Lite lay up?

« **on:** August 18, 2016, 04:53:46 PM »

Just curious to see what some of the experts think about them. Are they practical for recreation use or are they simply something that should only be ran early in the morning and late in the evening and treated as a "drag" boat? Thanks in advance

« **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2016, 05:11:52 PM »

Depends on how light, how things were braced and hull design.

We ran a 19' Renegade Drag hull, 370lb balsa core bottom boat for several years for recreational use, some stress cracks once on a while, but ran it pretty hard for about five years.

Got literally all the kids up on skis and pulled a mean tube.

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« **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2016, 05:36:55 PM »

I have one. Just pick and chose where you go and you will be fine.

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« **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2016, 06:12:31 PM »

A real light layup boat is like a potato chip. Morning and pm in my opinion. I thought my boat was light until I came across my buddies 18 he bought. Super thin deck. Will be fast as shit though. If the sides and deck don't flex with light pressure from your hand it's probably more like a medium layup.

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« **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2016, 07:02:03 PM »

My boat is light and was ran as a river boat before I got it. Lots of stress cracks and a broken bulkhead that all had to be fixed. Light boats are for good water and looking pretty at the sand bar. Lol

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« **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2016, 09:23:37 PM »

Light lay ups are no good for river boats

« **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2016, 11:09:53 PM »

Quote from: MillerKiller510 on August 18, 2016, 09:23:37 PM

Light lay ups are no good for river boats

They can be ok, watch the water and where you drive them. My 18 is lighter than that and I've owned it for two years with minimal to no structural repairs.

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« **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2016, 11:15:05 PM »

If you really know how to drive a boat, and know when to go out and come in. Position the boat over wakes, ect the boat will have more abuse on the road to and from the river or lake than what you will put it through, but at the same time if you are "how fast can I go all the time" your probably gonna blow it apart.

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« **Reply #8 on:** August 19, 2016, 05:01:02 AM »

For me, they're not all that enjoyable.

My last tunnel was a light layup. Could barely rest a beer on the deck and you could feel the ripples on your feet through the floor.

Any wakes and I was bobbing & weaving all over the river to avoid them. I repaired a few stress cracks that happened where a medium layup would've had no issues.

They're a lot of fun but it gets old real quick after you've owned one. It's like using a bagged and bodied vehicle as your daily driver lol.

Just my .02

« **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2016, 10:56:21 AM »

I have the same boat as you do. Wilders are very light. Do not even THINK of walking or having a woman have her picture taken on the deck of your boat. With that said, the boat is a 1985 and has been a family river boat ALL of its life. It has stress cracks in it. Most of them are in the bow from the bulk head not being installed correctly. Currently there is no bulkhead and no support(which needs to be addressed) when it is fired up the dash rocks side to side. I would not recommend putting her in at Parker in the middle of the day or havasu either. If you were to you need to be careful and stay off the heavy foot. Chop is not you friend.

« **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2016, 04:28:46 PM »

Quote from: 427 wilder on August 20, 2016, 10:56:21 AM

I have the same boat as you do. Wilders are very light. Do not even THINK of walking or having a woman have her picture taken on the deck of your boat. With that said, the boat is a 1985 and has been a family river boat ALL of its life. It has stress cracks in it. Most of them are in the bow from the bulk head not being installed correctly. Currently there is no bulkhead and no support(which needs to be addressed) when it is fired up the dash rocks side to side. I would not recommend putting her in at Parker in the middle of the day or havasu either. If you were to you need to be careful and stay off the heavy foot. Chop is not you friend.

yeah i stress to who ever is around my boat to stay off the bow and even transom. Kinda annoying sometimes. I don't think I woukd ever take it on a lake like Havasu. . It's has tons of bracing under the bow and a bullhead. Yeah I usually stay light footed in heavy traffic areas. Thanks it is a fun boat and currently my family boat. Ill get my station wagon one day

« **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2016, 08:52:02 AM »

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what I was hinting too earlier is that a lot of us with medium lay up boats think it's a light layup until we encounter one that really is a light lay up. I doubt you could run a real light layup with no bulkhead as mentioned above, it would be all over the place and probably come apart. And "tons of bracing" doesn't sound like a light layup. Put it this way, a real light layup I doubt you could set a BBC iron head on the deck without going through it. And with no bulkhead the whole deck pulls up and down, a lot, easily. True light layups were dedicated race hulls, and not very common. A medium layup boat can have 1" wide stringers, fairly thin sides and deck, and some flex. That said, if you truly truly have a light layup, I agree with what Dennis said. Also there's a lot of hearsay on how much certain hulls weigh, if you haven't weighed it or verified that it was actually weighed in at a certain amount, then it's just a guess lol

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« **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2016, 10:30:45 AM »

Quote from: BCouey on August 21, 2016, 08:52:02 AM

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what I was hinting too earlier is that a lot of us with medium lay up boats think it's a light layup until we encounter one that really is a light lay up. I doubt you could run a real light layup with no bulkhead as mentioned above, it would be all over the place and probably come apart. And "tons of bracing" doesn't sound like a light layup. Put it this way, a real light layup I doubt you could set a BBC iron head on the deck without going through it. And with no bulkhead the whole deck pulls up and down, a lot, easily. True light layups were dedicated race hulls, and not very common. A medium layup boat can have 1" wide stringers, fairly thin sides and deck, and some flex. That said, if you truly truly have a light layup, I agree with what Dennis said. Also there's a lot of hearsay on how much certain hulls weigh, if you haven't weighed it or verified that it was actually weighed in at a certain amount, then it's just a guess lol

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my deck flexes with a slight touch of the finger the sides flex with a touch of the palm. And the bracing under my deck is machined aluminum that goes from the bottom stringers to a top set of "stringers" (that what they look like to me) glassed in under the deck. There is three sets of these aluminum brace rods there is also one set that goes diagonal to form an X shape. ) that what I meant , for my bracing which is a lot to me considering the room I have underneath the deck. I know its lite enough my 7 year old son can pick up the tounge and hitch it to truck

« **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2016, 08:25:05 PM »

Quote from: SomeThingWilder on August 21, 2016, 10:30:45 AM

my deck flexes with a slight touch of the finger the sides flex with a touch of the palm. And the bracing under my deck is machined aluminum that goes from the bottom stringers to a top set of "stringers" (that what they look like to me) glassed in under the deck. There is three sets of these aluminum brace rods there is also one set that goes diagonal to form an X shape. ) that what I meant , for my bracing which is a lot to me considering the room I have underneath the deck. I know its lite enough my 7 year old son can pick up the tounge and hitch it to truck

the wilder in our shop has the same aluminum bracing as yours the deck is lite but no where as lite as the cp tunnel we have that thing is supposed to be in under 300 LB

« **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2016, 09:04:31 PM »

Quote from: msr on August 21, 2016, 08:25:05 PM

the wilder in our shop has the same aluminum bracing as yours the deck is lite but no where as lite as the cp tunnel we have that thing is supposed to be in under 300 LB

you think it's more of an medium lay up on the wilder or on the heavy side of a lite lay up. I wish I woukd of weighted mine before I did all the work to know for sure.

« **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2016, 09:16:09 PM »

Quote from: SomeThingWilder on August 21, 2016, 09:04:31 PM

you think it's more of an medium lay up on the wilder or on the heavy side of a lite lay up. I wish I woukd of weighted mine before I did all the work to know for sure.

I have been told that most of them are in the low 300 s lb from what I've seen they thought about what they were doing when they built them

« **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2016, 09:30:13 PM »

Quote from: msr on August 21, 2016, 09:16:09 PM

I have been told that most of them are in the low 300 s lb from what I've seen they thought about what they were doing when they built them

my fatherinlaw who pass the boat down to me told me it weighted in around 425lbs with fiberglass front buckets wooden bench seat and empty gas tanks and everything else minus engine

« **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2016, 09:40:46 PM »

Quote from: SomeThingWilder on August 21, 2016, 09:30:13 PM

my fatherinlaw who pass the boat down to me told me it weighted in around 425lbs with fiberglass front buckets wooden bench seat and empty gas tanks and everything else minus engine

Honestly, that's not all that light..... JMHO

« **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2016, 09:47:05 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on August 21, 2016, 09:40:46 PM

Honestly, that's not all that light..... JMHO

thats perfectly fine with me I just want a solid built hull that is "safe" for the most part

« **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2016, 06:50:31 AM »

Quote from: SomeThingWilder on August 21, 2016, 09:30:13 PM

my fatherinlaw who pass the boat down to me told me it weighted in around 425lbs with fiberglass front buckets wooden bench seat and empty gas tanks and everything else minus engine

Your saying complete boat less motor at 425lbs.

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« **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2016, 03:15:07 PM »

Quote from: 77_liberty on August 22, 2016, 06:50:31 AM

Your saying complete boat less motor at 425lbs.

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yup,, well at least that's what my father in law told me.

« **Reply #21 on:** August 23, 2016, 04:34:50 PM »

Yeah when you are driving like a complet jack ass.

« **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2016, 04:35:34 PM »

I ment to quote that killermiller guy.

« **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2016, 04:41:03 PM »

Quote from: jyeager on August 23, 2016, 04:34:50 PM

Yeah when you are driving like a complet jack ass.

« **Reply #24 on:** August 23, 2016, 04:51:02 PM »

Sorry it wasn't an anchor queen and be careful on who you call a jack ass when you don't even no me

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