65 to 70 off idle.

Sounds like maybe you had a v-drive pan
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 06:16:26 AM »
Sounds like maybe you had a v-drive pan

I called milodon and they said it should have worked in my boat with flywheel aft but it did not. but i believe you are probably right.
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Re: What options do i have for a larger oil pan
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 10:57:58 AM »
This happend to me when I first got my boat bought a used 12 quart pan. endend up being for a v drive. v drive motors sit backwards. the pick up and windage tray on a v drine mounts at the front of the motor and a jet pan windage tray and pick up mount at the back of the motor. As soon as you step on it the oil sloshed to the rear of the boat where a jet pan , windage tray and oil pump are mounted. The v drive pan on the other haned is the oppisite when on a jet boat, when you step on it the oils sloshes away from the pick up = no oil pressuse while moving and normal pressure when stopped. Hope this helps!
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