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New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« on: August 16, 2010, 07:06:37 PM »
Hey I'm a new guy to the forum hope my story isn't redundant.  Well I bought a 1975 California Boats Inc 18 foot with a 455 and a WJ Jacuzzi and took her out last weekend for the 1st time.  Problem:  After about 20 minutes of good run time I started playing around with my brother in his 4.3 stern drive and on the top end he was able to hang with me easily to a top speed of about 50mph and I was running up to about 5000 rpm for about 20 seconds (not being to hard on her) and I backed off.  Not real cool.  After the RPM's down to 3500 for another mile or so I started screwing around with the place diverter and held it at about 4500 rpm for another 30 seconds and lowered it down to 3500 to 4000 and I noticed the temp was slightly high than normal like 180 (normally it was around 150) I looked back at the engine and there was steam comming from both sides of the block and the temp was up to about 190 so I backed off to an idle and checked the motor and water was comming out of the holes next to the water inlets on the headers so I shut it down, check the oil and all looked good the temp was high than it had been around 200 to 210.  I fired it up and no water was comming out of the headers but no water was comming out of the return either just steam and then after some hissing and burping the water started flowing and the temp went back to normal.  So I took it easy for 20 minutes and then started speeding up the RPM's and playing with the place diverter and everthing seemed to be fine.  Later in the day after running her hard (up to 5000 rpms in short durations) for a few minutes on the way to get gas all was well then 1 or 2 minutes later the steam stared again but the temp was good after slowing down the steam didn't stop but the return had water still flowing I shut it down again and after 30 seconds fired it back up and it ran fine and no steam.  It happened again later on the way home after a steady 20 minute 3500 rpm run with no hot rodding.  Once again shut it off for a minute and she was fine till we got to the dock.
So two questions:
1.  Is 50 MPH at 5000 rpm normal (I do have a too rich problem that might be working against me, black smoke at wide open.)
2.  Why would water come out of the weep holes of the headers in certain circumstances and not be milking up the oil and fix itself when I shut it down and let it drain out?  The motor runs great and idles fine and for the most part has a constant temp.  I have been reading articles on too much water pressure going to the headers but the ones I'm reading about are high horsepower motors that are racing mine has been rebuilt but is pretty much stock except for the dual edelbrock 4 barrels, maybe 370 horsepower?  Could I be getting to much water to the headers and not enough to the block because of a blockage?  Air in the system?  Bad Impeller?  Any ideas?  Oh yeah the faucet valves are wide open at this point.     
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GeneralLee

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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 07:22:32 PM »
1: 5K RPM on an Olds (I'm assuming stock 455 Oldsmobile) is wwwaaayyy tooo high. Olds don't like high RPM unless you build the living crap out of them (that's from my personal expirience with 455 Olds'). 50MPH at 5K RPM sounds a bit too slow. Might be your pump on its last leg or your impeller is shot again this is from my perosnal expirience. When my pump was pretty much shot, I started losing MPH, my take off sucked and my rooster was getting smaller and smaller hehehe.

2: Your weepholes are letting out all access water I'm assuming. If you have a valve on your pump close it down a bit. You shouldn't get any misst coming out of your headers at idle. Misst should be coming out of the headers between 2200 and 2500 RPM. Now if your pump is fed like previously mentioned, which was in my case, all the little bits and pieces from your pump could be clogging your water inlet line which will cause the motor to run hot at some time and then cool at other times (shutting the nginen off and turning it back on). Id take a good look at your pump. If its not the pump install a water pressure gauge on your block. Modello likes to see between 10psi and 12 psi on the 455 Olds. I ran mine no more then 15 PsI. No milkshake no bs.

Good luck, let us know how you make out.
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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 08:58:16 PM »
Reading down the middle , my guess is developing Jet pump issues based on the overheating and performance , I'll ponder this some more and try to elaborate Tom
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IRRebel

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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 09:06:02 PM »
The overheating got me to thinking. Kinda with Tom, but is there any sort of sand filter? Block full of dirt, etc is what I'm leaning towards on the temp issue. Performance? I have no idea what a WJ is supposed to do in GOOD shape anyways.......

Ray
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1975 Cali

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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 01:35:12 PM »
Thanks Guys for the thoughts, and special thanks to "The Man" Tom over a Jet Boat Performance.  Surveys say you should have a wear ring.....  Got foiled by not knowing what to look for when I bought.  No wear ring and a jacked impeller.  Going to replace both and GPS the speed.  In retrospect I'm kind of happy to know I'm goining to be faster and have a longer tail by the end of the week.  No more stock family boats passing me anymore.  Thanks again!

-Dan 
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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 08:06:47 PM »
Imagine how stoked you'll be when you drive it after repair , honestly don't see how it was even "getting out of its own way" (missing wear ring and broke d*ck impeller ) your a good student youngin' you follow directions well !  ;) Tom
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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 10:19:31 PM »
GPS'd the boat this weekend 4600 rpm at 54 mph I probably could have got a couple more mph by messing with the place diverter.  Lots more response, no steam and over heating issues.  I had the water intake valve wide open previously now it is 3/4 turn.  So whats the trick to get over 65?  I hear there is a calculation for rpm/impeller/and horsepower (B impeller).  I find the 455 likes to leak oil at over 4000 rpm runs.  Need new valve cover gaskets...  I here the oil likes to pool on the top of the heads on these motors.  So can the pump push enough to get up to 65 at 4600 rpm.  Give it to me straight.  Next year I may need to upgrade.
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TrailerHo

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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 08:17:31 PM »
Give it to me straight.  Next year I may need to upgrade.

Upgrade to a Chevy.. Just my .02.
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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 08:42:39 PM »
WOW little harsh don't you think. stay with the rocket oil sucks but can be delt with someone will get you the direction you need the go.  ;D ;D


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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 09:34:01 PM »
Upgrade to a Chevy.. Just my .02.


I normally hear this kind of talk when one gets spanked by an Olds or one has a blowed up Chevy... :sly:

Nothing wrong with a well prepped Oldsmobile in my personal opinion, if it runs and your happy with it, get the tune right and enjoy it.  ;)

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

IRRebel

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Re: New Jet boat owner, have questions......
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 06:43:11 PM »

I normally hear this kind of talk when one gets spanked by an Olds or one has a blowed up Chevy... :sly:

Nothing wrong with a well prepped Oldsmobile in my personal opinion, if it runs and your happy with it, get the tune right and enjoy it.  ;)

GT

I heard the same crap when I towed N8 in once, and handed Jay his A$$ with Moo before that.

Glenn's right. If it runs, and runs hard particularly, you're light years ahead of most of us idiots with Chebbie's AND Ferds. especially this year.....TRUST ME ON THIS!!!

The list of boats we (cumulatively) broke early this season needs to be sorted either chronologically or alphabetically to fit on your screen, it's THAT LONG! And not an Olds in the group....... Have at it Glasscutter, I know you're just waitin'..........

My Olds powered lil Charger, Flytime put a LOT of effort into, my other buds did, I put a lil into it, but it's been running and takin the boys fishing all summer long!

Ray
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