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desrtrat256

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Race Fuel
« on: May 03, 2009, 03:38:57 PM »
Ive started a new company. Callen Petroleum Products is now offering great deals on VP and F&L race fuels.
Mostly in San Diego county but will deliver to races or events if needed. I will also deliver to the circle track race at the end of june in Berley Idaho. Ill work socal guys a good deal so let me know what you need.

VP FUELS

ALL PRICES ARE SUGGESTED RETAIL. SINCE IM JUST GETTING STARTED AND WANT YOUR BUSINESS I WILL WORK A LITTLE ON THE PRICE. ALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE PER GALLON.



                                55 gallon             30 gallon            5 gallon
 VP110                           $7.600                       $10.423                    $41.65

VP113                            $10.40                          N/A                        $57.48

C10                                $11.94                           N/A                       $63.90

C12                                $10.11                       $10.92                      $56.35

C14                                $12.02                         N/A                         $63.13

C16                                $12.42                         N/A                         $64.93
 
VP Q16                          $13.37                         N/A                         $64.93

VP RED                         $10.15                          N/A                         $54.68

VP U4.2                         $12.12                          N/A                         $61.68

VP MS103                     $11.58                          N/A                          $57.65

VP MS 109                    $11.02                          N/A                          $58.70

VP METHANOL             $7.361                         N/A                           $39.23

Additional Information:
•Minimum order quantity for a (Packaged) Delivery is (1) 54-Gallon Drum or
11 Pails.
•$20.00 Refundable Drum Deposit on 54/55-Gallon Drums.
•For deposit refund, drums must be “California” empty, have both bungs in
place and be reconditionable, without trust or large dents.
•Deliveries of less than the minimum order are assessed $60 delivery charge
during our regular business hours of (M-F 8am-5pm). After the hours of
(5pm-8am), weekends and holidays the delivery charge is $88.
•$12.00 plastic siphon pumps.
•Prices are subject to change without notice due to market fluctuations.





F&L FUELS

ALL PRICES ARE SUGGESTED RETAIL. SINCE IM JUST GETTING STARTED AND WANT YOUR BUSINESS I WILL WORK A LITTLE ON THE PRICE. ALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE PER GALLON.



                            55 gallon             30 gallon            5 gallon

SP-1 (111 OCTANE)   $7.01                               $8.59                          $38.70

SP-3 (113 OCTANE)      $8.02                            $9.603                         $43.76

SP-4 (115 OCTANE)      $9.00                              N/A                           $51.07

S/T (118 OCTANE)         $10.27                          $11.88                       $57.52

100 UNLEADED             $8.68                             $10.27                       $49.44

105 UNLEADED             $11.46                           $13.08                       $63.49

F&L METHANOL           $4.490                           $6.49                          $27.20

Additional Information:
•$10.00 Plastic siphon pumps.
•Pricing on Unleaded products includes FET.
•** Methanol pricing can change without further notice. **
•Prices are subject to change without notice due to market fluctuations .
« Last Edit: May 03, 2009, 08:50:05 PM by desrtrat256 »
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2009, 05:46:18 PM »
How much per gallon for 110 f&l?
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2009, 06:02:23 PM »
How much per gallon for 110 vp or f&l?
Also vp100?
and for a drum?????
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 06:09:52 PM »
How much per gallon for 110 vp or f&l?
Also vp100?
and for a drum?????

Prices are as o 4-27-09

F&L SP-1 (111 octane)retails for $7.o1 per gallon in a 55 gallon drum.

VP110 (108 octane) retails for $7.60 per gallon in 55 gallon drums

The more you buy the cheaper I can get it to you and those are retail prices ill knock x amount off per gallon for socal members. amount depends on gallons ordered and how quick you need it that why I left it blank.
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2009, 07:09:50 PM »
so No vp 100 which is now VP MARINE..price? (97 to 100oct)
vp red price?(105oct)
c44 price?(99oct)
MOTORSPORT 105L price? (101oct)


I'm just looking for the cheapest fuel out there......(98 to 108 oct)


I can go burn 2 drums in a three day weekend. To much money$$$$$$$$
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2009, 08:08:43 PM »
i got a barrel of 110 in my garage that was purchased in late october....how long can it sit before it starts to go bad?
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2009, 08:11:28 PM »
I didnt post those cuz (A) they werent on my price list from VP and (B) alot of guys buy the SP-1 and mix it with premium pump gas. Thats right around 100 octane. If you I want I can get those prices for you but the F&L SP-1 will still probably beat them in price and its a better fuel. 111 octane and very consisant burn. If you go through 2-3 55 gallon drums a weekend ill make sure to take care of you.
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 08:13:35 PM »
What about Diesel Red/Off road?
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desrtrat256

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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 08:14:45 PM »
i got a barrel of 110 in my garage that was purchased in late october....how long can it sit before it starts to go bad?

What I have been told and learned is if it is in the drum sealed (unopened) it will hold the octane for 1 year. if it has been opened but seal tight it has a 6-8 month shelf life.

Brad let me know about Idaho and Ill hook you up for fuel. Im going to get all the c/j guys a smokin deal for the race and try and deliver it up there for them
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2009, 08:15:37 PM »
What about Diesel Red/Off road?

For my "tractor" of course. ;D
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2009, 08:15:49 PM »
What about Diesel Red/Off road?

You can get that at soco or pacific pride, I dont carry red die!  ;D
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2009, 08:16:53 PM »
Well you got me, I didnt even know they made that. I will call them tomorrow and get pricing for you.

Its a non taxed diesel for off road use only.  Its dyed red.
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2009, 08:18:54 PM »
Its a non taxed diesel for off road use only.  Its dyed red.

damn you cought it before I could change it. I was in the middle of 3 emails and a phone call. you got me  :banghead:
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2009, 08:24:34 PM »
Damn, was hoping to get the SCJB discount on the Red Diesel. Know someone who goes through ALOT on a regular bases, Off Road only of course  ;)
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2009, 08:45:41 PM »
If you dont open it, how's it gonna go bad?
I'd give it a year in a sealed container.
I dont make the shit either.

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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2009, 08:58:07 PM »
If you dont open it, how's it gonna go bad?
I'd give it a year in a sealed container.
I dont make the shit either.

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If you dont open milk and leave it in the fridge does it go bad? thats right smart guy shhhhhh  ;D haha
Its what Ive been told and learned trough years of racing.
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2009, 09:11:43 PM »
when my dad bought vp for his drag car they told him that it has a 6 month shelf life! also i think they said something about where the drum sat...like ground wise different surfaces could allow for different circumstances...one way i see fit is a have a clear motorcycle tank on my dirtbike...the gas in the tank actually stains the graphics and take on the outside explain that! if it even makes sense.... fuel is a wierd dealio! but im sure alot of you knew that!
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2009, 09:46:50 PM »
i got a barrel of 110 in my garage that was purchased in late october....how long can it sit before it starts to go bad?

Brad, I grew up in oil country, and did service work at both Pennzoil and Quaker States national HQ when they were both in Oil City, Pennsylvania (They've both since left to Texas, but back then, they were literally less than a block from each other).Learned a lot from those guys. Both main refineries were there in Reno, Pa and Emlenton, PA.

Here's the deal on octane, as I understand it from the chemical engineers at both companies. The higher the octane, the LESS pure the fuel is, and hence more resistant to detonation, because of the waxes and other stuff in there. The reason high octane (or premium) fuel is more expensive is because the oil companies get less by product per barrel they can also sell, like the parafine wax, etc. HIgh octane fuels have long had the stigma of being "More purified" or "hopped up", and that is simply not the case. Your regular, or 86-88 octane fuel is actually far more purified than the premium 91 stuff.

So, IMHO, to spend $5 a gallon or (gasp) $7 a gallon for the stuff is rediculous. Why is Diesel (FAR less purified than 108 octane racing gas) more expensive than premium at the gas station? 100 or more octane gasoline should REALISTICALLY cost somewhere between premium pump gas and pump diesel, as that is truly all it really is. Nascar and NHRA must be outta their minds to be supporting this.

As far as how long you can keep it, indefinately, if fully sealed in the drum, just shake the shit out of it before you use it if it sits for a long time. (How long do they store it in the "reserves"??? What's stored in the national reserves is purified fuel, not crude, as most think.

And you guys now know where the Billion dollar oil conpany executive bonus money comes from.

Ray

Sorry to thread jack you on your fuel sale, this has nothing at all to do with what your costs are, really.
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desrtrat256

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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2009, 10:10:37 PM »
Theres some good info in there. If the contrainer is truely sealed (0 air, in a vacuum) I could see how that would be the case. however, how I read and understand that the fuel airates and the adams start to seperate and do different things becouse of the o2.

As far as price, Is there more production process in 91 and higher then there is in 86? I would think you are paying for the production and the lab time to make it correct. in other words, it takes more effort to produce  1 gallon of 91 and higher then 86 or diesel correct?
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 10:15:11 PM »
Brad, I grew up in oil country, and did service work at both Pennzoil and Quaker States national HQ when they were both in Oil City, Pennsylvania (They've both since left to Texas, but back then, they were literally less than a block from each other).Learned a lot from those guys. Both main refineries were there in Reno, Pa and Emlenton, PA.

Here's the deal on octane, as I understand it from the chemical engineers at both companies. The higher the octane, the LESS pure the fuel is, and hence more resistant to detonation, because of the waxes and other stuff in there. The reason high octane (or premium) fuel is more expensive is because the oil companies get less by product per barrel they can also sell, like the parafine wax, etc. HIgh octane fuels have long had the stigma of being "More purified" or "hopped up", and that is simply not the case. Your regular, or 86-88 octane fuel is actually far more purified than the premium 91 stuff.

So, IMHO, to spend $5 a gallon or (gasp) $7 a gallon for the stuff is rediculous. Why is Diesel (FAR less purified than 108 octane racing gas) more expensive than premium at the gas station? 100 or more octane gasoline should REALISTICALLY cost somewhere between premium pump gas and pump diesel, as that is truly all it really is. Nascar and NHRA must be outta their minds to be supporting this.

As far as how long you can keep it, indefinately, if fully sealed in the drum, just shake the shit out of it before you use it if it sits for a long time. (How long do they store it in the "reserves"??? What's stored in the national reserves is purified fuel, not crude, as most think.

And you guys now know where the Billion dollar oil conpany executive bonus money comes from.

Ray

Sorry to thread jack you on your fuel sale, this has nothing at all to do with what your costs are, really.

X2, Sealed container stored off the floor to keep the bottom from rusting out and you're golden for several years, I used to buy the 16 gal. race fuel cans from Union 76 that were what they called "old stock" for pennies on the dollar, no way you could tell the difference IMHO...

I recently drained 65 gallons of gas out of that Cobalt I gave away and burned it all in my motorhome without a hitch, the boat sat at a storage yard since 2002 and never left, that made that stuff 7 years old, still smelled and tasted like gas    :P

Theres some good info in there. If the contrainer is truely sealed (0 air, in a vacuum) I could see how that would be the case. however, how I read and understand that the fuel airates and the adams start to seperate and do different things becouse of the o2.

As far as price, Is there more production process in 91 and higher then there is in 86? I would think you are paying for the production and the lab time to make it correct. in other words, it takes more effort to produce  1 gallon of 91 and higher then 86 or diesel correct?

The vacuum part is untrue, its the moisture you must keep out and the vapors you must keep in...the pressure will fluctuate with the temperature...

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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2009, 10:33:52 PM »
Theres some good info in there. If the contrainer is truely sealed (0 air, in a vacuum) I could see how that would be the case. however, how I read and understand that the fuel airates and the adams start to seperate and do different things becouse of the o2.

As far as price, Is there more production process in 91 and higher then there is in 86? I would think you are paying for the production and the lab time to make it correct. in other words, it takes more effort to produce  1 gallon of 91 and higher then 86 or diesel correct?

Good assumption, and normal, but nope. 

The reason is oil companies make MORE from the by products and lubricants than they do from gasoline. I shoulda made that clearer. Gasoline is a "Loss Leader", those of you with retail bacground know what that is.

So, hence, the more they can pull out of a barrel of oil as by products, the more profit they can make. Anyone remember the days when Premium was 98 octane? Even when unleaded became the norm?

The truth is, it takes far LESS effort and refining to make 91 octane than say 86 ( if I remember right, like 14 more steps to make regular over premium). BUT, what they make off what they get outta the difference is VERY profitable. Think of it this way. Ever hear the Candle companies or Johnson Wax Bitch when crude prices go through the roof? No. The Oil companies NEVER pass on their costs to them, and if they do, it ain't much.  Anyone every hear of a can of Pledge doubling or tripling in price to say $10 overnight when the Saudis decide they need a new mercedes fleet? Nope.

No. We pay at the pump so big companies do not have to charge other big companies to pay more for their by products.

When we complain about gas prices, look at the profits they are making. We don't underdstand that we are covering the increased oil proices for big companies that  profit most from the by product materials the big oil companies produce. They rarely pay a penny more than  they have for years for their stuff!

As far as gasoline and octane is concerned, think of it like backward wire guages, less is more refining, and more is less.

Ray

Man this thread has taken a political and economics educational twist, lol Sorry!!!! Talk about a jack!
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2009, 10:52:28 PM »
Its not really a jack when the guy that started it is in on the conversation. I now understand. I always got the business side to companies. I was just under the impression that the higher the octane, the more chemicals are invaolved, the more chemistry is involved, the more processing is involved, the higher the cost. So back to the topic at hand

WHO WANTS TO BUY SOME FUEL?
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2009, 11:03:08 PM »
Yes, buy some fuel! Your price is good and fair, great actually in drum size! if I'da built my engine to require it, you'd be sending a truck tio Casa Grande, lol.  I paid $8.50 a gallon at the dragstrip here a few weeks ago!

So good, smoking deal guys, really, despite the oil company robbery, but when they got you by the balls, oh well.

Ray
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Re: Race Fuel
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2009, 11:16:31 PM »
Im hopin to be out that way soon. I know AZ is in need of some competition in the fuel market out there so as soon as San Diego County is up and running I will be venturing to the greater Phoenix area
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2009, 11:27:42 PM »
Look me up when you do, My Sport Fury craves the stuff! Check PM's

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