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motormonkey

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c and d impellars
« on: January 03, 2008, 03:04:26 PM »
Hi everyone.  Who has used c or d cut impellars before and what was the launch and top end like. thanks
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 03:16:33 PM »
in which jet brand?
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 04:03:08 PM »
berkley housing.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 04:20:14 PM »
What are you looking to do? Boat type, etc. etc?
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 05:03:09 PM »
What are you looking to do? Boat type, etc. etc?
What make of motor and size ?

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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 06:38:41 PM »
You must be plannin on some insane r's. I was told my old panther was like a c cut and at 5900 r's I was 60 mph.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 07:12:21 PM »
You must be plannin on some insane r's. I was told my old panther was like a c cut and at 5900 r's I was 60 mph.
those R"S seem's kind of high.

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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 10:13:25 AM »
Does anyone on here even have a "c" or "d" cut. As far as my r's to mph with a panther which I was told is like a c cut. I think Jrork said his was something like 67 at the same r's.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 11:47:45 AM »
Hi guys, Not looking for a setup persay but data. Like " You have run a bc cut and tried c cut or d cut" kind of comparisons and data. Also what changes in loading did you see. thanks.
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Jetaholic

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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2008, 12:11:09 PM »
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2008, 06:11:01 PM »
Jetaholic how else would you state it? r's to mph. BTW what cut are you runnin? I'll bet it's not a c or a d. ^-^
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2008, 06:35:58 PM »
Jetaholic how else would you state it? r's to mph. BTW what cut are you runnin? I'll bet it's not a c or a d. ^-^

Actually I run an A for more thrust at lower RPM and better gas mileage. ;D ;D

Just kidding...I am running an A.

My thing is the whole RPM/MPH ratio that doesn't exist with jet boats. I do understand that under a certain condition a jet boat will run at X mph at x RPM. However, due to changes in the weight of the boat and trim setting this does not always apply. This is why I try to stay away from the RPM/MPH relationship with jet boats and try to get others to do the same.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2008, 04:57:09 PM »
Actually I run an A for more thrust at lower RPM and better gas mileage. ;D ;D

Just kidding...I am running an A.

My thing is the whole RPM/MPH ratio that doesn't exist with jet boats. I do understand that under a certain condition a jet boat will run at X mph at x RPM. However, due to changes in the weight of the boat and trim setting this does not always apply. This is why I try to stay away from the RPM/MPH relationship with jet boats and try to get others to do the same.

The HP/RPM/MPH seems to be the presiding rule over impeller choice etc... What do you see as a better alternative?
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2008, 05:21:45 PM »
... This is why I try to stay away from the RPM/MPH relationship with jet boats and try to get others to do the same.

Sounds like the beginning of a cult.  :D
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2008, 05:23:28 PM »
Alot of Drag jets run impellers smaller like that, but there aren't too many drag jet guys here :-\
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2008, 07:07:12 PM »
im not new to this site but new name old was fast ass ford  i run a small block ford 440 turning a massaged A  at 6800 and running 102  the harder u can turn the impeller the faster it will go it takes alot of hp to doit  not torque the torque comes with the power  its a berkley split bowl with snoot and 2 % wedge and a ss loader and for the bottom a pre loader and bleed valve and alot of NOS if u run a smaller impeller its becouse u dont make the hp to get the speed  the drag guys run alot of As and AAs just my input
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2008, 07:33:56 PM »
I'm no pro but I'd think  blower motor or stock camed, aa or a.  An n/a motor  with a semi nasty to nasty cam b 'ish. I'd say my 02 but it's probably more like .01 O0
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2008, 07:37:37 PM »
single DOM 1350 BG running 14to1 dont need no pu@#%$y blower
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2008, 08:48:42 PM »
single DOM 1350 BG running 14to1 dont need no pu@#%$y blower

Them be some racing words son
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM »
I do. (need a blower) :'(
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2008, 09:13:43 PM »
not torque the torque comes with the power 

Actually, power comes with the torque.

Torque is a force applied to a rotating object. Horsepower is a measurement of this force applied over time (RPMs) and is expressed as:

(Torque x RPM)/5252 = Horsepower

You build an engine for torque, not horsepower. Torque governs everything from how fast/slow your hp drops off (the more steady the torque curve, the slower the hp dropoff) to how much hp you have at what RPM. Horsepower is a calculation derived from torque...torque is the source of horsepower. The speed (RPM) the shaft spins at is horsepower...how hard the shaft spins at a given speed is torque.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2008, 09:38:19 PM »
Here is a very interesting read that I got from one of my books on big block Chevy's. It was originally written by Ed Staffel.

Torque is an expression of physical force acting on a lever over time and distance. Horsepower is not a force, it is a method of measurement that is arrived at by comparing the force of torque and in our case, its relationship to the RPMs an engine turns. The classic formula for measuring torque and RPM and then expressing this measurement as horsepower is HP = (Torque x RPM) / 5252. The number 5252 is a constant in the formula that relates to time and distance and so horsepower and torque measurements will always be equal at 5252 RPMs. Look at the plot curves on a dyno sheet and the two plot lines showing horsepower and torque will always cross each other at 5252 RPM and be equal at that point. When an engine is on the dyno, the dyno actually determines how much torque is being made and then a calculation is done to determine horsepower at that given RPM.

It happens that when an engine reaches its peak torque and then starts to fall off to a lower torque figure, horsepower can continue to climb upwards because the RPMs can continue to go up. On a motor this multiplying effect of the RPMs can still act positively on the horsepower side of the equation depending on how quickly or the rate at which the torque curve falls lower after peak torque.

So what, you say? You already know all of this. My point is when you build the motor, what you are trying most to attain is torque and large amounts of torque over the broadest, flattest range you can achieve in your circumstances. If you can do this, horsepower will take care of itself. Remember that most motors do not spend all of their time at peak torque or peak horsepower. It is possible to keep a motor close to peak power through the proper selection of transmission and rear gear ratios or if you have a boat. At the low end and middle of the engine's operating RPM range, keeping cylinder pressures as high as possible will accelerate the vehicle quickly. At the high end of the engine's operating range if you can keep the torque from dropping off too quickly after torque peak and help the engine to hang on longer in terms of torque production, horsepower will continue to climb even though torque is declining. This is generally due to better breathing heads, valve sizes, induction systems and longer duration camshafts that operate well at higher RPMs.

Let me give you an example. We have two engines and at peak torque they are both making 600ft lbs at 4500 RPM. At this point both motors are putting out 514 horsepower. As the RPMs continue to climb and torque begins to fall lower, we find that at 5500 RPM motor "A" is now putting out 580ft lbs and is making 607 horsepower. The other "B" has dropped lower and is making 520ft lbs, which means at 5500 RPM it is making 544 horsepower.

We then take both motors to 6500 RPM. Torque is still falling off and motor "A" is now making 540ft lbs which at 6500 RPM comes out to 668 horsepower. Motor "B" has fallen to 475ft lbs and is making 588 hp. At 7500 RPM torque has fallen further still. The "A" engine is making 480ft lbs and 685 horsepower. "B" is down to 400ft lbs, and horsepower has fallen to 571 horsepower and is headed down, not up.

                                       Motor "A"                   Motor "B"
RPM                                Torque/HP                  Torque/HP
4500                                600    514                   600    514
5500                                580    607                   520    544
6500                                540    668                   475    588
7500                                480    685                   400    571

At 7500 RPMs motor "A" is making 114 more horsepower than motor "B", but it didn't do this because of horsepower. Motor "A" did this because the torque curve dropped off at a slower rate than motor "B". At all RPM points above 4500 RPM motor "A" had more torque than motor "B".

It's TORQUE that you should be looking for when you build an engine. Horsepower is an interesting afterthought.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2008, 08:00:36 AM »
that is way to much to read this early but i know what your talking about  but i would  rather build a hi reving big block then a low reving one get on the rs quick and dont look back  alot of people will disagree but when it comes to boats HP is king torque will only get so far you need the HP to do 95% of the rest the harder u can spin that A the faster the boat will go the A is the best cut but it takes both TQ HP to do it  :)
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2008, 11:43:28 AM »
I think you just missed the head of the nail completely.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2008, 02:03:29 PM »
Actually, power comes with the torque.

Torque is a force applied to a rotating object. Horsepower is a measurement of this force applied over time (RPMs) and is expressed as:

(Torque x RPM)/5252 = Horsepower

You build an engine for torque, not horsepower. Torque governs everything from how fast/slow your hp drops off (the more steady the torque curve, the slower the hp dropoff) to how much hp you have at what RPM. Horsepower is a calculation derived from torque...torque is the source of horsepower. The speed (RPM) the shaft spins at is horsepower...how hard the shaft spins at a given speed is torque.

Where did yah copy and paste that from? Hmmm, could you tell me where they get the 5252 oh so knowledgeable
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