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the reacuring CRACK
« on: July 30, 2007, 03:06:11 PM »
 Well I'm trying to decide what to do with this boat now, the motor is a fresh 30 over 460 that runs great, as you can see the pump is a yj Jacuzzi that works ok. The problem is that dam crack, a friend fixed it once when the boat was painted about 3 yrs ago and its back! :( Its about 4 inches long and in front of the right side stringer under the floor, so getting to the inside will be a bitch! There are no visable cracks around the stringer or the floor and they feel solid. So what should my plan be to fix this? I believe the area between the floor and the bottom of the hull is filled with foam, I know the area under the bow is becauce I had to cut some out just to fit some skies under there.



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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 03:27:33 PM »
i'm no proffesinal (spelling) but if you didnt glass inside and out that's why it keeps coming back. did your friend grind out the bad area? did you see my thread on how i fixed the crack in my boat
http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php/topic,1277.0.html
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 04:43:41 PM »
I dont know what he did to fix it the first time. And yes I saw your thread, nice job . So you think I should cut out the whole floor and the foam to get to the inside this time? Or just grind out a bigger area and start glassing? I'm thinking maybe the foam under there has rotted or compresed, and now there is nothing supporting that part of the hull, if that makes any sence. You can see the bottom curve up just in front of the crack now. :o Maybe it needs full stringers ? Or is it just to old and fu@#ed up to save ?  :-\

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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2007, 05:10:05 PM »
i think it needs to be reinforced from the inside
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 07:02:17 PM »
you have to do it inside and out in order to fix it correctly. all you are doing is a patch job. and in its location it is takeing a beating. you dont have to cut up the entire floor just an access area to get to the spot where the work needs to be done. then patch the floor and you are done. it is the only way to fix the hull. it sucks but just get it done right. you have a nice boat
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 08:07:39 PM »
I say mash the gas and keep that part dry......
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2007, 09:11:09 PM »
 Thanks guys, I guess I'll start by cutting a 12x12 piece out of the floor and see what I can see under there. Does that sound like agood plan?
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2007, 09:30:19 PM »
Gotta get at it from both sides . Sounds good and there is plenty of help.

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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2007, 05:12:12 PM »
ya you dont need a lot of room. just enough to get the glass down there. the inside of the hull does not need to  be as pretty as the bottem since the floor is going back on top of it. just make sure you take your time and do a good job. you dont want to have to do this again.
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2007, 09:07:18 PM »
-----UPDATE-----

MOTHER FU**** THIS SUCKS !!!!
 Ok I feel better now.
 I pulled up the carpet tonight and saw this! :o

So, now I know the floor is NOT ok ! I go get the Skill saw  :o (never a good thing!)and start cutting the floor, and ripping it up. OH MY GOD, the smell that came out from under there could have killed a lesser man ! ;) Anyway the crack is not visible from the inside, but I know its there, I can pry on the floor and see it flex right in front of the stringer. And everything under there is rotten ,there is a center stringer that had NO glass on it (rotten) , the front of the bildge area also had no glass on the inside (rotten), the foam feels like a sponge and is soaked with somekind of liquid (its not just water!!)




SO, I'm thinking the stringers must be rotten to. I think the next step will be to remove the whole floor so I can get all that rotten foam and the center stringer out of there, than put full length stringers in there.
Any other ideas would be greatly Appreciated !!
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 11:35:27 PM »
I replaced the entire floor on my Miller and it was a lot easier than I thought it would be. I wish I would have known that, or at least tried, with my Hawiian. Take the entire floor out, putting in a whole new floor will be easier than patching the old floor. I think I would try to make the crack bigger with a grinder (just like Ralph did with his repair) that way the outside and inside repair's bond to each other. If it's possible you may want to "fray" the edge up of the old fiberglass - I'm not sure on that idea maybe someone will chime in on that idea with some constructive feedback. Might be a good idea as it would make the repair more of a part of the existing fiberglass.
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2007, 01:19:11 AM »
 After thinking about this for awhile (also never a good thing) I think I have a plan! Because tha crack is right at the front of the stringer it will be verry hard to fix it properly with the stringer still there. So, the plan is to remove all 3 stringers and the whole floor. Fix the crack the right way. make longer stringers to help support the hull in that area, maybe full length, or as far forward as I can get them to go. My old stringers are 2x6 but the floor is/was only 3 or 4 inches above the hull, So, get some 2x6 and notch the front section down to 3 or 4 inches to fit under the new floor.
My questions are.
1  What kind of wood for the stringers?
2  Will I still need the center stringer?
3  Can I use the regular foam in a spray can from Home Depot for under the floor?
4  Should I use fiberglass mat or weave to bond the new stringers?
 I know this is alot of work for an old p.o.s. boat, but it is good practice for the Eliminator this winter. ;D The stingers in the Eliminator / Delaminator are 3/4 inch plywood 2 inches high !!  :o  No good for the big block.  ;D ;D
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2007, 07:57:33 AM »
You don't need foam in there. Also, I have tried to use that foam stuff in other types of vehicles and sooner or later it makes this very annoying squeking sound, the sound of two pieces of foam sliding together, eventually. However, My Rogers entire bow has that foam in it so....  ???  I know that when the stringers are replaced they have to be clamped in... I believe that Ultra Boats charges $800 for 1/4 stringer replacement and $1,000 for full stringer replacement (both stringers).
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2007, 12:55:31 AM »
 Not much new to report . I raised the front of the trailer about 3 ft to get all the water to drain out of what's left of the foam. I removed all the spongey/rotted foam and plywood (about half of the floor) . Now just waiting for things to dry out. The stringers are still solid, ;D the damage is just to the area under the floor from all that water being traped under there, there had to be 15 gal of water under there! :o  Sunday I will start grinding the crack.

Any ideas on how to add some support to that area? The crack is directly under the front wall of the bildge area and about 4 in inside the stringer.
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2007, 02:02:37 AM »
Just follow Ralph's repairs... grind the inside and outside, lay your fiberglass on the outside and inside at the same time.. make a hole and make it wide...  ;)
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2007, 06:55:34 PM »
 Here are some pics of my progress so far, while grinding I found more than just one crack, more like 3  :(  but thay are gone now !! I just laid the glass on the inside and I'm about to climb under there to do the bottom now, I could not do both sides at one time, I had to block the hole with some cardboard to keep it from falling through. so now that it has started to get solid I can grind the bottom and glass it under there




And by the way I think I found the cause of the problem !!
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2007, 08:12:08 PM »
???????????????????.........nice work BTW
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2007, 08:40:17 PM »
 Thank you HdriderTH.

I got the bottom done, It got a little dark on me but here are a couple pics.

btw, if you guys see me doing anything stupid please speak up!! I won't get offended.


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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 12:39:42 AM »
 Here are some pics of my progres, almost done !! ;D ;D  Picked up some parts from Tom at Jet Boat Performance today ( Realy nice guy !!! ) so now I just need to bolt it back together.

here are some braces I put under the floor to suport the area where the crack was



the new floor section



new 2/6s on the trailer



carpet glued back down and bildge area painted



now all to do is get the poor old dusty motor back in and remount the seats



Thanks again Tom for takeing so much time today to show and explain things to me !! ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 08:09:58 AM »
Looks great!
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 08:17:27 AM »
nice work, is looking great :)
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Re: the reacuring CRACK
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2007, 08:19:07 AM »
WOW dude, you have done alot of work to it, and its looking really good.  Most people i know would just sell it for cheap.  Got to give you credit man nice phucking job bro ;D


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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2007, 08:45:39 AM »
...  Most people i know would just sell it for cheap...
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2007, 09:00:09 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 11:07:51 PM »
 I'm getting close now !!  Just in time for Winter  :(  or the Nostalgia Jet races in Bakersfield next month !  :o  Brad do thay have a class with a 50mph speed limit ?  ::)  I want to kill some ducks too.  ;D ;D



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