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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2008, 07:44:15 AM »
Same story with my ex. She knew more about shit than I did. In fact she built the engine in her dad's HTM that's doing 132MPH with single engine...
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2008, 10:24:29 PM »
try to build as much freakin' power as you can over 5,000 rpm and below 7,000rpm, then match your impeller cut near the peak hp/rpm level and your jet boat will haul ass.

forget the debate about torque/hp...forget about torque getting you to half track and hp taking over from there because that's nonsense. its a jet boat. you mash the pedal and the motor zings to wide open throttle and full power instantly.
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2008, 10:41:42 PM »
Same story with my ex. She knew more about shit than I did. In fact she built the engine in her dad's HTM that's doing 132MPH with single engine...


exactly why would you split with a women that could build motors like that? ::)
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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2008, 06:47:54 AM »
try to build as much freakin' power as you can over 5,000 rpm and below 7,000rpm, then match your impeller cut near the peak hp/rpm level and your jet boat will haul ass.

forget the debate about torque/hp...forget about torque getting you to half track and hp taking over from there because that's nonsense. its a jet boat. you mash the pedal and the motor zings to wide open throttle and full power instantly.

Very well put!
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2008, 07:18:54 AM »
Cyclone has his A game on.
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2008, 09:40:06 AM »
after much thought im was going to freshen up my ford for this season and continue to make  a dyno tested 825 hp at 7100 rpm and continue to run a 250 shot of nos to push my boat into triple digets but after reading these posts i found a 496 that makes around 350 hp at 4500  and about  400 of tq so that should push my boat just as fast if not fast becouse it makes its power down low thanks u guys saved alot of money  ;)
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2008, 10:03:10 AM »
haha.
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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2008, 10:05:23 AM »
thought u would like that  thats whats cool all the different op  good sh t  now if that were only true i would be money ahead  :P
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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2008, 05:51:31 PM »
Gee I wish I would have joined this thread earlier - I could have cleared it up by saying that the torque measurement tells how much a weight can be moved (400 foot pounds - or how much effort it takes to lift 400 pounds one foot) and horsepower (how long it takes to lift that 400 lbs one foot in the air).

(Torque x Engine speed) / 5,252 = Horsepower

5252 is the result of many formulas, including rpm's to rps, foot pound to pound feet, etc - basically take all of those conversions, and you get 5252. Because of this, the torque and hosepower lines will cross at these two points. If someone really wants me to post the real formula - I suggest you do a google search, I'm sure something will come up.

All engines make torque, all engines make horsepower.

The faster you spin an engine, with everything else equaled, the more HP it makes because the work is happening faster.

What we call a torque engine is just some term humans use to catagorize things. If the engine makes max power below 5252, the printed out dyno curve is going to make the torque curve higher than the HP curve - and humans will say it is a torque engine. Conversely if the max HP happens above the 5252 line, the HP number will look bigger - hence a HP engine.

You can run the same 1/4 mile number with a "torque" engine as with a "horsepower" engine (assuming you could make the raw average numbers the same). 
This is why we can have cummins diesels in 4x4 trucks running low 10's in the quarter mile with only 300 peek HP. 

The torque number is mostly dictated by the cubic inches, compression, and fuel - without too much you can do to change it (other than turning up the boost or adding nitrous to make the engine seem larger) - hence the reason why spinning it faster is really the only thing to do. You can't make more torque than the ci allows without boost, but you can spin it faster to make more horsepower.


Oh well, I thought this would be quick...
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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2008, 07:33:54 PM »
Awesome post speedymopars, cleared a lot of things up for me. Thanks.
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« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2008, 10:13:55 PM »
Could you be more specific?   j/k

Well put.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2008, 08:09:54 AM »
Gee I wish I would have joined this thread earlier - I could have cleared it up by saying that the torque measurement tells how much a weight can be moved (400 foot pounds - or how much effort it takes to lift 400 pounds one foot) and horsepower (how long it takes to lift that 400 lbs one foot in the air).




This is also why you have torque wrenches and not horsepower wrenches :)
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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2008, 11:03:15 AM »
OK - here is what I did to illistrate my point.

Same engine, heads, carb CFM, small tube headers. 

I "put" a small hyd cam with a dual plane in one of the engines, while I put a solid roller with a tunnel ram in the other.

hyd is .425 lift, 206 duration while the roller is .606 lift with 246 duration. I didn't go too radical because then you need to worry about changing exhaust, etc. and I'm trying to keep it the same.


Assuming the stuff you need to change for the roller, $300 cam, $300 lifters, $240 pushrods, $300 roller rockers, $500 in valvesprings, keepers, retainers - well I'm into it for $1700 just in the valvetrain.

Look at the graph - I only gained ~30 ft/lbs of torque for all that effort - and I know I could get that 30 ft lbs by optimizing the combo without changing the cam.
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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2008, 11:11:11 AM »
Now I put in an even bigger 292 duration .690 lift cam vs the hyd. Now I changed the exhaust and optimized the combo somewhat. I have to run all of the good hardware, better rods, pistons, studs, etc etc - added lots of $$ to the engine. I have the same raw torque number, but at a different RPM.

Look at the torque (green line vs green line).

What is changing? The RPM it is happening at, not the number itself.

If you were to look at the torque number only, you wouldn'y pay the money to modify your engine, that's for sure.

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Re: c and d impellars
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2008, 11:29:35 AM »
Now use that and say, OK, if I'm pumping out 600 ft lbs of torque at 2000-3000 RPM, but my HP peeks out at 4000 RPM, then you want the impeller that takes the most force down low, not one that allows the engine to spin 5000 RPM. Max water flow at the lowest RPM that matches.  AA, A2-4, etc.

Now if you are running that larger cam, you need to take advantage of the higher rpm power, so you need to let the impeller "slip" to take advantage of that higher RPM - otherwise because of the lower power output at the lower RPM's - you may never get there.
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« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2008, 11:45:47 AM »
I knew this guy was smart just cuz he likes Mopars.  Welcome Professor Speedy  ;D
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« Reply #66 on: February 29, 2008, 12:02:34 AM »
heh heh :)

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« Reply #67 on: February 29, 2008, 01:55:47 AM »
Great explanition Speedy !!!   Thanks for shareing.  ;D ;D
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