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Blue2184

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eliminator bubble deck speed??
« on: June 09, 2013, 01:38:48 PM »
guys i have a 18 foot eliminator bubble deck that i baught from tom at jbp. it has a 496 bbc thats about a 10.5-1 motor,about 525hp the pump was redone by ars marine and added the larger bowl to the berk pump witch i also got from tom,it has a droop and a manuel diverter. i am running 72mph on gps, what can i do to pick up any more mph? would love to crack the 75mph mark? i am turnning 5000 maybe 5100 rpms? the pump also has a stuffer and a inducer, im pretty sure the hull was a original ss hull? as it came from the factory with over the tradnsome headers? its a 1976 boat? any tips any help would be great? im running a rpm air gap intake with a quick fuel 850 carb.also has pro comp alum heads. the baot does have a loader but dont know what it is? it was on the boat when i got it from tom? i will help with any info i can! pics info what ever you guys need to try to help me break the 75mph mark?? lol its only 3mph more that i want to get?

thanks for the help all
jason
« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 05:35:30 PM by Blue2184 »
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HardLuck Baker

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 01:50:41 PM »
It's all based on which impeller it has. If I remember right the A impeller peaks at 5,200 rpm. You may need to go to a stainless impeller
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 02:01:25 PM »
Jet boat performance has a good chart on it. Tried to upload it, but not sure how to do that yet.
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Nmiller02

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 02:31:27 PM »
Wow... I'm running 70 mph on GPS with 78' challenger with a 460 not much done do it. Holley dominator 1050,OT twisties, and good pump. All stock motor otherwise.

Gotta have more in that thing man !


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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 02:34:04 PM »
That was 3 guys full tanks and a ice chest ! Every little bit hurts !
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SoCalPSD

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 02:34:40 PM »
Pull the droop off and give it a shot
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 02:44:08 PM »
How bout a pic of it running.
My Saguaro ran 74 with a Clay Smith cam and cleaned up 049 heads on a 454.

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i dont but im all for stuffin shit in her ass to make her go away :-*

Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 03:00:22 PM »
ill see if i can get a pic of it running, and pretty sure it still has a alum impeller? are thses hulls pretty good for speed? maybe a shoe/ride plate? i know the dominator style bowl we put on the pump is already taped for the ride plate,cause when i first put it on i put it on upside down thinking it was fro the grease fittings..oops and if i remember rite it was like a 8 vaine bowl?
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 03:27:17 PM »
A shoe and a ride plate would free that thing up a bunch. how far down are the loader ramps hanging below the keel? cutting the ramps to keel or above will help too. jmo
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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 05:37:07 PM »
i posted a couple pics of the loader,sorry for thw quality that damn trailer is right on the ground!!
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Just Electric

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 08:46:05 PM »
Looks like the loader is a little deep I'd put a straight edge and see how far your biting edge is. Thrust angle pin angle nozzle angle numbers would help to
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 09:14:19 PM »
A shoe and a ride plate would free that thing up a bunch. how far down are the loader ramps hanging below the keel? cutting the ramps to keel or above will help too. jmo
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Looks like the loader is a little deep I'd put a straight edge and see how far your biting edge is. Thrust angle pin angle nozzle angle numbers would help to

Agreed, check the loader.  It looks like it's hanging low.   :thumbdown:
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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2013, 04:54:48 AM »
when i get home today i will put a straight edge across it and get a measurement! just electric how do i check the thrust angle and the pin angle?

thanks again for all the help
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2013, 06:23:50 AM »
also does it matter if i still wave the bowl on upside down? i wouldnt think so? but just a thought? the mounting holes that were for the ride plate witch i thought were the grease fittings are still on the top?
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2013, 07:26:59 AM »
It's all based on which impeller it has. If I remember right the A impeller peaks at 5,200 rpm. You may need to go to a stainless impeller

This is not true. I spun my stainless "A" to 6000 RPMs all day long.

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2013, 08:07:25 AM »
also does it matter if i still wave the bowl on upside down? i wouldnt think so? but just a thought? the mounting holes that were for the ride plate witch i thought were the grease fittings are still on the top?

Well if its upside down how do you put oil in the bowel? I'd spin it around the right way

This is not true. I spun my stainless "A" to 6000 RPMs all day long.

Only problem with this statement is you forgot to include your boat was bad@ss and had a beast of a motor
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2013, 08:29:15 AM »
Of course a stainless impeller will go up 6,000. An aluminum impeller, not so much.
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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2013, 12:21:06 PM »
i was told by tom at jbp that the bowl was water lubricated? what would it take to switch to a stainless impeller? other than $$$
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2013, 02:57:05 PM »
The aluminum impellers are NOT limited by rpm, but rather HPabsorbed. You don't have enough information in any posts to tell you what needs to be done other than to kick your buddies out of the boat.

Jet boats live and die from weight and weight distribution.

Anything past around 500 HP and I say lose the aluminum impeller.

A shoe and a rideplate may or may not help, but at the same time, if done right, won't hurt either.

You should have enough HP to make the droop work for you, as long as you can fly the bow I say run it.

JMHO

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2013, 04:17:51 PM »
here is some more pics of the loader..

thanks for the help!!
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TJS Nordic

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2013, 04:31:33 AM »
The aluminum impellers are NOT limited by rpm, but rather HPabsorbed. You don't have enough information in any posts to tell you what needs to be done other than to kick your buddies out of the boat.

Jet boats live and die from weight and weight distribution.

Anything past around 500 HP and I say lose the aluminum impeller.

A shoe and a rideplate may or may not help, but at the same time, if done right, won't hurt either.

You should have enough HP to make the droop work for you, as long as you can fly the bow I say run it.

JMHO

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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2013, 12:13:58 PM »
i can fly the nose of the boat but right at about top speed i do get some bounce in the boat? i do have a three degree up wedge on the pump as well?
  and when running the boat trying to check mph its just me with one tank half full..the baot feels like a race car! you get 3 or 4 people in it and you can really tell a diference! just didnt know if a impeller or something else would help me gain a little more mph? my buddy has a taylor with more weight than my boat with a wore out pump and a 505 bbc about the same horse power and he can stay right with me? dont know i guess just thinking spending 3k on a pump it would run a little faster? again ant input is appreciated!!

thanks
jason
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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2013, 12:15:03 PM »
and in the next day or so will see if i can get a pic or a video of the boat running?

thanks guys
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Blue2184

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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2013, 05:10:43 AM »
does anybody recognize or know what hull this is?or if it would be good for speed?might have a chance of getting my hands on it?

thanks
jason
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Re: eliminator bubble deck speed??
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2013, 06:41:16 AM »
Looks like a southwind tunnel hull and yes that's a fast hull

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