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TJS Nordic

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Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« on: July 02, 2010, 07:53:59 PM »
Ok I read the porposing post that Jetboatunderground posted. I am having issues with this thing above 75MPH (78.9MPH to be exact). It scares me that I have to get out of it. I know this boat will do 85MPH if I stay in it but I can't it slaps so bad it wants to throw me out of the boat. It rides dead smooth at about 4000 RPMs but when I hit the go pedal it screams to 6k and I can only stay in it for about 3 seconds and that is it. By the way when I do this it sounds like a screaming cat. ;D

Here is my set up.
A violent BBC EFI 8-71 dynoed at 730HP at 6100 RPM. Nordic bubble deck, full stringer. Berk JG, stainless A impeller, no droop, 4 degree wedge up, manual new style place diverter (set in middle for my runs). Rideplate set at 2 degrees up. Jetboat Performance loader set right exactly at zero at the keel.

Please help, if I can just get this thing to settle and ride smooth I would not be so scared of it.
I want to keep the bow up and keep the boat aired out, I guess I want my cake and eat it too.
Thanks.
T.J.

propless

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010, 09:19:23 PM »
 TJ, be careful bro, one bad bounce at those speeds can send you swimming.  You are wearing a vest, right.

 Is it a porpoise (bow rising and falling) or more of a hop (whole boat up and down)

 Have you tried to change the diverter setting.  Believe it or not, my blue boat liked more up nozzle at WOT, a low setting would make it hop right out of the water, not really a porpoise.
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Welcome to the club of broken boats :o  Pay here$ bend over and move along.

GT Jets

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2010, 09:53:40 PM »
TJ...

Having driven white water boats for nearly a decade, let me tell you that what you are experiencing is very dangerous, so please be careful...

Now that that is out of the way....... ;D

I would try eliminating the wedge for now (you can  put two wedges 180* out from each other), giving you 0* down and "zero" the ride plate. This is your starting point. You should be able to get a little more Diverter out of it at this point. On a hull like yours, i would say optimum rooster height would be about 6' high( but may take more/less depending on the center of gravity.

The droop being down with a raised rideplate is more than likely causing a rocking chair effect and is very scary...

I have probably already seen pictures of it, but do you have an early or late Diverter design? the early ones cannot be used with a droop, the later ones have a flat ride surface on them that works very well with the droop...

Good luck and stay after it, it sounds like that thing is going to be stupid fast....be careful... :thumbup: :thumbup:

GT
  • Boat #1: 1992 Carrera 20.5 Elite (I/O bitches)
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

TJS Nordic

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2010, 10:20:13 PM »
GT,
I do not have a droop snoot. I do have the new style diverter with the flat bottom.

So should I try a droop snoot or a straight snoot.

What you are saying is set the ride plate to zero and remove the wedge.

At least I think this is what you are saying. Yes I am wearing a vest with a lanyard kill.
Thanks.
T.J.

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2010, 10:32:43 PM »
take out the intake grate. to long of ramps, you are probably over charging the pump, try a old fashion angle grate on it. how deep of shoe are you running?
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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2010, 06:39:25 AM »
take out the intake grate. to long of ramps, you are probably over charging the pump, try a old fashion angle grate on it. how deep of shoe are you running?

Jim, I was thinking this at first, but then read his thread on the loader. I am not convinced he has a loading issue. I would like to see some pressure readings first. Do you think he is making enough top end to run a plate loader? not a blocker?

It sounds to me like the angle of the dangle is off and the hull is trying to take flight.

TJ, get it working like it is before playing with a droop....Slow and steady wins the race, IMHO I think a droop will throw in a whole new set of problems until this is figured out first, if she hops at 75, what do you think it will do at 85?  :o

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 06:50:43 PM »
The biggest problem with the late 70's Nordics are usually the bottom. Orville popped the boats out of the mold to soon and most of them have bad hooks in them. I just blue printed one this last winter. No matter what I did the boat would just porpose. At one point I put the ride plate 2 degrees below the keel, The boat rode awesome until about 70 then it would just slap violently like what your describing. It was fukin scary, but after we straightened out the bottom is rides smooth as glass. I dont know if you have ever looked at the bottom of your boat but it might be part of your problem. I one we did was hooked on one side and a huge rocker on the other. We build the bottom of the boat up an inch on one side.
Matt
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My girlfriend and my boat are the same,they both suck and spit.

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TJS Nordic

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 07:42:14 PM »
The biggest problem with the late 70's Nordics are usually the bottom. Orville popped the boats out of the mold to soon and most of them have bad hooks in them. I just blue printed one this last winter. No matter what I did the boat would just porpose. At one point I put the ride plate 2 degrees below the keel, The boat rode awesome until about 70 then it would just slap violently like what your describing. It was fukin scary, but after we straightened out the bottom is rides smooth as glass. I dont know if you have ever looked at the bottom of your boat but it might be part of your problem. I one we did was hooked on one side and a huge rocker on the other. We build the bottom of the boat up an inch on one side.
Matt
Fred, Do you have any pics or links. Was this done at a business or in your garage. If I have to do this I will sell this hull and get a 21 Daytona or 21 Cheyenne. Thanks for the info. It always was in the back of my mind that there is hook in this thing.
T.J.

jet boat performance

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 08:51:12 AM »
TJ heres an extreme "hook" example that were dealing with right now on a Miller to give you an idea
« Last Edit: July 04, 2010, 08:53:36 AM by jet boat performance »
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TJS Nordic

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 08:49:47 PM »
TJ heres an extreme "hook" example that were dealing with right now on a Miller to give you an idea


Tom,
 That looks like a 5/16" drill bit.

Can I check mine without flipping the boat with a straight edge. As Fred stated from the Nordic he was working on mine looks to have a hook on the starbord side and rocker on the port side but I need to get under there.
T.J.

jet boat performance

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Re: Slapping at high speeds above 75MPH
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2010, 10:31:08 AM »
TJ its actually a 3/8 drill , its some of the worst (and longest ) we've seen its mostly surrounding the areas that the outer "shorty bunks" set on (worse on right than left) , a few have speculated the boat was maybe "green"  when set on the trailer Tom
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