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Probably the most obscure question and project......
« on: August 22, 2010, 10:27:49 PM »
Does anyone have any idea how to drive this Hilborn pump on a blown BBF? This originally was cam driven on a BBC, and yes, it needs to be timed  :screwy:  I got it in my lil brain kinda how I would do it, but I want to make sure I'm not missing the obvious here........ :banghead:







Maybe TJ is the go to guy on this. Not a "team" member so, hopefully this hits the right people anyway....... >:D

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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2010, 10:39:53 PM »
The on we ran used a cogged belt with a crank pulley to a remote mounted fuel pump. The belts were made by Jesel, but I don't know who made the brackets, I will call my bud tomorrow to find who built it, this was on a small Chevy and was a retired Sprint Car 410.

TJS could have it working in 20 minutes using two paper clips, a fender washer an empty Coors can and a TIG welder..... :screwy:

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 11:07:22 PM »
My dad has the memory of an elephant.... :thumbup:

C and S built it...   http://www.candsspecialties.com/store/html/pumpsparts.html

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 11:22:47 PM »
My dad has the memory of an elephant.... :thumbup:

C and S built it...   http://www.candsspecialties.com/store/html/pumpsparts.html

GT

Thanks Glenn, dropped them an e-mail!  :thumbup:  Dunno if they have a solution or not......Ron's thinks I've lost my mind.....not the first time, lol. We'll figure a way!!! Then Ron's gets to tune it! or so I told them......boy are THEY excited......... >:D

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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 11:43:29 AM »
there is a v drive front cover mount, on Ebay right now for $187.00, the pump should bolt to that with new holes drilled
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 12:22:08 PM »
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 06:04:24 PM »
Ray stop cleaning your parts in the living room ,thats what the kitchen is for   LOL ;D
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 07:09:14 PM »
there is a v drive front cover mount, on Ebay right now for $187.00, the pump should bolt to that with new holes drilled

this is the chit, just cost some coin  :banghead:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kaneofthenation/highflowdynamics/id2.html

Both are awesome ideas! I'm kinda roping Paul into this anyway. I think I'm it on the phone tag...... ;)

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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 08:16:51 PM »
I'll bet you could build a chevy on the difference in building a blown ford over chevy.
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 08:39:13 PM »
Does anyone have any idea how to drive this Hilborn pump on a blown BBF? This originally was cam driven on a BBC, and yes, it needs to be timed  :screwy:  I got it in my lil brain kinda how I would do it, but I want to make sure I'm not missing the obvious here........ :banghead:





Ray

That Hillborn pump is a "generic" mechanical cam-driven fuel pump, as is the fuel pump stand off. What I mean is that they may be fit to most any brand engine that you wish. Only the cover is BBC specific.

There are several BBF covers that will acommodate the cam-driven fuel pump; some are plug-and-play while others require mods.  THe HFD cover is the only cover that is specifically designed to acomodate a drag race style cam-driven fuel pump such as that one....but other brand covers can be made to acommodate one.

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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 08:47:46 PM »
I'll bet you could build a chevy on the difference in building a blown ford over chevy.

No Doubt you're right, Terry! But Moo has never been anywhere even close to normal in this, or any, group. You've all accepted her, and me, well, I think it's time to step it up a few notches and see what happens. I've called on Paul Kane to help make this happen, so we'll see.

All this was supposed to happen to the Pickle!! Short block (BBC) even built for it, but when I pulled the tanks for larger tanks, no way in hell would anything larger fit the boat, so custom tanks......... :screwy: Crazy expensive versus what I could do otherwise. Cost is ALWAYS on my mind, but sometimes price, cost, and value are three separate things.

Moo holds 28 gallons, vs Pickles 18, Moo handles rough water far better than Pickle, Pickle is running and running fine, Moo ain't, and Moo is already carved up far from original where Pickle sits as she did when made in '76. Hence my decision to embark on this, even though Moo is 1/4 stringer.

I was NOT going to do the BBC swap Nordie is doing to make this happen. It came with a Ford, I think we can make it STAY a Ford!  Besides, it adds to the uniqueness (Or blemishes, if you prefer), of this float! Think about it! It's a Ford, already on a lot of shit lists, is running a "POS" JE pump, that has already proven itself (And is having a few things done to it as well in all this), and it's paint? You were the one that made the quote "Who the hell would paint a boat like that" when you first saw it, LMAO!

We'll get it done!

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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 09:34:39 PM »
there is a v drive front cover mount, on Ebay right now for $187.00, the pump should bolt to that with new holes drilled
Ebay auction # 180548608886 is a Nicson v-drive front cover for a 460 Ford. It is like the Nicson 460 hjet boat front cover but has the cast-in front mounts....I have only seen two of those v-drive covers in my life.

I would think that the jet boat version of the Nicson cover is a better choice. Incidentally, the Nicson-style covers are set up to accomodate a Nicson or Neovane waterpump, not a Hillborn or Enderle fuel pump. However, our camshaft hex drives fit the Nicson covers like a glove.   8)



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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 09:37:48 PM »
I'll bet you could build a chevy on the difference in building a blown ford over chevy.
If you already have all the BBC parts in your arsenal then the cost might be less than compiling BBF parts from scratch.

If you are starting from scratch with either engines, then the "horsepower-per-dollars-spent ratio" goes to the BBF.

Times have changed.
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2010, 09:42:24 PM »
this is the chit, just cost some coin  :banghead:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kaneofthenation/highflowdynamics/id2.html
"Just some coin?"  Well....you are looking at drag racing parts, not pleasure boat parts. And as far as drag racing parts go, our front covers are extreeeeeeemly inexpensive for what you get in return.  8)  Further, please show me BBF front covers for equal or less price that offer the versatility that our cover does ("clockable" front cover plate for quick fuel routing changes, can accept fuel pump, water pump, no pump, for jet drive, for v-drive, mutliple water inlet routing, etc).   ;)  And BBC covers for that matter.

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Hey Brad, get this thread out of the Classifieds area and into the Engine section where it belongs.  ;D
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 09:51:01 AM »
"Just some coin?"  Well....you are looking at drag racing parts, not pleasure boat parts. And as far as drag racing parts go, our front covers are extreeeeeeemly inexpensive for what you get in return.  8)  Further, please show me BBF front covers for equal or less price that offer the versatility that our cover does ("clockable" front cover plate for quick fuel routing changes, can accept fuel pump, water pump, no pump, for jet drive, for v-drive, mutliple water inlet routing, etc).   ;)  And BBC covers for that matter.

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tell me how you really feel  :-\. just to clarify the "  :banghead: " wasn't slamming your price, it was for the fact i wanted the cover but don't have the cash for it.
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 09:21:26 PM »
LO
tell me how you really feel  :-\. just to clarify the "  :banghead: " wasn't slamming your price, it was for the fact i wanted the cover but don't have the cash for it.
75Fantasy, I only meant to clarify/put into perspective that our prices are a great value in their intended appication(s) and compared to the other brand offerings, and I tried to do so in a neutral manner.  And so I was speaking in very general terms; my intention was not to attack you and I didn't realize you were referring to your own current finanaical situation.  Sorry if it sounded differently; sometimes the way things are written might read differently than how they are intended by the person writing.  :)
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2010, 08:05:04 AM »
Ray , like Paul said the pump doesn't care what its on (BBC, BBF, Mopar etc)the BBF cover deal can be made by boring a hole thru the OE timing cover and creating/fabbing  a combination cover and mounting plate not unlike a V-drive water pump , probably have one of these in the beer truck (used) if you need I admit I read down the middle so I might have missed something ? Tom

The blower belt extensions are generic as well .. drives rods can actually be created from hex stock
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Re: Probably the most obscure question and project......
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 04:54:55 PM »
75Fantasy, I only meant to clarify/put into perspective that our prices are a great value in their intended appication(s) and compared to the other brand offerings, and I tried to do so in a neutral manner.  And so I was speaking in very general terms; my intention was not to attack you and I didn't realize you were referring to your own current finanaical situation.  Sorry if it sounded differently; sometimes the way things are written might read differently than how they are intended by the person writing.  :)

no harm no foul :thumbup:
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