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Hawaiian22

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Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« on: April 12, 2012, 01:53:45 PM »
Wondering what you guys think.. Is the wear on this shaft okay, or should it be replaced. The bowl as well. Im looking at buying a shaft end repair as I mentioned a while ago. There is also a repair kit for "frozen" bowls.. Not sure what that means. Both require machine work, which I have access to. Just looking for some input before I buy something I dont need, or wont fix an actual problem.
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Hawaiian22

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 02:08:52 PM »
More..
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Hawaiian22

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 02:14:20 PM »
... Pics are too big, got to take shaft pics again.
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Hawaiian22

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 02:22:17 PM »
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Hawaiian22

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 02:23:32 PM »
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gregb

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 03:12:34 PM »
Doesn't look bad to me in the pics, you can always take a micrometer to it and measure if there is any significant difference between the area where the bearing/seals are and the part of the shaft adjacent to those areas.  Was it leaking?  The area where the bowl seal goes looks like it might be worn a touch but if it's not leaking then I would just go with a new seal and call it a day.   As far as frozen bowls that probably refers to something that had water in it, froze, and cracked.  I think they make a greasable insert/sleeve that goes into a bowl where the bearings go, after the bowl is machined of course.  I'd replace the bowl bearings since you have it out. 
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Hawaiian22

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 03:54:17 PM »
The bowl bearings were paper thin, and just wobbled in the bowl, and on the end of the shaft.. The bowl bearings are more like a sleeve or collar.. right.? My boat took on a ton of water, only while running. I assumed it was leaking through the packing, but could not get the boat started after noticing.
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gregb

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 05:36:46 PM »
Yes, they are like a sleeve, I believe the proper term is cutlass bearing.  They aren't expensive or hard to get, I'd just give Tom at Jetboat Performance a call, don't know where you are but that's where I buy my stuff.  How were the packing seals?  That would be something else I'd replace.  If  they were hard as a rock that would definitely cause a leak, although there are other areas, around the transom seal, how are the hoses, etc. 
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MPKardell

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Re: Shaft and bowl.. wear..?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 09:28:41 AM »
Wondering what you guys think.. Is the wear on this shaft okay, or should it be replaced. The bowl as well. Im looking at buying a shaft end repair as I mentioned a while ago. There is also a repair kit for "frozen" bowls.. Not sure what that means. Both require machine work, which I have access to. Just looking for some input before I buy something I dont need, or wont fix an actual problem.

Your shaft actually looks really good in the pics.  I just rebuilt my American Turbine pump.  The shaft mic'd at 1.120" at the minimum.  I fretted about replacing it, then contacted AT.  They said to run it.  So I polished it and put it back together.  Berk pumps use the same bearings.

Your shaft looks almost new where the bearings run.  I can't even see any grooves.  I think the shafts measure 1.123" when new.  And the bearings are called "DU" bearings.  Unfortunately, no one makes a slightly under-sized bearing to allow us to salvage worn (as in worse-than-mine) shafts.

Matt
  • Boat #1: 1991 Dana 22' day cruiser
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